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[Fredward]

 

[Helios969]

You do know nearly throughout history that most first wave settlers are normally all men? Especially in a military operation, they didn't send women to make babies until it usually was deemed safe for babies. Of course there are lots of exceptions, but usually settling a hostile land meant men went in first with women joining later because it had to be explored and made safe first.

 

In a society the first wave of settlers should not be having babies. Those babies would be in danger, and easily die and put a potential soldier at risk and more vulnerable. When women are allowed to be soldiers, the first part of the settlers would be all about making a safe zone and people who don't or can't have babies would be just as helpful if not sought out to be expendable 

 

Under normal circumstances I'd accept your reasoning, but there is only one wave.  For Andromeda who is brought is all there is.  There will be no reinforcements coming.  And let me remind you the first settlers in North America were families, not a contingency of soldiers conducting a recon and/or prepping the land...and a good many of those families, infants as well, died from disease, harsh weather, or confrontations with the native population.  People don't stop having babies because people are not gonna stop getting together...unless of course you're going to institute forced birth control/abortion policies.

[Helios969]

I wonder if a day will ever pass when the BSN can have a discussion without sex and gender politics?

Very unlikely.

[Sartoz]

Unless I've missed something, I don't believe that we are in Andromeda simply to have sex and reproduce.  

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Hu?

From the leak poll, you establish colonies for what reason?  Again, you fight for humanity's survival for what reason?... to live another 50 years and then the race dies?

[Helios969]

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Hu?

From the leak poll, you establish colonies for what reason?  Again, you fight for humanity's survival for what reason?... to live another 50 years and then the race dies?

Exactly the point I've been trying to make.  Apparently largely unsuccessfully.

[Fredward]

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Hu?

From the leak poll, you establish colonies for what reason?  Again, you fight for humanity's survival for what reason?... to live another 50 years and then the race dies?

 

It's the future. There are other ways to reproduce that don't involve forced sexytime. And besides you can grow a population just fine with even a relatively small amount of people fornicating gleefully.

[Helios969]

It's the future. There are other ways to reproduce that don't involve forced sexytime. And besides you can grow a population just fine with even a relatively small amount of people fornicating gleefully.

No one's talking about forcing sexytime, because that is something you'd never have to do.  People discover that all on their own.  But I do believe that there would be some sort of selection committee for the Ark and that a significant number of the people selected would be families with the adults filling critical roles for survival in the "new world(s)."  And aside from a few special occupations, that population will be comprised primarily of younger people...at a rough guess 20-35 in age.

[KaiserShep]

When it comes to the first generation of settlers, they can simply screen everyone who are not ready to take part in the program.

The PC may or may not be a first generation settler that just woke from cryo.

 

There are certain rules in an initiative like this, because in order to be successful it needs the cooperation of everyone.

You can't just shoot everyone because you don't like them, or don't like the situation you are in.

(I mean, you can, but if the game has any realism in it, you will be treated like the rabid dog that you are if you do.)

 

Like someone above mentioned, depends on the resources available, artificial insemination is a possibility.

Special examptions are also a possibility for particular individuals that are worth more to the "greater good" of the initiative in other areas.

 

But this is all theoretical.

 

Bioware cares more about political correctness and making inclusive statements than about things that might make more sense

in a given situation / period / set of circumstances like this.

 

None of this really establishes why any of it should apply to our protagonist and the individuals aboard the protagonist's ship. After all, this is a group of combatants whose daily routine will be traversing hostile worlds and finding new, fascinating aliens to blow away. It wouldn't really make sense to apply some sort of hokey reproductive rule to a small group of people (some of which will most certainly be alien) that could very well just disappear into a dark corner of the cluster due to an occupational hazard the average colonist would less likely face. 

 

In any case, in my half-joking comment, the point I'm making is that there's no way to really make this work in-game anyhow. Aside from it being incongruous to the PC's role, having little value for the narrative and having the faintest stench of an Institutionalized Raping Program, there's no good reason to deny the capacity to refuse. 

 

The last bit of your comment is curious. It makes everything before it seem less about what makes sense and more about finding ways to simply get rid of all the homosexuals in space. 

[Helios969]

Lol please, we're going there as a soldier to help establish colonies. Soldiers are chosen because they're good at their job, not by their ability or desire to reproduce. Also funny how you specifically mention "homosexual content" but not alien romances.

