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[Killroy]

I would be cool with romances being cut in lieu of making the companions more integral to the story. If there were some kind of loyalty system in place that could lead to some companions betraying you and/or trying to take over command while others rally behind you that would be a cool system that I would gladly take over more meh romances.

[Helios969]

I don't think people play BioWare games for romances.  I think people play it for other reasons.  However, nearly every BioWare game has some sort of romance option in it.  It would be weird if BioWare does away with something they've been quite good at.

I have to say the disproportionate number of threads started regarding "romances" seems to indicate the contrary.  I quote romances because many of seem geared towards satisfying a particular sexual desire.  Honestly I'm surprised I haven't seen a request for a cross-dressing Krogan hermaphrodite.

 

From the context of what we know having a family makes a certain kind of sense, much more than providing homosexual content...since we are in Andromeda to ensure the survival of humankind.

[daveliam]

Unless I've missed something, I don't believe that we are in Andromeda simply to have sex and reproduce.  The "it makes more sense to be straight" argument is a giant fail.  Are you also suggesting that they screen all crew members so that they are all within reproduction age (sorry post-menopausal ladies!), have no sterility issues (sorry guys with low sperm counts!), and a desire to reproduce (sorry anyone who doesn't want kids!)?  It's a silly argument that holds no weight.

[Moghedia]

For me it's not a deal breaker but it is preferred...

[Stormy]

For me it's not a deal breaker but it is preferred...

 

Exactly. It would be like near any other game but it does take away from one of the things that makes Bioware stories relatively unique in the telling.  Relatively being the differences between raw, wanton, sex and developing an actual romance/relationship.

 

...IMO

[Fredward]

I have to say the disproportionate number of threads started regarding "romances" seems to indicate the contrary.

 

Disproportionate to what?

[Belial]

From the context of what we know having a family makes a certain kind of sense, much more than providing homosexual content...since we are in Andromeda to ensure the survival of humankind.

 

Lol please, we're going there as a soldier to help establish colonies. Soldiers are chosen because they're good at their job, not by their ability or desire to reproduce. Also funny how you specifically mention "homosexual content" but not alien romances.

[Lady Lemonade]

But in lieu of romances Bioware gave you a backstory that included a husband/wife with a young daughter/son with a half dozen character models for each to choose from.  Fighting the alien savages to make a home for your family.  Could be a nice change from the standard formula which I feel has gotten a bit stale.  Thoughts?  Ways to improve?

You know...My first reaction to this was similar to what many others have already written: who would want that?

But this is actually not the worst idea I have ever read. What we get in games is usually two people falling in love with each other, and thats fine. In so few games the bonds between parents (and no, they need not be straight) and their child or beween spouses is explored. A mother struggeling to keep her child alive in the midst of uncertainty and fighting? A couple whose bonds are tested in extreme and unsure circumstances? There is potential for quite a few stories that I have not yet seen in a game.

Perhaps, however, this is better left to a game with predetermined characters.

[Laughing_Man]

Lol please, we're going there as a soldier to help establish colonies. Soldiers are chosen because they're good at their job, not by their ability or desire to reproduce. Also funny how you specifically mention "homosexual content" but not alien romances.

 

Yeah, but it would still make sense to implement certain reproduction requirements from everyone in order to maximize the genetic pool,

at least until population numbers are no longer in the red zone.

[Incantrix]

I'd be kinda shocked and upset, but I'd still play the game. After all, I don't play the game to fill the dark void in my heart for romance...I play it to shoot things. Or in my case with Adepts, to make things fly and 'splode.

 

 

Yeah, but it would still make sense to implement certain reproduction requirements from everyone in order to maximize the genetic pool,

at least until population numbers are no longer in the red zone.

 

 

Bro. It's the future. If in 2015 we can artificially inseminate with ease or even create babies from pure genetic material, I'm pretty damn sure they won't have an issue doing that in Mass effect. Look at Miranda. 

[Chardonney]

From the context of what we know having a family makes a certain kind of sense, much more than providing homosexual content...since we are in Andromeda to ensure the survival of humankind.

 

 

 

Well, I leave the reproducing to other crew members. I'm there just to make sure they can.

[Laughing_Man]

Bro. It's the future. If in 2015 we can artificially inseminate with ease or even create babies from pure genetic material, I'm pretty damn sure they won't have an issue doing that in Mass effect. Look at Miranda. 

