Who knows an don't forget Thedas is just a continent. I just know they come before they High Dragons an were very powerful an their fire held tons of magic an was just special.
So they were the boss and then big boss came and messed with literally everything? Then they wen't and made tevinter diamond dogs and THAT messed up even more things trying to fix everything?
What that makes no sense Cory did it once I'm sure he could have done it again without dying. He knew Cory wanted to get back to the City an he helped him with supplying the power to do so to speed things up. An why would he mention the City he doesn't mention a lot of thing if you didn't notice lmao
The City fits perfectly to be the so called heavens the creators went to, to look for the weapon he promised them. Not to mention EVERYONE FORGET CORY SAYS THE CITY WAS TAINTED BEFORE THEY GOT THERE. Cory isn't stupid by any means. I'm sure he remembers what happened. Capturing them in the city would enrage them an could have caused the taint that changed the city. This would explain one why the city was tainted before they got there. An two why Solas would want to get to the City.
You can't see the connection here COME OOOOOOOOOOOON.
He explicitly says in Trespasser that his plan was for Corypheus to die while opening the orb. Cory surviving screwed up his plans.
Solas never talks about the city, at all. The story of the Betrayal you're referencing is Dalish myth, which has proven unreliable, though even the Dalish don't mention the city in any of their stories.
Elven gods, this elven gods that, solas this, solas that, where did the forgotten one's go?
I know I know ironically the forgotten ones were forgotten.
He saw a city underground.
Actually, its possible that he was seeing the physical Arlathan, which Tevinter sunk below the ground, through an Eluvian in the city.
Then why would it be infected by the Blight? UGH!
Then why would it be infected by the Blight? UGH!
Um...Underground? As in where the Deep Roads are, as in where burrowing darkspawn are. They probably found it and infested the city, started messing with mirrors...
Um...Underground? As in where the Deep Roads are, as in where burrowing darkspawn are. They probably found it and infested the city, started messing with mirrors...
Or it's just a mirror in the deep roads. We already know one was there, could easily be 2. Or it could be the same one.
Or it's just a mirror in the deep roads. We already know one was there, could easily be 2. Or it could be the same one.
True
I need to get my head around the dates
Or i'll be thinking mistakes like this over and over again.
But I still think there is a connection between Black City and Arlathan. Before the veil, since there wasnt a distinction between fade and physical world, both the Black City and Arlathan would then have to co-exist. So why doesnt elven lore talk about the black city as much as tevinter lore (again could be wrong)? Wouldnt the Evanuris in their pride take offense to a city such as the Black/Golden City co-existing with Arlathan? Could it have been a Golden City back then that turned to Black exactly because of something the Evanuris did? Cory does say that when the magisters got to the Golden City it was already Black.... So many questions... I guess since we are still half way thru the story it just makes sense to have all this in the mist...
He explicitly says in Trespasser that his plan was for Corypheus to die while opening the orb. Cory surviving screwed up his plans.
Solas never talks about the city, at all. The story of the Betrayal you're referencing is Dalish myth, which has proven unreliable, though even the Dalish don't mention the city in any of their stories.
Shush I haven't got to Trespasser yet but makes no sense Cory is no weak unexperienced mage if he could create something like the Anchor its just a testament to his power an knowledge.
As for the "myth" I am referring to THEY DONT HAVE TO MENTION THE CITY. WHY WOULD THEY????? Why would they mention the City of another culture.
NO ONE HAS TO MENTION ANYTHING so like stop with that lmao its not a argument. Solas didn't mention a lot of crap so did Flemeth so did Merriman so did Vivienne hell doesn't mean its not true.
Doesn't still disown the fact that the city would hold a resemblance to a sort of heaven not to mention There must have been a reason it was already tainted before Cory got there. Doesn't disown the fact that there is tons of mystery that revolves around the city.
So they were the boss and then big boss came and messed with literally everything? Then they wen't and made
tevinterdiamond dogs and THAT messed up even more things trying to fix everything?
Wtf are you talking about who is the "big boss"
Shush I haven't got to Trespasser yet but makes no sense Cory is no weak unexperienced mage if he could create something like the Anchor its just a testament to his power an knowledge.
As for the "myth" I am referring to THEY DONT HAVE TO MENTION THE CITY. WHY WOULD THEY????? Why would they mention the City of another culture.
NO ONE HAS TO MENTION ANYTHING so like stop with that lmao its not a argument. Solas didn't mention a lot of crap so did Flemeth so did Merriman so did Vivienne hell doesn't mean its not true.
Doesn't still disown the fact that the city would hold a resemblance to a sort of heaven not to mention There must have been a reason it was already tainted before Cory got there. Doesn't disown the fact that there is tons of mystery that revolves around the city.