My apologies, alien romances make the least amount of sense.  I would say that's just fan service, but then any and all romances including the hypothetical I'm suggesting is just fan service.  Sometimes I wish we could stuff it all back into Pandora and go back to focusing on strengthening gameplay and narrative, but yeah, that's not gonna happen.

[Killdren88]

I'm assuming there will be X amount of each Milky way species to allow for population growth and enough genetic diversity to avoid inbreeding.

[Fredward]

No one's talking about forcing sexytime, because that is something you'd never have to do.  People discover that all on their own.  But I do believe that there would be some sort of selection committee for the Ark and that a significant number of the people selected would be families with the adults filling critical roles for survival in the "new world(s)."  And aside from a few special occupations, that population will be comprised primarily of younger people...at a rough guess 20-35 in age.

 

Yes but... wait, what is this conversation about?

[Vlada47]

To the original question... I'd be probably surprised given the trend in ME/DA series, but otherwise wouldn't give much damn about it. What I want from the narrative games is interesting plot, exciting adventure and well-written characters, if the game gets better at those things partly because of romances, then great, let's have them there. Otherwise I don't really care... I'm not one of those people, who go "OMG I loooove this character, WHY U NO ROMANCE DEVELOPERS?!", I can thoroughly enjoy having great characters there without additional stuff in form of some cheesy romance.

 

As a side note - it always seemed kinda weird to me to be looking for a romance in these "the world is about to end and we have prevent that" scenarios... I mean - shouldn't you be completely focused on your goals instead of distracting yourself over some emotions?

[Laughing_Man]

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The last bit of your comment is curious. It makes everything before it seem less about what makes sense and more about finding ways to simply get rid of all the homosexuals in space. 

 

Of course you would see it like that...

 

It's just a simple fact, Bioware made its opinion on the subject rather clear: Lore comes secondary to their precious political correctness.

That's why desire demons mysteriously disappeared, and that's why the Qun's stance on females received a very particular adjustment.

 

I have nothing against homosexuals, I have everything against video games being hijacked in the name of a political agenda.

 

The previous discussion was very much irrelevant considering we know very little about ME:A.

 

I simply pointed out a situation where an initiative such as ARKCON might want to screen everyone that is not willing to engage in

procreation, and added that whether this scenario would come to pass or no, and whether something like this would make sense in

the given situation or not, Bioware would not really care because it stands in the way of their agenda.

[Helios969]

Yes but... wait, what is this conversation about?

The validity of doing away with traditional Bioware romances in lieu of a fixed relationship(s) centering on marriage and children.  I think it would be a nice change of pace from the standard formula of flirt 3 times (you know the one with the big red heart next to it,) talk to potential love interest about daddy issues, help potential love interest resolve a personal matter or two, and presto, your doing the horizontal tango.

[Fredward]

That's why desire demons mysteriously disappeared

 

Yah know I've seen this stance a few times and I'm curious about how, if Bioware was concerned about 'political correctness' they'd remove desire demons but add actual ******?

 

I simply pointed out a situation where an initiative such as ARKCON might want to screen everyone that is not willing to engage in

procreation, and added that whether this scenario would come to pass or no, and whether something like this would make sense in

the given situation or not, Bioware would not really care because it stands in the way of their agenda.

 

Not particularly given that there are other ways of making babies that don't require procreation.

 

The validity of doing away with traditional Bioware romances in lieu of a fixed relationship(s) centering on marriage and children.  I think it would be a nice change of pace from the standard formula of flirt 3 times (you know the one with the big red heart next to it,) talk to potential love interest about daddy issues, help potential love interest resolve a personal matter or two, and presto, your doing the horizontal tango.

 

Ewwwww. No.

[Laughing_Man]

Yah know I've seen this stance a few times and I'm curious about how, if Bioware was concerned about 'political correctness' they'd remove desire demons but add actual ******?

 

 

Not particularly given that there are other ways of making babies that don't require procreation.

 

I would guess that desire demons were seen as objectification, as opposed to sexual acts. (I assume that's what you compared it to)

 

Yes, artificial insemination is a possibility, depends on the available medical resources and if your medical personal are not tied up with more serious

life-or-death problems. (that's the problem with joining a discussion in the middle without bothering to read from the beggining)

[Shechinah]

It's just a simple fact, Bioware made its opinion on the subject rather clear: Lore comes secondary to their precious political correctness.

