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[ModernAcademic]

I am thinking along those lines as well. Perhaps the Golden City was constructed using the same materials that it took to make an Eluvian? Afterall, an Eluvian looks gold and it can be tainted and turned black as seen with Dalish Origins in DAO.

 

There can definitely be a link there. Now you've reminded me of the bronze like metal that is used in the sentinels' armor. That metal is also present in many other objects related to the ancient elves. I think the broken Eluvians' glass also has that bronze-like color.

 

I wonder if it's some kind of metal infused with magic...with a specific spell, perhaps. Something the ancient elves developed.

[leaguer of one]

Just to be clear here, you're saying that established lore cannot be relied upon because you have a theory that contradicts it?

No, because

1. Time and time again it's been shown to be faulty.

 

2. Any given time warps history fact, which is show time and time again.

 

We seen this too many time with the story and lore of dragon age.

 

I'm not saying all of it is wrong, just note that not everything is true.

[Zalocx]

I don't think the Black City is even connected to the ancient elves. The Black City is connected to the taint. Avernus says that all the answers about the powers in the taint are there.

 

And it would SUCK, hard, if the taint was connected to the ancient elves. That would basically mean that everything wrong in Thedas right now has some ancient elf behind it.

 

 

Why is the Veil there? Ancient Elves

Why are there darkspawn? Ancient Elves

Why are there red lyrium? Ancient Elves, well Titans too but mostly ancient elves.

Why are there Archdemons? Ancient Elves

 

 

I'm not saying it was Ancient Elves

 

but it was Ancient Elves...

 

Could be:

 

- Ancient Elves kill Titans

- Something bad happens maybe involving Red Lyrium (the stuff from the Primal Thaig *pre-dated* the First Blight remember)

- Evenuris go powermad over dangerous power, threatening the world and killing Mythal when she tries to stop them

- Fen'Herel locks them behind the Veil

- Maybe their prison is the Golden/Black City?

- Experiment with dangerous power to try and escape, somehow create Taint

- Can't get out, maybe someone can get it?

- Mythal had a dragon as a Guardian, so maybe the other 7 did too. . . and there are 7 Old Gods how convenient

- Evenuris speak through to Dreamers and make it seem like they are actually Dragon gods, convince Corphy and pals to bust them out

- Plan goes wrong, or maybe horribly right

- Darkspawn led by Archdemons, who are really tainted Guardians of Elgar'nan, Falon'Din, etc.

 

Everything was in fact, Ancient Elves

[TraiHarder]

Could be:

 

- Ancient Elves kill Titans

- Something bad happens maybe involving Red Lyrium (the stuff from the Primal Thaig *pre-dated* the First Blight remember)

- Evenuris go powermad over dangerous power, threatening the world and killing Mythal when she tries to stop them

- Fen'Herel locks them behind the Veil

- Maybe their prison is the Golden/Black City?

- Experiment with dangerous power to try and escape, somehow create Taint

- Can't get out, maybe someone can get it?

- Mythal had a dragon as a Guardian, so maybe the other 7 did too. . . and there are 7 Old Gods how convenient

- Evenuris speak through to Dreamers and make it seem like they are actually Dragon gods, convince Corphy and pals to bust them out

- Plan goes wrong, or maybe horribly right

- Darkspawn led by Archdemons, who are really tainted Guardians of Elgar'nan, Falon'Din, etc.

 

Everything was in fact, Ancient Elves

 

I don't believe the Taint was something that was experimented with I think it could be a result of their anger an power after being tricked an trapped within the Golden City.

 

Seems as if though its a thing that spreads through contact only maybe? Seeing as its not a airborne thing form Darkspawn but can be caught if you come into contact with to much Darkspawn blood.

 

I thought someone proved the Old Gods weren't the Elves but I always thought ever since the beginning that they were the Ones Trapped in the Abyss By Solas.

 

As for Busting them out they never needed to bust them out they already could communicate with them for how ever long. I believe it started after Cory an the gang got back an saw they were changed but didn't know what it was just yet. But they could see it stated to maybe turn their slaves into darkspawn freaked out an were pissed at the Old Gods so they forced their way into Dumants place to confront him. But the taint then transferred to Dumant turning him into a archdemon.

 

But I don't wanna believe they Ancient Elves did everything I want to believe Titans and Great Dragons stood with them as equals for a time maybe.

[Anaeme]

Nobody knows what the Black City is.