You're wrong, play Trespasser
Why would they have to co-exist? If the Chantry is right, Cory is the reason that the Golden City is the Black City. That was only a thousand or so years before Origins. The Veil already existed then, since Cory and his cohorts had to go through the Veil to physically enter the Fade. Their stated goal was to enter the Golden City, because that was the supposed seat of the Maker. So it wasn't Black then, or they'd have had a different goal.
Do you know we use to thing the sun revolved around the earth. Lack of knowledge and perspective effect who people see the world around them. Just because it's called the golden city does not mean they actually saw a golden city in the fade.
This is not the first time the golden city was spoken of. It's taked about in the saga of Tyrdda Bright-Axe.
http://dragonage.wik...e,_Avvar-Mother
But it states the guy, Thelm, was only told about it by spirits in his dreams.
You're wrong, play Trespasser
Wtf wrong about stating a theory stfu you have yet to give any real argument to the theory other than OMG SOLAS DIDNT SAY ANTHYING ABOUT IT SO IT MUST MEAN NOTHING RIGHT BECAUSE I MEAN HES GONNA TELL US EVERYTHIIIINNNGGG RIGHT I MEAN HE WAS SOOOOOOOOO TRUTHFUL BEFORE
Yea stfu an actually give a real response.
You're wrong, play Trespasser
Why would Solas have to mention the golden city in any way? I'm what we call it is not the same thing the elves of old would call it.
The cult of the Old Gods (I don't call it "the Tevinter religion" mainly because that, to me, speaks of the Imperial Chantry -- which is based in today's Tevinter Imperium) didn't contradict the existence of the Maker. Quite the opposite. The people of ancient Tevinter were aware of the existence of the Golden City and ascribed to "the Maker" (though this Creator was not called this until the appearance of the Chantry) the creation of the world. The Old Gods were not creators, though they were supposedly also not created. The Old Gods were outside of the Creator's Plan and showed up to whisper to mankind and teach them magic. According to the Chantry, they turned mankind away from their regard for a remote Creator (who ruled remotely and never interacted with his own creations) and that this is what made the Creator abandon the Golden City... though there is argument that the cult believed the Creator had abandoned it long before and that they were adrift, rescued by the Old Gods. Modern sages say that this is attempt to explain the hardships that the early human civilizations faced, and not evidence of the Maker actually being absent.
So when Andraste showed up much, much later, she was advocating a return to the "rightful" worship of the Maker... it was not a belief that came out of nowhere.
As for the elves, their understanding of their own religion is incomplete. The whole truth was lost along with Arlathan and their immortality -- much of their lore was kept by a tradition of apprenticeship, handed down from the knowledgeable to the young, and this relied on the fact that the knowledgeable were eternal. Slaves also had less opportunity to spread their lore, so the sudden aging of the knowledgeable meant that much of this information was simply gone after several generations. This, of course, is their belief: the ancient Imperium maintained that the elves were never immortal to begin with, and that their lore was lost simply because the Imperium forbade its teaching.
Even so, the ancient elves did write things down, and so some scraps have been recovered. Thus the Dalish have slowly reassembled a religion from those pieces of lore, though how complete it is cannot be known. Even so, a few things are factual. For one, the original elven religion predates the cult of the Old Gods by a long time. Could the Old Gods have been based on the elven gods? Possibly, but there's nothing to suggest the elven gods were ever dragons, and certainly the contempt the Imperium held for elven culture makes it unlikely that they would think elven gods were worth worshipping. Consider also that it was the Old Gods that taught humanity its magic and encouraged them to destroy Arlathan -- why would elven gods do this? One could point to the Forgotten Ones (look at the codex entry on Fen'Harel for their mention) and suggest that they had reason for vengeance, though that would probably be against Fen'Harel and their good brethren and not against the elven people themselves, no? Still, all of that depends on how much of the knowledge given by Dalish tales is complete.
In terms of the elven religion's view of the Maker (or lack thereof), it might be interesting to point out that the elven creation myth doesn't stem from their gods. According to Dalish understanding, Elgar'nan and Mythal, the Father and the Mother, did not create the world. They were born of the world. The world was always there, and while it doesn't indicate the presence of a single creator that made the world it also doesn't necessarily contradict it.
The modern Chantry, however, does say that all these other gods are false. It doesn't say they never existed (though the elven legends are dismissed as just that, for the most part, but that's a carry-over of Imperial belief), but merely suggests that the Maker was long ago forgotten and that He is the only god that is worthy of true worship. The fact that His creations turned away from Him is shameful, and it is only by proving our worth to Him once again that the world will become the paradise He intended.
All of this is, of course, open to interpretation. That's part of the point of faith, if you ask me. Were some god to appear on earth and tell everyone How It Really Is that would destroy the very idea of faith -- though at that point one would have to ask: is such a being really a god? What is a god? What ideas are really worth worship? To me, that's the notion that's worth exploring. Beyond that, all conjecture is welcome.
