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[Babelas]

You mean like how past DA games murder knife people in armor also

You proved my point.

[Babelas]

You proved my point.

First time I have ever quoted myself. In other words... if you continued to play the game after that illogical event occurred then why the hell is it such a big deal if characters that maybe could have died by illogical means come back?

[Sable Rhapsody]

The lyrium dragon wasn't why he could do that since he did it back in DA2

 

Oh butts.  Forgot about that.  Thank you for pointing it out  Maybe the lyrium dragon just improves the magister respawn timer? 

 

The Lyrium Dragon was rather a weak point he built for himself, the Architect was not as proud or arrogant as Cory, and he actually tried to help Urthemiel, although, he screwed it.

 

I the Architect.  I saved him because I had a sneaking suspicion that he was more than he seemed, and if he doesn't turn up in a future DA game, I will be a sad panda.

[AresKeith]

First time I have ever quoted myself. In other words... if you continued to play the game after that illogical event occurred then why the hell is it such a big deal if characters that maybe could have died by illogical means come back?

 

Because one obviously died while the other didn't

 

It's not like they did Abelas like they did Calpernia and Morrigan

[Babelas]

Because one obviously died while the other didn't

 

It's not like they did Abelas like they did Calpernia and Morrigan

Oh because jumping off a cliff into a raging Niagra waterfall automatically equals survival. Yes, that's definitely more believable than getting stabbed through plate armour. 

[daveliam]

It is more believable that the person who we never saw die is alive when compared to the person who we saw killed on screen and then heard characters talk about how he was dead.  So, yes, you are correct that it is definitely more believable that Calpernia, who we never saw die, is alive than Abelas, who was killed and confirmed dead in game.

[AresKeith]

Oh butts.  Forgot about that.  Thank you for pointing it out  Maybe the lyrium dragon just improves the magister respawn timer?  .

 

The Dragon was honestly just something Cory did out of pride and for some reason connected it to him

[AresKeith]

Oh because jumping off a cliff into a raging Niagra waterfall automatically equals survival. Yes, that's definitely more believable than getting stabbed through plate armour. 

 

Especially when the devs kept talking about how she was their favorite and wants to do more with her

[myahele]

With Spirits and magic, anyone can return in this game. 

[Babelas]

With Spirits and magic, anyone can return in this game. 

And that is really the most decisive point of  all no matter how much people would like to dismiss it because they dislike a character. 

[Andromelek]

I the Architect.  I saved him because I had a sneaking suspicion that he was more than he seemed, and if he doesn't turn up in a future DA game, I will be a sad panda.

Tell me, I wanted to see how Corypheus and the Architect would react when meeting each other, now that ship has sailed.

Still, I think they've confirmed DA5 for the moment, so we yet have two more chances to meet him.

[AresKeith]

And that is really the most decisive point of  all no matter how much people would like to dismiss it because they dislike a character. 

 

Jumping to the conclusion that one must hate the character because they don't want them to be a future companion again

[Sable Rhapsody]

Tell me, I wanted to see how Corypheus and the Architect would react when meeting each other, now that ship has sailed.

Still, I think they've confirmed DA5 for the moment, so we yet have two more chances to meet him.

 

Architect: This business of breaching the City didn't work the last time we tried it, Sethius.

Corypheus: Not to worry.  This time, I have a dragon.  And a glowing ball.

Architect: *dignified facepalm*

[Andromelek]

People may have their reasons to keep characters dead, I agree to keep someone dead as long as it has been properly exploited (Before anyone jumps on me I don't mean carta guy #4 has to live because he may have a background story) I mean characters with actual potential to be more that were ripped out too fast, waste of potential is certainly one of the things I cannot stand, Rise of Legends' and The Imperfects' ghosts have haunted me for almost ten years, if I can do anything to prevent another cool character being dump like that, I'll take the chance.

[actionhero112]

I watched dragonball as a teenager, I'm used to constant resurrection and death.

 

If they really want to bring someone back, they will find a way. 

[Andromelek]

Architect: This business of breaching the City didn't work the last time we tried it, Sethius.
Corypheus: Not to worry.  This time, I have a dragon.  And a glowing ball.
Architect: *dignified facepalm*

LOL

Between the influence of Razikale on JoH and WoT2, it seems "The Augur" could still alive, maybe The Architect can meet her/him.

[Sable Rhapsody]

With Spirits and magic, anyone can return in this game. 

 

But not everyone should.