 

When Corypheus went there, it certainly was not Arlathan that he saw. In his own very words at the end of DAI:

 

I have walked the halls of the Golden City, Crossed the Ages

 

In my opinion the Black City has nothing to do with Arlathan, it is something else that has not been revealed by the developers...somehow Corypheus gained powers there that he did not have prior to entering. In Haven he even reminds the inquisitor that he is no longer mortal.

 

 

As far as we know four very different areas of the creation exist

 

• The Physical world - which includes Thedas
• The Fade
• The Crossroads - or pocket dimensions created by the elves
• The Void - an area even the Evanuris were afraid of entering

 

Only the crossroads were created by the elves, the rest existed before elves showed up

[TraiHarder]

Nobody knows what the Black City is.

 

When Corypheus went there, it certainly was not Arlathan that he saw. In his own very words at the end of DAI:

 

 

In my opinion the Black City has nothing to do with Arlathan, it is something else that has not been revealed by the developers...somehow Corypheus gained powers there that he did not have prior to entering. In Haven he even reminds the inquisitor that he is no longer mortal.

 

 

As far as we know four very different areas of the creation exist

 

• The Physical world - which includes Thedas
• The Fade
• The Crossroads - or pocket dimensions created by the elves
• The Void - an area even the Evanuris were afraid of entering

 

Only the crossroads were created by the elves, the rest existed before elves showed up

LoL only thing that they gained were the powers of the Blight. He didn't become a God if that's what you were going for by going to the Golden City.

 

By the not Mortal thing we say that in Legacy with his power to transfer his consciousness into a more weaker minded persons body so theres that. 

[leaguer of one]

Nobody knows what the Black City is.

 

When Corypheus went there, it certainly was not Arlathan that he saw. In his own very words at the end of DAI:

 

 

In my opinion the Black City has nothing to do with Arlathan, it is something else that has not been revealed by the developers...somehow Corypheus gained powers there that he did not have prior to entering. In Haven he even reminds the inquisitor that he is no longer mortal.

 

 

As far as we know four very different areas of the creation exist

 

• The Physical world - which includes Thedas
• The Fade
• The Crossroads - or pocket dimensions created by the elves
• The Void - an area even the Evanuris were afraid of entering

 

Only the crossroads were created by the elves, the rest existed before elves showed up

Correction. No one of modern thedas. knows what in the black city.

 

Note that the ancient elves never mention the golden city. Also, not how connected ancient elves and the world they live in was to the fade. They even made pocket dimensions to live in. 

 

Remember, Solas did say he trapped the elven gods in the fade.

[Heimdall]

Correction. No one of modern thedas. knows what in the black city.

Note that the ancient elves never mention the golden city. Also, not how connected ancient elves and the world they live in was to the fade. They even made pocket dimensions to live in.

Remember, Solas did say he trapped the elven gods in the fade.

No, he said he sealed them beyond the Veil, the implication to me seems that he trapped them in one of those 'places beyond the Fade', ie a pocket dimension like the Crossroads, which traps them because putting up the Veil cut them off from the Fade's magic and caused the whole place to crumble.

[leaguer of one]

No, he said he sealed them beyond the Veil, the implication to me seems that he trapped them in one of those 'places beyond the Fade', ie a pocket dimension like the Crossroads, which traps them because putting up the Veil cut them off from the Fade's magic and caused the whole place to crumble.

Dude, the only thing beyond the veil is the fade and what ever is in it. that in no way mean places beyond the veil.

[Heimdall]

Dude, the only thing beyond the veil is the fade and what ever is in it. that in no way mean places beyond the veil.

Morrigan used the exact same phrase, beyond the Fade, to describe the Crossroads in Witch Hunt. So yes, there is more to this than tossing them in the Fade.

[leaguer of one]

Morrigan used the exact same phrase, beyond the Fade, to describe the Crossroads in Witch Hunt. So yes, there is more to this than tossing them in the Fade.

Beyond as in more then one place not past it. If that were the case then veil would off the veil from these places being that it just works with the waking world.

[Heimdall]

Beyond as in more then one place not past it. If that were the case then veil would off the veil from these places being that it just works with the waking world.

Are you sure you know what beyond means? And anyway, what you say doesn't contradict my point.

[TraiHarder]

No, he said he sealed them beyond the Veil, the implication to me seems that he trapped them in one of those 'places beyond the Fade', ie a pocket dimension like the Crossroads, which traps them because putting up the Veil cut them off from the Fade's magic and caused the whole place to crumble.