Why would they have to co-exist? If the Chantry is right, Cory is the reason that the Golden City is the Black City. That was only a thousand or so years before Origins. The Veil already existed then, since Cory and his cohorts had to go through the Veil to physically enter the Fade. Their stated goal was to enter the Golden City, because that was the supposed seat of the Maker. So it wasn't Black then, or they'd have had a different goal.
How would the Chantry know anything lol. For one Copy in legacy says the City was already black when they got there DOES NO ONE REMEBER THIS OMG!!!!!! Two they could not have known the city was already black because anytime you see it in the fade its glowing gold so they had no way of knowing it was already black an tainted.
Wtf wrong about stating a theory stfu you have yet to give any real argument to the theory other than OMG SOLAS DIDNT SAY ANTHYING ABOUT IT SO IT MUST MEAN NOTHING RIGHT BECAUSE I MEAN HES GONNA TELL US EVERYTHIIIINNNGGG RIGHT I MEAN HE WAS SOOOOOOOOO TRUTHFUL BEFORE
Yea stfu an actually give a real response.
I've seen you post much more coherently, so I'm assuming you're drunk posting or trolling. Either way, I don't really like engaging with people who think writing in all caps will help their point. Solas says point blank that he expected Cory to die when he opened the orb, he was shocked that he turned out to be virtually unkillable. He was playing on Cory's desires to get his orb open, nothing more.
Why would Solas have to mention the golden city in any way? I'm what we call it is not the same thing the elves of old would call it.
He doesn't mention any city, or ever indicate an interest even remotely in that direction. He just mentions going to the Fade with the Anchor. Just because Cory was fixated on it has no bearings on Solas' goals.
Wtf wrong about stating a theory stfu you have yet to give any real argument to the theory other than OMG SOLAS DIDNT SAY ANTHYING ABOUT IT SO IT MUST MEAN NOTHING RIGHT BECAUSE I MEAN HES GONNA TELL US EVERYTHIIIINNNGGG RIGHT I MEAN HE WAS SOOOOOOOOO TRUTHFUL BEFORE
Yea stfu an actually give a real response.
You are a riot!!!
He doesn't mention any city, or ever indicate an interest even remotely in that direction. He just mentions going to the Fade with the Anchor. Just because Cory was fixated on it has no bearings on Solas' goals.
Just because they do not have the same goal does not mean Arlathan and the golden city are not the same thing. Cory is just an unknowing pawn to Solas.
You are a riot!!!
Oh I'm sorry do you have something to say?
Oh I'm sorry do you have something to say?
Besides "stfu"?
Relax. You are very entertaining. I will be genuinely sad when the mods discover your um.. unique way of arguing, and decide to hit you with the banhammer. Speaking from experience though, you will get 2-3 warning points before the 24 ban period. If you are discovered with multiple offences in a single post, it will be extended to 48 hours.. or possibly longer, depending on the mod in question. 
Besides "stfu"?
Relax. You are very entertaining. I will be genuinely sad when the mods discover your um.. unique way of arguing, and decide to hit you with the banhammer. Speaking from experience though, you will get 2-3 warning points before the 24 ban period. If you are discovered with multiple offences in a single post, it will be extended to 48 hours.. or possibly longer, depending on the mod in question.
Yet not a thing I do is a bannable offense bud so you can stop talking now.
But if you'd like to actually add to the convo at hand then by all means.
Just because they do not have the same goal does not mean Arlathan and the golden city are not the same thing. Cory is just an unknowing pawn to Solas.
It also doesn't mean they are. There is no reason to connect Arlathan and the Golden City, except that fans are like conspiracy theorists with lore, always trying to force connections between any vaguely similar idea...
Tevinters were dreaming of the Golden City long ago, according to Gaider, presumably they would have noted its sudden appearance in the Fade after they destroyed it. So that means this can't be the same Arlathan they sank, so people say "well its a part of Arlathan in another dimension, like the Crossroads!", but that doesn't fit. Because those places fell to pieces when the Veil went down, because they were severed from the Fade, that's quite the opposite of falling into the Fade. They weren't built in the Fade, the elves created an entirely new pocket dimensions to build in. So this wouldn't be like the Crossroads, it would be something we haven't seen before.
Just because they do not have the same goal does not mean Arlathan and the golden city are not the same thing. Cory is just an unknowing pawn to Solas.
Oh my gosh we're actually kinda sorta like agreeing sorta kinda is this like Blood Magic?
Yet not a thing I do is a bannable offense bud so you can stop talking now.
But if you'd like to actually add to the convo at hand then by all means.
Oh you'd be surprised.
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