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[Chealec]

I'm not saying it will occur, they'll probably just handwave it because space magic, loldiversity, artistic integrity or whatever other silly excuse they happen to come up with for saying "We think the game is better this way so deal with it." which is of course completely fine.

 

But saying that it would be unreasonable to do so is absolutely bonkers intellectually dishonest.

 

If it's an Ark Ship carrying tens or hundreds of thousands of people there would be enough genetic diversity for it not to be a huge issue; otherwise people might have specific roles; fighter, boffin, breeder, pilot... and if you can dual-role that's even better, but I suspect you'd not leave space Einstein behind just because he was too old to breed.

 

Hell, even if he/she was too old to breed you could probably just use stem cells with some kind of IVF with one of the breeders.

[Fredward]

And if something occurs that results in losing access to all that wonderful technology?

 

 

If nuhumanity is relying purely on technology to propagate something has gone horribly wrong, the point of saying there was existing technology that even if specific people were incapable of making babies or were unwilling there were ways to include their genes anyway, not to have everyone from X point forward be vat babies.

 

Assuming the ark theory is accurate there will be a large amount of people. The distribution will be relatively average, presumably slightly skewed in the direction of young and skilled (with outliers for those are very skilled but not young) of those people the vast majority will be healthy heterosexuals cuz that's the average. Then there will be people who can't procreate and those who don't want to. Assuming the sample size is large as seems reasonable for an ark whose goal is to reestablish humanity these exceptions (meaning: not the average) would be statistically insignificant in the long-term success of the endeavor. If their genetics are desired anyway for whatever reason the technology exists to extract it. There is no reason to have have reproduction standards in place UNLESS 1) your sample is really small [like REALLY small] 2) your population is weirdly old or 3) your population is amazingly gay.

 

I'm genuinely not seeing the logic behind this mindset, if you wanna get on Bioware's case for being too PC there are a lot of options to pick from. This is not one of them.

[animedreamer]

Well, no prob for me.

I tried an ME run with no romances activated and it looked good. Not an absolute need for it.

But if they want to introduce them, make it go all the way : I want to see what looks a wedding ceremony in the ME world.

That's a very interesting idea, in the past it was a few selective writers who said they didn't want to do weddings for various reasons, however assuming said writers aren't involved in this new ME it would be nice if one BioWare game then stepped out and let you do the whole shebang and in fact craft a personal story as well as a professional one.

[daveliam]

The ****?

 

Any remotely rational person tasked to assemble a team to go to another galaxy and at a very least potentially create a stable population there would absolutely look at reproduction ages, clinical data (including fertitly) and desire / willingness to reproduce, not only professional resumes.

 

Any remotely rational person would recognize that it would be counterproductive to require every single crewmember to be a straight person with perfect reproductive health and within the reproductive age range.

 

Would you want a majority of people to fall within that category?  Of course.  Would you rule out amazing leaders, soldiers, scientists, engineers, etc because they don't fit those criteria?  Of course not.  And if you open up that door at all, which you should, then there's no reason why the PC and 4 crew members (2 males/2 females) can't be gay/bisexual.

[Rannik]

Any remotely rational person would recognize that it would be counterproductive to require every single crewmember to be a straight person with perfect reproductive health and within the reproductive age range.

 

Nice strawman, as usual.

 

Keep beating it.

[daveliam]

Nice strawman, as usual.

 

Keep beating it.

 

It's not a strawman at all.  The argument that you inserted in yourself into was that there should be no s/s romances because it "wouldn't make sense" for this kind of mission for there to be gay people on the ship.  I'm not exaggerating at all.  I'm saying that it's not unrealistic for there to be 5 gay/bisexual crew members on the mission.

[Shechinah]

If I may note; being capable of reproduction does not equal being capable of rearing the product of said reproduction. Additionally, it can be difficult to determine how well a person will perform in a parental role.  

[Shechinah]

It's not a strawman at all.  The argument that you inserted in yourself into was that there should be no s/s romances because it "wouldn't make sense" for this kind of mission for there to be gay people on the ship.  I'm not exaggerating at all.  I'm saying that it's not unrealistic for there to be 5 gay/bisexual crew members on the mission.

