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[norway78]

hi everyone.

short and simpel question.

 

what is best here:     ability ring(damge 30%) + Critical damge bonus ring

                                 or double Critical damge bonus ring.

 

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[orange_apples]

Rings stack so if you got a decent crit chance why buff 1 ability when you can buff everything?

[Dekibra]

is your cunning (critical chance) and willpower (attack) high?

do you have BiS weapons which have...

- high crit damage per se (Hakkon) or

- heal on kill

- or otherwise upgraded?

If the answers to these questions are yes - then take ability rings

[Snakebite]

If your crit chance isn't all that high, take the ability damage rings, especially if your crit damage rings are less than Superb.

[norway78]

here is my state 201 con, 106 will, 126 cunn.

personally am fan of reaver. I dont need HOK ring, devour is my best friend.

But i do not sure i still nedd Critical chance ring? Heard it cap somewhere around 180 or 200?

and yes i use Hakkon GS with suberb rings.

[Snakebite]

In that case, use a Dragon Rage ring and a crit damage ring.

[WattEinSpaas]

here is my state 201 con, 106 will, 126 cunn.

....

 

noob question?

Can't believe it.
 

[orange_apples]

You could have mentioned this was for the Reaver. You spend like 80% of the match using Dragon Rage. Take the Dragon Rage rings.

Everyone else who uses a variety of skills and basic attacks: crit damage up.

[norway78]

yes i still big noob even i one day hit with 200 on eveything. trust me am not alone.

[ParthianShotX]

noob question?

Can't believe it.
 

 

if you're a noob, I'm an embryo.

[Hang3d Man]

Uh, isn't that at least a thousand hours or quite a bit more?

I don't think I would feel like a "noob" if I did 1000 hours of underwater welding or a thousand hours of neurosurgery. (Any volunteers?)

[Yallegro]

You know I've been looking this over and it doesn't make any sense.

 

 

 

Effect of critical damage ring.

 

[100% + (40% base crit + 100% Hakkon crit + 20% Ring crit) ] X your Crit Chance (0.58)

 

+

 

100% X 0.42

 

result is 192.8% damage overal

 

Without the ring it is 181.2%

 

 

When compared the damage increase from the ring is 6.4% (11.6% in base weapon dmg)

 

 

Now lets compare that to a superb attack ring.

 

Damage from crits (240%) X 1.1 X 0.58

 

+

 

Damage from non crits 100% X 1.1 X 0.42

 

result: 199.32% damage

 

10% damage increase. (18.1% in base weapon dmg)

 

If you have a Hakkon equipped, critical damage rings don't make any sense.

 

If you think I did something wrong here, by all means point it out.

 

 

Attack rings also apply to  non-critting dot.

Modifié par Yallegro, 02 octobre 2015 - 11:58 .

[LearnedHand]

You have assessed the relative value added of a crit damage ring when set against the extra crit damage of the Hakkon weapons, but have you also assessed the relative value added of a superb attack ring?

 

I can't tell from your calculations, but are you assuming 0 outside attack % (which only someone starting off would have)?

[Beerfish]

Uh, isn't that at least a thousand hours or quite a bit more?

I don't think I would feel like a "noob" if I did 1000 hours of underwater welding or a thousand hours of neurosurgery. (Any volunteers?)

How the heck did you figure out my occupations?

[Darkfrost]

Imma take a whirl.

Dmg= (1+A)(1-CC)+(1+A)(1+CD)(CC)=(1+A)(1+CCxCD)

 

Rate of damage increase per increase in attack is

dDmg/dA= 1+CCxCD

Rate of damage increase per increase in critical chance is

dDmg/dCC= CD (1+A)

Rate of damage increase per increase in critical damage is

dDmg/dCD= CC (1+A)

 

So to figure out what will help you the most plug in your numbers and multiply the rate by what you will increase by.

 

For example CD = 1 (hakkon)+.4 (base)= 1.4

CC= .58

A=1

 

Adding an attack ring for 10%:  dDmg/dA= 1+(.58)(1.4)= 1.812

damage increase = 10 X 1.82= 18.12%

 

Adding crit dmg ring for 20%: dDmg/dCD= .58(1+0)= .58

damage increase= .58x20= 11.6%

 

Adding critical chance ring for 10%: dDmg/dCC= 1.4(1+0)= 1.4

damage increase= 14%

 

In this situation your best ring of choice is Superb attack ring followed by S Critical Chance followed by S Critical Damage

[Beerfish]

And so it begins.....the mathies have arrived. 

[Darkfrost]

Ill add that if your critical chance rate is 100%, ring of attack and ring of CDmg are identical...  except in the event of dmg which does not crit such as dots, making ring of attack better

[WattEinSpaas]

This will interfere the strong majority of the jokers

[kmeeg]

<snip>

 

I did some copy paste with your numbers Yallegro (except critical chance)

 

Factoring in the +attack% from willpower 106/2= +53% Attack and cunning 126/2=0.63% critical chance and a Hakkon Weapon with no modifications.