 

 

Morrigan used the exact same phrase, beyond the Fade, to describe the Crossroads in Witch Hunt. So yes, there is more to this than tossing them in the Fade.

Lmao OH look he's making stuff up now. You sadly have no evidence of them being trapped in a pocket dimension. I mean clearly you don't know what the Veil is seeing as the Veil is was separates the Real Physical world from the Fade. So if they are behind the Veil that means they are either 1. In the Physical world or 2. In the Fade. An we know there is one group in the "Heavens" an the others in the "Abyss"

 

So please next time you want to make stuff up an pull it out of thin air with nothing to back it up thing about it first bud. But then again maybe your just Trolling or Drunk yea that's probably it.

 

Because "Beyond the Fade" An "Beyond the Veil" ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS BUD. We know whats beyond the Veil ITS THE FADE we don't know everything that's beyond the Fade.

 

See how you contradicted your self. Your drunk aren't you AAAAAAH EARLY MORNING DRINKING I GO YOU.

[leaguer of one]

Are you sure you know what beyond means? And anyway, what you say doesn't contradict my point.

Yes it does. How can the crossroad be beyond the fade, be cut off from it and the veil works with the waking world?

[Heimdall]

Lmao OH look he's making stuff up now. You sadly have no evidence of them being trapped in a pocket dimension. I mean clearly you don't know what the Veil is seeing as the Veil is was separates the Real Physical world from the Fade. So if they are behind the Veil that means they are either 1. In the Physical world or 2. In the Fade. An we know there is one group in the "Heavens" an the others in the "Abyss"
 
So please next time you want to make stuff up an pull it out of thin air with nothing to back it up thing about it first bud. But then again maybe your just Trolling or Drunk yea that's probably it.
 
Because "Beyond the Fade" An "Beyond the Veil" ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS BUD. We know whats beyond the Veil ITS THE FADE we don't know everything that's beyond the Fade.
 
See how you contradicted your self. Your drunk aren't you AAAAAAH EARLY MORNING DRINKING I GO YOU.

Oh shush,

1. The Crossroads and library pocket dimensions exist. Morrigan claims she was going to a realm beyond the Fade in Witch hunt, which we learned in Inquisition was the Crossroads.

2. The Veil coming down trapped those who were in those dimensions, turning them into inescapable prisons.

3. Creatures in the Fade can cross over to the physical world, demons and spirits do it all the time where the Veil is thin, and it's unlikely Solas would have wanted the Evanuris in a position to speak to their followers in dreams, so it stand to reason that their prison is much more secure than being in the Fade.

Ergo, it doesn't make sense that they are simply in the Fade. A pocket dimension means the Veil is still cutting them off and traps them more thoroughly.

[TraiHarder]

Oh shush,

1. The Crossroads and library pocket dimensions exist. Morrigan claims she was going to a realm beyond the Fade in Witch hunt, which we learned in Inquisition was the Crossroads.

2. The Veil coming down trapped those who were in those dimensions, turning them into inescapable prisons.

3. Creatures in the Fade can cross over to the physical world, demons and spirits do it all the time where the Veil is thin, and it's unlikely Solas would have wanted the Evanuris in a position to speak to their followers in dreams, so it stand to reason that their prison is much more secure than being in the Fade.

Ergo, it doesn't make sense that they are simply in the Fade. A pocket dimension means the Veil is still cutting them off and traps them more thoroughly.

 

1. AGAIN Your saying beyond the Fade not beyond the Veil as Solas said as you stated. They are two different statements with two different meanings.

 

2. Who says it would have trapped them? did we not get to the crossroads? Did Morrgian not get to the crossroads I'm confused?

 

3.HMMMMMM HMMMMM I mean can you think of ANYTHING ANYTHING AT ALL that's in the Fade that we know of that I mean not many people can get to. An that like nothing comes out of? I mean there must be something maybe in the sky of the fade maybe it even shines nice a bright. I wonder well I'm a go an do some fade quest an look around an see if I see anything that seems super hard to get to an I see nothing coming out of. How about you do the same an we'll have a pow wow K?

 

Ergo, when we have out pow wow too see if theres anything in the Fade that no one can seem to get to an nothing comes out we can also determine that it could also be a prison k?

[leaguer of one]

Oh shush,

1. The Crossroads and library pocket dimensions exist. Morrigan claims she was going to a realm beyond the Fade in Witch hunt, which we learned in Inquisition was the Crossroads.