That's why desire demons mysteriously disappeared,

 

They did not mysteriously disappear, in my opinion, as while the common desire demon do not appear just like the sloth demon and hunger demon do not appear, their design does appear as statues and Dorian specifically mentions one by name in the Fade so they have not been removed from the lore or setting.

 

Furthermore, I consider it to make sense that they are less prominent since a feeling of desire would likely be overshadowed by other feelings such as despair, fear, rage and terror brought on by the Breach. Additionally, desire demons are supposed to be a clever and subtle lot so they'd likely lay low if they got through from the Fade or they'd stay away from rifts or the Breach itself since the process of passing through is supposedly traumatic for spirits and demons alike.

 

That said, what happened at Chateu d'Onterre may very likely be the work of a desire demon since whatever it was seems to have befriended the child there and played on her desire to not be lonely, not be afraid, be happy and be allowed to be social.

 

If any demons were given the shaft in Inquisition then it would arguably be sloth and hunger respectively since, to my knowledge, neither of them appear nor gets a mention.

[Fredward]

I would guess that desire demons were seen as objectification, as opposed to sexual acts. (I assume that's what you compared it to)

 

Do you have word-of-dev to corroborate this or does this interpretation just jive with your narrative?

 

Yes, artificial insemination is a possibility, depends on the available medical resources and if your medical personal are not tied up with more serious

life-or-death problems. (that's the problem with joining a discussion in the middle without bothering to read from the beggining)

 

If the situation is desperate enough that no scientist can be spared to ensure the continuity of the species is it really a safe environment in which to raise kids? Wouldn't you rather pick the most technically excellent people you could get your hands on, regardless of sexual orientation, to ensure some level of stability ASAP instead of loading up breeding stock for a future that might not be achievable? And artificial insemination is clumsy and time consuming NOW, presumably not 200 and something years from now. Technology progressing as it does yah know. Also, applicable reading.

[Capt_Kangaroo]

YAY..., yahoo..., yippeeee.

Don't care for romances.

 

Cheers

[Saberchic]

But in lieu of romances Bioware gave you a backstory that included a husband/wife with a young daughter/son with a half dozen character models for each to choose from.  Fighting the alien savages to make a home for your family.  Could be a nice change from the standard formula which I feel has gotten a bit stale.  Thoughts?  Ways to improve?

I probably wouldn't care as much for some mystery person back home with an invisible family to be honest. One of the strengths about Bioware's games is their character building; they make interesting companions. I've played single Sheps and wardens no with no problem. Having said that, however, I like the romances in the games and would miss them if the option was not there.

[Ralph2449]

I wouldnt mind as much, but i would actually prefer if they were more important to the main game and actually had concequences instead of simply having every crew member have a line to say about it and the forgetting it.

Concequencies that affect your reputation and thus even some conversations outside of your crew, maybe the crew could have a positive or negative reaction to you focusing or caring too much about X etc. Maybe some homophobic group refuses to make a deal with you simply because they are homophobic etc.

[daveliam]

As usual, pick at the 'logic' long enough and it becomes clear what it's really about.

 

"It would be realistic to only have reproducing straight couples" quickly becomes "They took away the desire demons because they are forcing their PC agenda down my throat!".

[Sartoz]

It's the future. There are other ways to reproduce that don't involve forced sexytime. And besides you can grow a population just fine with even a relatively small amount of people fornicating gleefully.

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Under ideal conditions? Perhaps.... allowing for no major disasters.

 

Under intense survival pressure from enemy attacks?... I don't think so. 'Cause you can't replace foot soldiers fast enough. You need a population and a built infrastructure to support the war. Otherwise, I like to know what your're smoking.. LOL

[Fredward]

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Under ideal conditions? Perhaps.... allowing for no major disasters.

 

Under intense survival pressure from enemy attacks?... I don't think so. 'Cause you can't replace foot soldiers fast enough. You need a population and a built infrastructure to support the war. Otherwise, I like to know what your're smoking.. LOL

 

See here:

 

If the situation is desperate enough that no scientist can be spared to ensure the continuity of the species is it really a safe environment in which to raise kids? Wouldn't you rather pick the most technically excellent people you could get your hands on, regardless of sexual orientation, to ensure some level of stability ASAP instead of loading up breeding stock for a future that might not be achievable? And artificial insemination is clumsy and time consuming NOW, presumably not 200 and something years from now. Technology progressing as it does yah know. Also, applicable reading.

[Guitar-Hero]

Not every game needs a romance, look at The Last of Us that game works because of the relationship between Joel and Ellie which isn't romance based.