 

With no modifiers

Damage from crits (240%) X Attack(1) X Chance(0.63) =151%

Damage from non crits (100%) X Attack(1) X chance(0.37)= 37%

Total damage: 151%+37%= 188%

 

Superb ring of Critical Damage

Effect of critical damage ring (+20% critical damage) w/norway78’s willpower (+53% Attack)  

Damage from crits (260%) X (1.53) X (0.63) =251%

Damage from non crits (100%) X (1.53) X (0.37)= 57%

Total damage: 251%+57%= 308%

Effect of critical damage ring (+20% critical damage) with no willpower bonus

Damage from crits (260%) X 1 X 0.63 =164%

Damage from non crits (100%) X 1 X 0.37= 37%

Total damage: 164%+37%= 201%

 

Superb ring of attack

Effect of superb attack damage ring (+10 attack) w/norway78’s willpower (+53% Attack)  

Damage from crits (240%) X (1.1+0.53) X 0.63 = 246%

Damage from non crits (100%) X (1.1+0.53) X 0.37= 60%

Total damage: 246%+60%= 306%

Effect of superb attack damage ring (+10 attack) with no willpower bonus

Damage from crits (240%) X (1.1) X 0.63 = 166%

Damage from non crits (100%) X (1.1) X 0.37= 41%

Total damage: 166%+41%= 207%

 

What do we see?

• Norway got a nice amount of willpower and the critical damage ring will therefore be best for him. With no attack power the + superb attack damage ring is best.
• The more attack power, the better is the superb critical damage ring compared to the superb attack.
• Guy ‘only’ got 63% critical chance (could be 100% with skills) so the more critical chance the better will the superb critical damage ring obviously becomes.
• A casual player with a Hakkon weapon, low critical chance and low attack power should be using a superb attack ring.

[Yallegro]

 

I did some copy paste with your numbers Yallegro (except critical chance)

 

Factoring in the +attack% from willpower 106/2= +53% Attack and cunning 126/2=0.63% critical chance and a Hakkon Weapon with no modifications.

 

With no modifiers

Damage from crits (240%) X Attack(1) X Chance(0.63) =151%

Damage from non crits (100%) X Attack(1) X chance(0.37)= 37%

Total damage: 151%+37%= 188%

 

Superb ring of Critical Damage

Effect of critical damage ring (+20% critical damage) w/norway78’s willpower (+53% Attack)  

Damage from crits (260%) X (1.53) X (0.63) =251%

Damage from non crits (100%) X (1.53) X (0.37)= 57%

Total damage: 251%+57%= 308%

Effect of critical damage ring (+20% critical damage) with no willpower bonus

Damage from crits (260%) X 1 X 0.63 =164%

Damage from non crits (100%) X 1 X 0.37= 37%

Total damage: 164%+37%= 201%

 

Superb ring of attack

Effect of superb attack damage ring (+10 attack) w/norway78’s willpower (+53% Attack)  

Damage from crits (240%) X (1.1+0.53) X 0.63 = 246%

Damage from non crits (100%) X (1.1+0.53) X 0.37= 60%

Total damage: 246%+60%= 306%

Effect of superb attack damage ring (+10 attack) with no willpower bonus

Damage from crits (240%) X (1.1) X 0.63 = 166%

Damage from non crits (100%) X (1.1) X 0.37= 41%

Total damage: 166%+41%= 207%

 

What do we see?

• Norway got a nice amount of willpower and the critical damage ring will therefore be best for him. With no attack power the + superb attack damage ring is best.
• The more attack power, the better is the superb critical damage ring compared to the superb attack.
• Guy ‘only’ got 63% critical chance (could be 100% with skills) so the more critical chance the better will the superb critical damage ring obviously becomes.
• A casual player with a Hakkon weapon, low critical chance and low attack power should obviously be using a superb attack ring.

 

 

Well your assumption is attack rings simply get added to the willpower attack increase rather than act as a standalone multiplier.

 

I'm going to go upstairs and see what kind of damage increases I actually get.

[MDK1281]

You could have mentioned this was for the Reaver. You spend like 80% of the match using Dragon Rage. Take the Dragon Rage rings.

Everyone else who uses a variety of skills and basic attacks: crit damage up.

 

I thought ability rings didn't stack?

 

Wavebend?

[ParthianShotX]

And so it begins.....the mathies have arrived. 

 

We should ask Billy to chime in . . . . 

[kmeeg]

I thought ability rings didn't stack?

 

Wavebend?

 

They do not stack, so only use 1

[orange_apples]

I thought ability rings didn't stack?

 

Wavebend?

yeah, I'm probably wrong...

[Darkfrost]

Ahh if Willpower adds with attack % then...

 

For example CD = 1 (hakkon)+.4 (base)= 1.4

CC= .58

A=WP/200

Assume WP=106

A=.53

Adding an attack ring for 10%:  dDmg/dA= 1+(.58)(1.4)= 1.812

damage increase = 10 X 1.82= 18.12%

 

Adding crit dmg ring for 20%: dDmg/dCD= .58(1+.53)= .725

damage increase= .8874x20= 17.748%

 

Adding critical chance ring for 10%: dDmg/dCC= 1.4(1+.53)= 1.75

damage increase= 21.42%

 

In this situation your best ring of choice is Superb CC ring followed by S Attack followed by S Critical Damage