 

http://dictionary.re...m/browse/beyond

 

 beyond

1.

on, at, or to the farther side of:

 

2.

farther on than; more distant than:

 

3.

outside the understanding, limits, or reach of; past:

 

4.

superior to; surpassing; above:

 

5.

more than; in excess of; over and above:

[robertthebard]

http://dictionary.re...m/browse/beyond
 
 beyond
1.
on, at, or to the farther side of:
 
2.
farther on than; more distant than:
 
3.
outside the understanding, limits, or reach of; past:
 
4.
superior to; surpassing; above:
 
5.
more than; in excess of; over and above:

Nice. So if I'm in the Fade, what's beyond the Veil? If I'm in a pocket dimesion, which aren't in the fade, we have Morrigan telling us that when we go, what's beyond the Veil? You see, Morrigan's hypothesis is that Cory wants to go to one of these pocket dimensions so that he can tear down the Veil there to get into the Fade. If, as you're postulating, the pocket dimensions are in the Fade(at least I think that's what you're trying to say), then why would he need to tear down the veil? As an afterthought here, can you link me a screenshot showing the Black City from within the pocket dimension? Since it's visible from everywhere within the Fade, according to what we learn in Origins and DA II, and see yet again in Inquisition, surely you have one laying around some where?

[leaguer of one]

Nice. So if I'm in the Fade, what's beyond the Veil? If I'm in a pocket dimesion, which aren't in the fade, we have Morrigan telling us that when we go, what's beyond the Veil? You see, Morrigan's hypothesis is that Cory wants to go to one of these pocket dimensions so that he can tear down the Veil there to get into the Fade. If, as you're postulating, the pocket dimensions are in the Fade(at least I think that's what you're trying to say), then why would he need to tear down the veil? As an afterthought here, can you link me a screenshot showing the Black City from within the pocket dimension? Since it's visible from everywhere within the Fade, according to what we learn in Origins and DA II, and see yet again in Inquisition, surely you have one laying around some where?

Here's the logic you are using. You're basically saying, because you are in a submarine that's in the ocean, you not in the ocean. you in a thing inside of a thing.

[MrMrPendragon]

Here's how it goes:

 

Imagine:

 

Thedas -  a big sphere

The Veil - a small sphere inside the Thedas sphere ( a sphere within a sphere)

Fade - smaller sphere inside Veil sphere

Pocket dimensions - even smaller spheres that are inside the Fade sphere, past the Veil and Thedas sphere.

 

1. You can't see the Black CIty from the pocket dimension, not because you're not in the Fade, but because there's a block that's preveting you from seeing it. Just like how you can't see the Sun from inside your house. You can't see it not because you're in a different galaxy, but because your house has a roof.

 

2. Some of the Eluvians lead to these pocket dimensions.  Normally they way you'd go when trying to get into the Fade physically is to go inward (following the sphere picture) -  tear down the Veil sphere, and then walk into the Fade.

 

Now Corypheus knows that one does not simply tear down the veil, so instead he planned to use an eluvian which bypasses the Veil but doesn't directly lead to the Fade. Instead you go to the unveiled pocket dimension, which are totally within the fade, or beyond the Fade sphere. But now, to get to the Fade, you have to go outward - destroy the "ancient barriers" as Morrigan puts it, and walk into the Fade physically. 

 

Long story short, pocket dimensions are beyond the Veil and within the Fade, or I guess "beyond" the Fade sphere. Veil separates the Thedas sphere and the Fade sphere, and also cuts off elves' connection to the Fade - which means nothing elven, not even the pocket dimensions and its doors worked when the Veil basically created a blackout on the elven power supply. It's like a dampener for magic. Any form of magic against the veil is countered by it. Similarly, any magic from the Fade that tries to go into the living world is countered, so it only makes sense that the veil gets thin when you pour a sh*t load of magic on top of it.

 

3.  Now on to the topic of where the Evanuris are imprisoned. I do not believe the they are in the Golden City. In fact I believe that the Golden City predates everything, other than the Maker or whovever or whatever created the Fade. So looking at everything, the Maker is still number one, if he exists - because he predates the ancient elves, the Old Gods, the Titans, and all the muggles (everyone else)

 

The elves, as powerful as they were before, relied heavily on the Fade, unlike the Golden City, which is totally constant despite the unending changes in the Fade. Meaning, Fade rules don't apply to the Golden City.

