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[ModernAcademic]

Why entering the Black City turns you into a God?

 

(About the question, consult Morrigan in Skyhold about Corypheus considering you a rival)

[TraiHarder]

Why entering the Black City turns you into a God?

 

(About the question, consult Morrigan in Skyhold about Corypheus considering you a rival)

 

Are you asking us why? Or telling us to talk to Morrigan lol.

 

 

An Samson Fanatic really never seen one before. Interesting

[Ieldra]

The Black City is the source of the Blight.

The Blight can be used to control a great number of people.

Infect everyone, and acquire control over the Blight like Corypheus, and you rule the world.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

The Black City is the source of the Blight.

The Blight can be used to control a great number of people.

Infect everyone, and acquire control over the Blight like Corypheus, and you rule the world.

I don't think we know what the Black City really is or what it does. Morrigan also suggests that the more likely outcome of Corypheus entering the Black City would be a lot of nasty side effects.

[TraiHarder]

I don't think we know what the Black City really is or what it does. Morrigan also suggests that the more likely outcome of Corypheus entering the Black City would be a lot of nasty side effects.

 

I definitely believe Cory when he says the City was already black when they got there. I believe it was the "heaven" Silas locked the other Elvan gods in which caused it to turn black.
 

[Beomer]

I don't think reaching the Black City turns a person into a God, at least not the way you think.

IMO it's more symbolic. It's supposed to be the seat of the Maker, the creator, so if anyone else manages to pull off a feat as difficult as managing to get their butt on the Maker's chair, it kind of symbolizes they've worthy of Godhood or at least being revered as a God.

I mean Cory as such isn't a pushover. He also attains something close to immortality which is eventually nullified through a big plot hole about his dragon. So what's the next step to declaring himself a God? He could shout at street corners in Tevinter....or he could try and do what he failed to do the last time and what lead to his downfall.

Of course there might be more to it. Maybe setting your bum on the cushion of the Maker's throne in the Black City grants you some special powers. But I think it's more symbolic than anything else. And that is if at a ll you even believe that the Black City was ever the Maker's seat and that Cory and his ilk haven't had it wrong all along.

 

Edit:

To make it even simpler, what changes when a man sits on a throne and becomes a king? He does not suddenly become super strong. He's given power by the people because he sits on that throne. If the people don't care about the throne he can sit there as long as he likes and he wouldn't be any more powerful.

In fact the reason Cory was stopped (IMO at least) wasn't because he wanted to sit on the Maker's throne. Had he done it quietly without disturbing anyone, say by ripping open the Veil, no one would've objected or even found out. The reason everyone wanted to stop him was because of one, all the demons running around and two, like Morrigan said, he might release something even worse if he got to the Black City.

[myahele]

I am of the opinion that there truly is something locked up within the Golden/Black City. And that the Taint either is a defence mechanism or is actually what is sealed within

 

When you look that the mural below, you see the faint silhouette of a city/building: 

 

In either case, mastering the Taint will should give you powers regardless.

[thats1evildude]

Why entering the Black City turns you into a God?

 

Hard question to answer, as we know very little about the Black City. Corypheus believed it would give him the power of a god, but for all we know, it could have unleashed something worse than darkspawn on Thedas.

[Gervaise]

I think his desire was largely symbolic, at least this time round.   He knows people now serve the Maker, so he wishes to prove to them once and for all that the Maker is not there, otherwise surely he would do something about Cory's assault.    Thus being the only "god" on the block he is convinced they should worship him.

 

First time round, it would seem that the Magisters were probably seeking immortality by trying to get there.   They viewed it not as the seat of the Maker but the place where the old gods resided.    They may even have been trying to get there to find out why the old gods had gone silent on them.   (The Chant claims the old gods encouraged them to assault the place but that's not how it comes across from the memory in the Fade).      As it happened, it would appear that their desire for immortality was actually fulfilled but not in the way they had anticipated. 

 

In Thedas it would seem that the term god implies something different to how we might think of it.    Each of the gods were have been told about (apart from the Maker) would seem to have been immensely powerful beings that had by one means or another achieved a sort of immorality (so when slain they don't stay dead permanently) and rule over the lesser inhabitants of their world as a result.     However, there is not actual god essence that gives them additional divine powers and so any sufficiently powerful being can aspire to godhood and be worshipped as such.      The origins of the gods would seem to be spirits that became more material in form  (like Cole).    Hakkon and probably the old Tevinter gods were spirits that had been called into the form of a dragon.    The evanuris were probably spirits that took on elven forms.   (Although this has not been confirmed yet).    Normally only one spirit can occupy the form at a time because I dare say they don't like to share.   However, if invited in by the host, then co-existence is possible - hence what happens with Flemeth and Kieran and then Solas and Mythal.   

 

The taint would appear to give the darkspawn Magisters and the archdemons the same sort of possibility for continued existence through their soul/spirit jumping to a similarly tainted body.   I have to assume the reason why this causes the destruction of the host when an archdemon jumps to a Grey Warden but not if Cory does, is that with the former they resist the jump, whereas Cory already controls their mind and so the passage is permitted.    Hence Flemeth declaring that a soul can never be forced on the unwilling.

[Mlady]

Solas said Corypheus discovered "effective immorality" so my guess? If you can conquer the Blight, you will gain the power of a God.

[Dai Grepher]

Why entering the Black City turns you into a God?

 

It doesn't.
 

[NRO TYN]

I am of the opinion that there truly is something locked up within the Golden/Black City. And that the Taint either is a defence mechanism or is actually what is sealed within

 

When you look that the mural below, you see the faint silhouette of a city/building: 

 

In either case, mastering the Taint will should give you powers regardless.