 

I'm aware, and I was about to mention it myself but reconsidered due to our lack of knowledge on the conditions that the settlers has to deal with.

 

Things like artificial insemination could very well be considered a waste of time and precious medical resources, depends on how desperate things are.

[Feybrad]

For me, there are two Problems with this Proposal.

 

A) The Development of a Romance, rather than it being just given to you, is interesting and promises to give Depth to both Participants. it opens up new Ways od interacting with Companions and for the Player Character to express Motivation and Agency. Romance is, simply put, one of the most powerful Tools of Character Building and Development, making it an ill-advised Decision to eschew it completely in Favor of a predetermined Romance.

 

Having the Player have a predetermined Family takes away Agency from them - and Player Agency is one of the most important Things in the Story of Role Playing games, as it is a Key Part in the Definition of your Character. It predefines both Aspects of your Backstory and of your Motivation, which should be either left ambigous or placed directly under the Control of the Player.

 

In Short - taking away Romances and replacing them with a mandatory Family would mean taking away Options for Character Building of both other Characters and, more importantly, the Player Character themselves. They would be less of "our" Character.

[Shechinah]

From the context of what we know having a family makes a certain kind of sense, much more than providing homosexual content...since we are in Andromeda to ensure the survival of humankind.

 

Why would the goal of reproduction constitute the need for familial units especially specifically heterosexual familial units?

 

If the goal is to create well-balanced individuals then mandated familial units may very well be counterproductive to that very goal since it runs the likely risk of a person's personal feelings towards their partner and child bleeding into their behavior and relationship resulting in an enviroment that can be harmful to the healthy development of the child or children in question as well as the parents in question. Even disregarding how issues of abuse is likely to arise, a loveless enviroment can have serious repercussions on a child's development both psychologically and physically. 

 

It would be far more productive to the goal if the children were placed with people who were interested in and capable of providing for their physical and psychological needs regardless of said people's gender and sexuality.

 

It is one thing to have a mandate that dictates that reproductive material must be donated and quite another to have a mandate that dictates that the result of said reproduction must be cared for regardless of interest or capability.

[BaconClubhouse]

I'll probably go back to my hand.

[Shechinah]

Disproportionate to what?

 

Cake.
 

[Erstus]

None of my Bio game characters have ever wanted a family. So, no.

[Rappeldrache]

You know...My first reaction to this was similar to what many others have already written: who would want that?

But this is actually not the worst idea I have ever read. What we get in games is usually two people falling in love with each other, and thats fine. In so few games the bonds between parents (and no, they need not be straight) and their child or beween spouses is explored. A mother struggeling to keep her child alive in the midst of uncertainty and fighting? A couple whose bonds are tested in extreme and unsure circumstances? There is potential for quite a few stories that I have not yet seen in a game.

Perhaps, however, this is better left to a game with predetermined characters.

 

Interesting .... I have really to think about this. Thanks!

[KaiserShep]

Yeah, but it would still make sense to implement certain reproduction requirements from everyone in order to maximize the genetic pool,

at least until population numbers are no longer in the red zone.

 

Not like any of this would matter for our PC though, or even the small crew of our ship. I mean, what is the nebulous council of elders going to do, force our protagonist to take part in a breeding program? How's about I just impregnate them with shards of tungsten instead? 

[Laughing_Man]

Not like any of this would matter for our PC though, or even the small crew of our ship. I mean, what is the nebulous council of elders going to do, force our protagonist to take part in a breeding program? How's about I just impregnate them with shards of tungsten instead? 

 

When it comes to the first generation of settlers, they can simply screen everyone who are not ready to take part in the program.

The PC may or may not be a first generation settler that just woke from cryo.

 

There are certain rules in an initiative like this, because in order to be successful it needs the cooperation of everyone.

You can't just shoot everyone because you don't like them, or don't like the situation you are in.

(I mean, you can, but if the game has any realism in it, you will be treated like the rabid dog that you are if you do.)

 

Like someone above mentioned, depends on the resources available, artificial insemination is a possibility.

Special examptions are also a possibility for particular individuals that are worth more to the "greater good" of the initiative in other areas.

 

But this is all theoretical.