 

I love the cameos as much as anyone else.  They feel like a little friendly wave from the previous games.  But with the DA story getting more complicated and the VA and animation budgets, I'd prefer returning characters to still serve a story purpose, like Loghain or Alistair being the point of contact for the Wardens.  Sure, it could've been any Warden, and it defaults to Stroud.  But those two characters both have interesting perspectives on the Wardens, which have shifted over the last decade.  So it makes sense to bring them back for that piece of the story.

[Andromelek]

I watched dragonball as a teenager, I'm used to constant resurrection and death.

If they really want to bring someone back, they will find a way.

At least we can say that we aren't trying to revive the same couple of useless that don't know how to fight over and over again , also, the second time a character is killed it seems to be permanent.
And there's not been any kind of "beauty/tragic" death like Joker or Poison Ivy on Arkham Series, Cortana on Halo, Dom on Gears or Elizabeth on Bioshock, retconing one of those would be a crime.

[Jaderail]

Honestly. in a game where Leliana can become a lyrium ghost that looks and acts exactly like a normal person, I don't see it is a strange concept to see anyone who died come back. Not that *everyone* should, it's just plausible I guess, so long as spirits exist. 

 

Also, I don't remember Abelas being decisively pronounced dead, rather assumed dead. Nobody leaned down and checked his pulse or anything, it's very possible he was left to die but in the aftermath of Corypheus' attack on the temple, some of the other Sentinels could have helped him escape.

 

It wouldn't take a stretch of the imagination to believe Abelas was still alive in DA4, regardless if Morrigan killed him. We saw Morrigan get stabbed and fall into an Eluvian, I wasn't overly surprised to find she was still alive despite that happening. Stabbing doesn't always equal death. 

[AresKeith]

Stabbing doesn't always equal death. 

 

Stabbing doesn't but speaking last words while bleeding from the mouth usually does

[Aren]

If Calpernia's fate is ambiguous then Abelas fate is ambiguous as well. One single stab wound and he collapses.

It was in the back and evil Morrigan hit the backbone,but ya know it's hard to die when ou are of Mythal family

[Aren]

Attacking Morrigan not killing her

To be fair the Dlc doesn't make sense,since is the warden who push her through the mirror,also the eluvian is apparently still functional and the Warden decided to not take the opportunity to finish her , if this was the purpose,mmm i smell plot armor here?

With FLemeth is different her survival is well explained without forcing anything.

The samecan be for ABelas,i saw a light,that was maybe his soul,released from his body.

[Aren]

You're being obstinate if you can't see the differences in the scenes to think that one stabbing is equal to another. Morrigan's stabbing is very clearly not meant to be conclusive; it's framed and shot in such away that she can certainly come back from. Abelas's stabbing is meant to be more final. He has last words, his eyes close, he stops breathing, he falls to the ground, not into a magic portal out of sight where he could conceivably escape and recover. And several people stand around his corpse for several minutes talking about how he's dead.

 

 

I also noticed on how the eluvian of WH was still functional ready to be used by the warden to attack Morrigan again,and yet the warden out of the player control:

not only push Morrigan into the mirror instead to hold her away from it (which is absurd) 

but also decided to not use the eluvian to attack her again(which is more absurd).

The warden remain there to look the mirror like a moron after the attack and then leave, instead to go after her to attack her again,if the purpose was to finish her life ,then why leave? (The warden is expert on combat,the HoF know when an opponent is killed or not).

Morrigan did not possess the key to control the eluvians neither she had the strength to resist to another attack,she survived because some writer gave to her full plot armor, not for any reasonable other reason,her opponent was the HoF a character that basically wiped out legendary monsters, not a noob. 

The Warden wouldn't have failed to understand the severity of the injury (after his/her deep understanding of combats),so the HoF was aware that she wasn't finished and yet decided to let her go out of the player control?

Scenarios need to be believable,if Morrigan would had find a way to deactivate that mirror i wouldn't have any problem with her "survival",but this is not the case,no key no control over the eluvians (like Solas/Briala,Ishmael).

 

As i said the mirror of WH wasn't broken but on the contrary ready to be used in that moment ,it can be used by more than one person,  proved in the scenario in which the warden follow her,in this scenario she didn't do  anything,she didn't cast a spell to allow the warden to follow her,they simply crossed the mirror..

 

So now if someone would explain to me as for why her "survival" isn't contrived from a narrative point of view,maybe because i missed something of WH? i saw each scenarios,and in each of them the eluvian remain functional

[myahele]

Yeah ... Leliana being a spirit in disguise if you "killed" her in DAO made me lose any hope that death will be permanent in the DA series, especially if they're optional death and are very popular.

 

The person who you left in the Fade? *likely* to die. 

[Madrict]

Why can't Zevran come back? I love him.