 

If Solas had so much power that he created something that's not even ruled by the Fade, and put it directly inside the Fade, not even in a pocket dimension, then why would he even bother creating the Veil and cause damage to ALL elven people? With that much power he could've just kicked the Evanuris' ass, or imprison them without screwing over everyone else.

 

This gets into a different topic, and I'm not sure if I want to talk about it or make a thread about the chronoligcal order of all things in Thedas.

[TraiHarder]

Here's how it goes:

 

Imagine:

 

Thedas -  a big sphere

The Veil - a small sphere inside the Thedas sphere ( a sphere within a sphere)

Fade - smaller sphere inside Veil sphere

Pocket dimensions - even smaller spheres that are inside the Fade sphere, past the Veil and Thedas sphere.

 

1. You can't see the Black CIty from the pocket dimension, not because you're not in the Fade, but because there's a block that's preveting you from seeing it. Just like how you can't see the Sun from inside your house. You can't see it not because you're in a different galaxy, but because your house has a roof.

 

2. Some of the Eluvians lead to these pocket dimensions.  Normally they way you'd go when trying to get into the Fade physically is to go inward (following the sphere picture) -  tear down the Veil sphere, and then walk into the Fade.

 

Now Corypheus knows that one does not simply tear down the veil, so instead he planned to use an eluvian which bypasses the Veil but doesn't directly lead to the Fade. Instead you go to the unveiled pocket dimension, which are totally within the fade, or beyond the Fade sphere. But now, to get to the Fade, you have to go outward - destroy the "ancient barriers" as Morrigan puts it, and walk into the Fade physically. 

 

Long story short, pocket dimensions are beyond the Veil and within the Fade, or I guess "beyond" the Fade sphere. Veil separates the Thedas sphere and the Fade sphere, and also cuts off elves' connection to the Fade - which means nothing elven, not even the pocket dimensions and its doors worked when the Veil basically created a blackout on the elven power supply. It's like a dampener for magic. Any form of magic against the veil is countered by it. Similarly, any magic from the Fade that tries to go into the living world is countered, so it only makes sense that the veil gets thin when you pour a sh*t load of magic on top of it.

 

3.  Now on to the topic of where the Evanuris are imprisoned. I do not believe the they are in the Golden City. In fact I believe that the Golden City predates everything, other than the Maker or whovever or whatever created the Fade. So looking at everything, the Maker is still number one, if he exists - because he predates the ancient elves, the Old Gods, the Titans, and all the muggles (everyone else)

 

The elves, as powerful as they were before, relied heavily on the Fade, unlike the Golden City, which is totally constant despite the unending changes in the Fade. Meaning, Fade rules don't apply to the Golden City.

 

If Solas had so much power that he created something that's not even ruled by the Fade, and put it directly inside the Fade, not even in a pocket dimension, then why would he even bother creating the Veil and cause damage to ALL elven people? With that much power he could've just kicked the Evanuris' ass, or imprison them without screwing over everyone else.

 

This gets into a different topic, and I'm not sure if I want to talk about it or make a thread about the chronoligcal order of all things in Thedas.

What that's totally not how a pocket dimension works lol. Its off somewhere else it wouldn't be in the Fade because its its own stand alone thing. Maybe the main portal to the Dimension is in the Fade but that's it.

 

As for the City we don't know anything about it an Same for the Maker. We don't know if he predates the Elves or the Titans or the Great Dragons.

 

An no one said Solas created the City but if the Veil weakened all Elven people he would have enough power to lock them away in the City an with their power stripped they wouldn't be able to break free.

 

All we know is that there is something in the City because something tainted it but what. An no it was Cory an the gang

[myahele]

If all went to plan, the world would have been Blighted and filled with mindless Darkspawns/ghouls.

 

I wonder if the other magisters would have regained their senses eventually in such a world? If not, what would happen? There would be nobody capable to go to the Black City.

 

Assuming that the blight was a defense mechanism to prevent people from unleash what's locked up in the City, then it makes you wonder if whatever is locked up is far worse than a blighted world

[TraiHarder]

If all went to plan, the world would have been Blighted and filled with mindless Darkspawns/ghouls.

 

I wonder if the other magisters would have regained their senses eventually in such a world? If not, what would happen? There would be nobody capable to go to the Black City.

 

Assuming that the blight was a defense mechanism to prevent people from unleash what's locked up in the City, then it makes you wonder if whatever is locked up is far worse than a blighted world

 

What? The Magisters plan was never to go there an get the blight to then bring it back to Thedas lol

 

An they didn't lose their minds unlike others who are tainted they still seem to be the same mentally just not physically an they may have gained some power as well.