 

Bioware cares more about political correctness and making inclusive statements than about things that might make more sense

in a given situation / period / set of circumstances like this.

[karushna5]

When it comes to the first generation of settlers, they can simply screen everyone who are not ready to take part in the program.

The PC may or may not be a first generation settler that just woke from cryo.

 

There are certain rules in an initiative like this, because in order to be successful it needs the cooperation of everyone.

You can't just shoot everyone because you don't like them, or don't like the situation you are in.

(I mean, you can, but if the game has any realism in it, you will be treated like the rabid dog that you are if you do.)

 

Like someone above mentioned, depends on the resources available, artificial insemination is a possibility.

Special examptions are also a possibility for particular individuals that are worth more to the "greater good" of the initiative in other areas.

 

But this is all theoretical.

 

Bioware cares more about political correctness and making inclusive statements than about things that might make more sense

in a given situation / period / set of circumstances like this.

 

I wasn't going to respond at first but you saying your Theoretical theories make more sense and that Bioware is ignoring situation/period/set of circumstances because you dont want homosexual romances was just wrong.

 

You do know nearly throughout history that most first wave settlers are normally all men? Especially in a military operation, they didn't send women to make babies until it usually was deemed safe for babies. Of course there are lots of exceptions, but usually settling a hostile land meant men went in first with women joining later because it had to be explored and made safe first.

 

In a society the first wave of settlers should not be having babies. Those babies would be in danger, and easily die and put a potential soldier at risk and more vulnerable. When women are allowed to be soldiers, the first part of the settlers would be all about making a safe zone and people who don't or can't have babies would be just as helpful if not sought out to be expendable 

 

In fact homosexuality is very common in history and usually overlooked even in more strict societies among first wave settlers due to a lack of women. Military and homosexuality are notoriously linked for similar reasons.

 

I don't believe any of this should be taken into account, but trying to act like your theories are more sensible when you are just twisting it so not to include something you dont like is disingenuous. 

[Former_Fiend]

Why would the goal of reproduction constitute the need for familial units especially specifically heterosexual familial units?

 

If the goal is to create well-balanced individuals then mandated familial units may very well be counterproductive to that very goal since it runs the likely risk of a person's personal feelings towards their partner and child bleeding into their behavior and relationship resulting in an enviroment that can be harmful to the healthy development of the child or children in question as well as the parents in question. Even disregarding how issues of abuse is likely to arise, a loveless enviroment can have serious repercussions on a child's development both psychologically and physically. 

 

It would be far more productive to the goal if the children were placed with people who were interested in and capable of providing for their physical and psychological needs regardless of said people's gender and sexuality.

 

It is one thing to have a mandate that dictates that reproductive material must be donated and quite another to have a mandate that dictates that the result of said reproduction must be cared for regardless of interest or capability.

 

This, really.

 

Assuming we are moving to Andromeda to escape the reapers or some other threat - an assumption I do personally hold to, but an assumption none the less - mandatory marriage wouldn't be a solution.

 

For starters, reproduction would be something we'd actually need to limit, if anything. At least initially. We of course need to find habitable worlds that can support us and insure there's nothing on them that's going to affect our long term health. Then once we establish colonies on those worlds we'd need to set up infrastructure and industrialized agricultural systems to make sure they'd be able to sustain a population boom before we started Operation: Pop 'em out, ladies.

 

After that, well, we're past the point where sex is a requirement for reproduction in the present day. I don't see any reason why that'll be more of a challenge in Andromeda.

 

So, "a responsibility to repopulate the species" isn't really a viable excuse to force a spouse and kid on us in game.

[Lady Artifice]

 

Well, I leave the reproducing to other crew members. I'm there just to make sure they can.

 

Perfect gif choice. 10/10. 

[Donk]

Unless I've missed something, I don't believe that we are in Andromeda simply to have sex and reproduce.  The "it makes more sense to be straight" argument is a giant fail.  Are you also suggesting that they screen all crew members so that they are all within reproduction age (sorry post-menopausal ladies!), have no sterility issues (sorry guys with low sperm counts!), and a desire to reproduce (sorry anyone who doesn't want kids!)?  It's a silly argument that holds no weight.

I wonder if a day will ever pass when the BSN can have a discussion without sex and gender politics?

[Donk]

 

Well, I leave the reproducing to other crew members. I'm there just to make sure they can.