 

Depending on how long this voyage has been underway by the time of Andromeda, I would it to be highly unlikely that there'd be no non-heterosexual person amongst the crew.
 

[daveliam]

Depending on how long this voyage has been underway by the time of Andromeda, it would even be highly unlikely that there'd be no non-heterosexual person amongst the crew.
 

 

Right.  After all, gay people to create other gay people.  We all come from straight parents.  Anywhere from 5-10% of the children born to these "straight breeding crew members" would be LGBT, right?

[Laughing_Man]

If I may note; being capable of reproduction does not equal being capable of rearing the product of said reproduction. Additionally, it can be difficult to determine how well a person will perform in a parental role.

 
Reproduction does not necessarily mean that everyone has to raise their kids.
In an enviroment that requires a focus on survival above all else, many children will probably be raised in groups by members of the community,
while their parents are dead / off doing essential things / etc.
 

Depending on how long this voyage has been underway by the time of Andromeda, I would it to be highly unlikely that there'd be no non-heterosexual person amongst the crew.

 

Cryogenic sleep is rather likely in the case of extrgalactic travel and is much easier on resources.

For all you know, the PC is a first-generation settler that just woke from Cryo.

[CaIIisto]

No romances? No thanks.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

I would be thrilled to not have romances...but that is not going to happen.

[GoldenGail3]

I don't play the game for romances, I play the game because I enjoy creating people. Romances are a plus, but I probably wouldn't mind if their was no romances though..

[Former_Fiend]

And if something occurs that results in losing access to all that wonderful technology?

 

I cannot conceive of a scenario in which we still have space ships with fully loaded med bays but lose the technology to artificially inseminate someone. 

[spinachdiaper]

Romance quests are just fetch quests that reward players with sex...so that being said how about more sex and less romance?

[Helios969]

I cannot conceive of a scenario in which we still have space ships with fully loaded med bays but lose the technology to artificially inseminate someone. 

The equivalent of the Prothean empire in Andromeda captures the Ark and drops the inhabitants onto a hostile but survivable world...and that's if they're lucky and whatever all-powerful race doesn't just exterminate the inhabitants on the spot.  There's no going back to the MW and as far as the Ark-ers are concerned they're the last remaining members of their species, they're going to plan and prepare to survive the worst-case scenario not the best...

[Former_Fiend]

The equivalent of the Prothean empire in Andromeda captures the Ark and drops the inhabitants onto a hostile but survivable world...and that's if they're lucky and whatever all-powerful race doesn't just exterminate the inhabitants on the spot.  There's no going back to the MW and as far as the Ark-ers are concerned they're the last remaining members of their species, they're going to plan and prepare to survive the worst-case scenario not the best...

 

Given that this is something that can be accomplished with a turkey baster(more ideally, with a syringe), I still don't see that being an issue. 

 

And if nothing else, homosexual individuals are still physically capable of the act. If the situation really became so dire as that the alternative was extinction, I can't imagine that they wouldn't do their part.

[Helios969]

^This thread was never about exclusion of homosexuals.  I presented a scenario for a same-sex partnership with an adopted child.  It's about plausible and believable writing.  Right or wrong I believe people who were making the decisions of who to bring and who to leave would give preference to families/couples with varied and highly desired skill sets that will help the group survive.  I think people are either naive or have a great deal more faith in human nature than myself if they don't think sexual orientation would come into play in the kind of scenario we're looking at.  This isn't about right, it's about how people would act and what they would do to survive...and it's also why you wouldn't be able to fully exclude homosexuals, because they'd lie too if it meant living in another galaxy or extinction by the Reapers.

[Former_Fiend]

I do think we got sidetracked.

 

My point is that regardless of your opinions on what is realistic, I have no desire to have a marriage and a kid forced on my character in a cheap attempt at motivation. I don't want to be told who my character cares about. That is not why I play Bioware games.

 

If they don't want to do romances at all, that's fine. If they want to do this, well, that's fine, too. They just won't be getting my money for it.

[Helios969]

What I really want is to have this as one option separate from traditional play throughs. An unrealistic expectation I realize.