[In Exile]

Nobody knows what the Black City is.

 

When Corypheus went there, it certainly was not Arlathan that he saw. In his own very words at the end of DAI:

 

 

In my opinion the Black City has nothing to do with Arlathan, it is something else that has not been revealed by the developers...somehow Corypheus gained powers there that he did not have prior to entering. In Haven he even reminds the inquisitor that he is no longer mortal.

 

 

As far as we know four very different areas of the creation exist

 

• The Physical world - which includes Thedas
• The Fade
• The Crossroads - or pocket dimensions created by the elves
• The Void - an area even the Evanuris were afraid of entering

 

Only the crossroads were created by the elves, the rest existed before elves showed up

 

Not exactly. We have no idea what the "Void" is meant to represent - they talk about it as a place, but that was all in the context of religious parabales which were, as Solas suggests, of questionable value. While the "Void" as a motif comes up a lot in DA lore, it doesn't necessarily mean that the "Void" is a place. 

 

We also know, from Solas, that the Fade and the physical world aren't separate places, or not really separate in a way that makes sense to talk about as separate. 

 

All of this is to say that right now, we know that there was a physical world, and we know that the elves created pocket dimensions, but it's not even clear if that was really different from the physical world (e.g. we can build islands now; we have the technology, but that doesn't mean that the islands are "separate" from the world). 

[robertthebard]

Here's how it goes:
 
Imagine:
 
Thedas -  a big sphere
The Veil - a small sphere inside the Thedas sphere ( a sphere within a sphere)
Fade - smaller sphere inside Veil sphere
Pocket dimensions - even smaller spheres that are inside the Fade sphere, past the Veil and Thedas sphere.
 
1. You can't see the Black CIty from the pocket dimension, not because you're not in the Fade, but because there's a block that's preveting you from seeing it. Just like how you can't see the Sun from inside your house. You can't see it not because you're in a different galaxy, but because your house has a roof.

Or, as Morrigan tells us in the Pocket Plane when we first go, you can't see the Black City because, wait for it, we're not in the Fade. I don't know what the insistence is that we must ignore established lore in order to support a head canon, but really, if you have to change the facts to support a theory, there's something wrong with the theory.
 

2. Some of the Eluvians lead to these pocket dimensions.  Normally they way you'd go when trying to get into the Fade physically is to go inward (following the sphere picture) -  tear down the Veil sphere, and then walk into the Fade.
 
Now Corypheus knows that one does not simply tear down the veil, so instead he planned to use an eluvian which bypasses the Veil but doesn't directly lead to the Fade. Instead you go to the unveiled pocket dimension, which are totally within the fade, or beyond the Fade sphere. But now, to get to the Fade, you have to go outward - destroy the "ancient barriers" as Morrigan puts it, and walk into the Fade physically. 
 
Long story short, pocket dimensions are beyond the Veil and within the Fade, or I guess "beyond" the Fade sphere. Veil separates the Thedas sphere and the Fade sphere, and also cuts off elves' connection to the Fade - which means nothing elven, not even the pocket dimensions and its doors worked when the Veil basically created a blackout on the elven power supply. It's like a dampener for magic. Any form of magic against the veil is countered by it. Similarly, any magic from the Fade that tries to go into the living world is countered, so it only makes sense that the veil gets thin when you pour a sh*t load of magic on top of it.
 
3.  Now on to the topic of where the Evanuris are imprisoned. I do not believe the they are in the Golden City. In fact I believe that the Golden City predates everything, other than the Maker or whovever or whatever created the Fade. So looking at everything, the Maker is still number one, if he exists - because he predates the ancient elves, the Old Gods, the Titans, and all the muggles (everyone else)
 
The elves, as powerful as they were before, relied heavily on the Fade, unlike the Golden City, which is totally constant despite the unending changes in the Fade. Meaning, Fade rules don't apply to the Golden City.
 
If Solas had so much power that he created something that's not even ruled by the Fade, and put it directly inside the Fade, not even in a pocket dimension, then why would he even bother creating the Veil and cause damage to ALL elven people? With that much power he could've just kicked the Evanuris' ass, or imprison them without screwing over everyone else.
 
This gets into a different topic, and I'm not sure if I want to talk about it or make a thread about the chronoligcal order of all things in Thedas.

Sure, unless they're just as powerful as he is. These are the same people that killed Mythal, unless there's some reason we have to ignore this established lore too?