 

I never notices that!!

 

I wonder if the Dread Wolf really has some type of connection to the blight??

[Cha0sEff3ct]

It doesn't make you a god. He said when he entered the "Golden" City there was nothing there or the throne was empty. This time around Cory was going to claim the empty throne and rule over Thedas like a god.

[Serza]

Somewhat crazy theory imminent.

 

Maybe the Blight is one last "F*ck you!" from the Evanuris locked inside the Golden/Black City, and they've shown themselves as the Old Gods to the original Seven Magisters to lure them into unleashing the Blight on the Waking World? Chantry would still be somewhat correct, with the exception of "ELVES DID IT."

 

Which would probably, after a wide reveal, lead to burning down Alienages and killing Elves on sight. Damn, I think I hope I'm wrong.

[azarhal]

Hard question to answer, as we know very little about the Black City. Corypheus believed it would give him the power of a god, but for all we know, it could have unleashed something worse than darkspawn on Thedas.

 

Corypheus in DA2 said: "The light. We sought the golden light. You offered... the power of the gods themselves."

 

 

Seems to me that this "golden light" is the thing they sought, they didn't find it...they found the blight instead. Doesn't mean that "golden light" isn't still in the Black City though.

[LightningPoodle]

What I think the Black City is.

 

I think the Black City is a place built by Solas and his free Elves before the Veil was put in place. But, when they built it, it was Golden. The reason for this, I think, could be as a way to get the other Elven Gods to go up into that realm, in order to give Solas the opportunity to trap them. It would have been Golden because someone who thinks themselves a God would want nothing less, correct? It's gold, it's rich and worthy of putting your name on it. Now, when Solas built it, he told the others individually that there was a place for them to claim and it was up where the spirits dwelt and that they should go and take it. The Gods, always seeking more power would jump at the chance to claim an entire city made of gold. They all go up, they start bickering and fighting over who gets it. Whilst this is happening, Solas can put up the veil. I doubt it was an easy process. It likely required a lot of time putting in place, time he wouldn't have if even one of the Gods was likely to take notice.

 

Now, why has it become black? Simple. It's a mortal construct. Made of gold, (unlikely made entirely out of gold. Filled with light or something that gives it this heavenly appearance more likely.) it would need to remain connected with the mortal world in order to stay as this beacon of radiance. An example of what I mean by this. Take a light in your house. You flip the switch and the light turns on or off. Now, cut the wires between the switch and the bulb, and no matter what you do, that light bulb is not going to become bright. The circuit is broken. That's what I think happened to the Golden City. When the veil went up, it severed the connection. The city blacked out.

 

Now what is the blight? I think the blight is just some corrupted spirit. It's purpose was to watch over and protect, but when the veil went up, it could no longer do that. It's purpose became corrupt. It transformed into something that seeks out and latches on. The blight is incurable. Once you have it, that's it. When the Magisters broke into the Fade, that corruption, that spirit found a way to get back through to now fulfill it's purpose, which is no longer it's original intention. The first to become corrupted was the Magisters. They were the closest, but then it spread further until what it is now.

 

I don't think the blight was a weapon or something that was locked away in the Golden/Black City. I think it was a mistake. Something unintentional. And something Solas wants to fix.

 

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I don't know, I'm tired... 

[Serza]

TL;DR, your paws must hurt!

 

Also, tired = perfect to think up theories, my dear Mabari hound.

[LightningPoodle]

TL;DR, your paws must hurt!

 

Also, tired = perfect to think up theories, my dear Mabari hound.

 

Feck yeah it is! The more ludicrous the theory, the more likely it's to get some traction! 

[Mlady]

Corypheus in DA2 said: "The light. We sought the golden light. You offered... the power of the gods themselves."

 

 

Seems to me that this "golden light" is the thing they sought, they didn't find it...they found the blight instead. Doesn't mean that "golden light" isn't still in the Black City though.

 

Could that be the sun symbol?

[ModernAcademic]

I am of the opinion that there truly is something locked up within the Golden/Black City. And that the Taint either is a defence mechanism or is actually what is sealed within

 

When you look that the mural below, you see the faint silhouette of a city/building: 

 

In either case, mastering the Taint will should give you powers regardless.

This is amazing! I hadn't even noticed the drawing of a city in that pannel.

 

Thank you for sharing this!

[ModernAcademic]

Could that be the sun symbol?

 

Hm, I interpreted it as being perhaps the energy/magic emanating from the orb.

 

On the right side of the pannel, Solas (I suppose it's him) holds a shining sphere (the orb?) above his head, in a gesture that symbolizes the Veil being created, I believe.

[In Exile]

Why entering the Black City turns you into a God?

 

(About the question, consult Morrigan in Skyhold about Corypheus considering you a rival)

 

It doesn't. Corypheus is an idiot, and a lunatic. 

[ModernAcademic]

It doesn't. Corypheus is an idiot, and a lunatic. 

 

So... why does Morrigan suggest you can use the Anchor to enter the Black City if you wish to achieve Godhood, thus becoming his rival?

[Heimdall]

So... why does Morrigan suggest you can use the Anchor to enter the Black City if you wish to achieve Godhood, thus becoming his rival?

She's speculating if  he's right, she has no idea.

[Lady Artifice]

It doesn't. Corypheus is an idiot, and a lunatic. 

 

This. Of all the things that Bioware leaves vague and open to interpretation, the Black City might top of the list. Corypheus is likely no better authority on the matter than Mother Gisele, thanks to his being mad as a bag of cats. And at least she's capable to thoughtfully speculating on the question.