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[Aren]

You haven't played Awakening. The ending says 'Their jounry isn't done yet...' Why did you write that, Bioware? To troll us? That's most likely the case.

because there were still  two Dlc  to   play  after DAA

[GoldenGail3]

because there were still  two Dlc  to   play  after DAA

Witch Hunt provides no awnsers, I don't know the second one, but i don't think it provides any info at all. So we're back at the begining... Yet agian...

[Blood Mage Reaver]

To be honest, the only way a returning Warden could work is if the player character of DA4 must find a leader to stop the GW from dissolving into civil war.

 

Dude/gal appears as a fully armored figured whose face can't be seen and will speak with a muffled voice because he got his/her helmet jammed in a previous battle. He/she reveals some crazy **** about the Old Gods that is vital to the plot and steps in to unite the GW under his command.

 

If the HoF is dead then the Orlesian Warden-Commander takes his place as the leader would be.

 

Voilà, you got the protag of DAO and nobody can say he/she ain't unlike they made him/her.

[Dragonovith]

I lost my hope to see my Warden again, but I think there is way for him/her to appear again, in the last battle against Solas or whatever Reaper-like villain Bioware creates, all the heroes should unite and fight together, would be awesome and the Warden wouldn't need to speak more than a few words.

[Aren]

Witch Hunt provides no awnsers, I don't know the second one, but i don't think it provides any info at all. So we're back at the begining... Yet agian...

Not really you pointed out that the slides of DAA said that the warden journey was not over,and i said that there were still two dlc to play,The Warden story end in WH,which didn't provide answer simply because Morrigan didn't have any answer 

Also the curse called ultimate sacrifice of DAo shcroodingered the Warden who as i said is not only alive but also dead

[Captain Wiseass]

If the Warden shows up in DA4, I'm throwing him out the airlock.

If you meet the Hero of Ferelden on the road to Enlightenment, kill him.

[Vegeta 77]

Another thread about the warden coming back again.

[diaspora2k5]

Maybe... maybe we can play as new Wardens.

[GoldenGail3]

Not really you pointed out that the slides of DAA said that the warden journey was not over,and i said that there were still two dlc to play,The Warden story end in WH,which didn't provide answer simply because Morrigan didn't have any answer 
Also the curse called ultimate sacrifice of DAo shcroodingered the Warden who as i said is not only alive but also dead

Alright, the dead HOFS are dead. So what? We're trapped in a cundrum here! We have no idea how the Blight is cured (which is what alive HOFS are currently) we don't know if they succeed in there quest, and when they got back. I have too many questions that need answering before I can accept my HOFS fate.

[Blooddrunk1004]

How would people feel about a Hawke-like appearance? That would limit the amount of convo while retaining a meaningful role. I would settle for two (male/female) VOs just to have that possibility. 4 VOs would be neat to satisfy a Dwarf, but like DAI the humans and elves could have the same one.

Maybe the guy that voiced Ameridan, his voice was great.

I think it might be a neat comprimise.

Hawke appearing in Inquisition was actually one of my main problems. As soon as she started speaking i realized she was no longer my character and there were plenty of times where she said something and i was like: "That's not something my Hawke would say". It's not enough to just pick one of 3 personalites for a character that was once yours and go with it.

 

This issue is also making me worried for the future DA titles if Bioware decides to bring back Inquisitor as NPC.

[Nixou]

Another thread about the warden coming back again.

 

There's a moral to this story I hope Bioware's writers took to heart:

 

NEVER send an old protagonist on an offscreen quest.

 

On a personal note, do you know what I hope when it comes to mentioning the HoF in DA4? I hope that the only time s/he's mentioned is in a codex entry depicting a letter by an Orlesian count furious because the HoF's Mabari soiled his most prized plants when they visited his priceless exotic garden. No details about how or why the Commander of the Grey in Ferelden ended up in an Orlesian exotic garden, just the fact that in his mature years the Great Mabari Hero is still doing his business as usual with his Warden's blessing

 

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Alright, the dead HOFS are dead. So what? We're trapped in a cundrum here! We have no idea how the Blight is cured (which is what alive HOFS are currently) we don't know if they succeed in there quest, and when they got back. I have too many questions that need answering before I can accept my HOFS fate.

 

The fact that the HoF is potentially dead is the least problematic aspect of the character: s/he already has a substitute who can tackle any storyline s/he'd be involved in.

The main problem is that the Warden is a goddamned Sue canonically established as a freak of nature who eats Archdemons for breakfast, and that the writers have not yet figured out, may never figure out and most probably don't even want to figure out how to bring him/her back into the fold without spaghettifying the story they want to tell.

[GoldenGail3]

 
 
[font=Arial]The fact that the HoF is potentially dead is the least problematic aspect of the character: s/he already has a substitute who can tackle any storyline s/he'd be involved in.
The main problem is that the Warden is a goddamned Sue canonically established as a freak of nature who eats Archdemons for breakfast, and that the writers have not yet figured out, may never figure out and most probably don't even want to figure out how to bring him/her back into the fold without spaghettifying the story they want to tell.

OMG! The Warden isn't a marry sue, the Warden can be dead. I'll believe you if you said the Inquistor was one, becuase they are. They are unkillable. They may lose a limb, but they still live, unlike the Warden who choice not to take the DA. And why do people think the fricken HOF is a Marry Sue? They're not, they can die! Horribly, by losing there soil to an Archdemon. I believe the Inquisitor is a Sue holy grail... In comparisons!

[Qun00]

Nothing lasts forever.

Just listen to Elsa's advice and let it go, people.

[robertthebard]

The fact that the HoF is potentially dead is the least problematic aspect of the character: s/he already has a substitute who can tackle any storyline s/he'd be involved in.

This is my favorite argument for bringing the warden back in the long, rich history of this discussion: If the Warden is dead, he can easily be replace by another PC.

What those using this argument fail to realize is, if the Warden can be so easily replaced, it's far better to just, wait for it, replace him. 0 possibility of getting a past choice wrong if the PC didn't ever make a choice. Much easier to avoid "but my HoF/OW would never say that by not putting them in a position to say that. There can be no "My HoF/OW didn't sound like that, since there would be no need to give them a voice and mannerisms in dialog.

Go ahead, warm up those "But that wouldn't happen" posts, but before you do, we've already had people in this thread claiming that Hawke's cameo killed it for 'em. This was a voiced character that kept their original voice, and people were complaining. Hell, BW chose to give the player some closure over the OGB, and people are complaining about it, but if it had happened off screen, they'd be complaining even louder.

So, the lesson BW needs to take away from this post, along with all the Bring back XXXX threads is "if you're not going to reuse them, kill them, that's the only way people will take the hint that they're not coming back".

[Sir George Parr]

Hawke appearing in Inquisition was actually one of my main problems. As soon as she started speaking i realized she was no longer my character and there were plenty of times where she said something and i was like: "That's not something my Hawke would say". It's not enough to just pick one of 3 personalites for a character that was once yours and go with it.

This issue is also making me worried for the future DA titles if Bioware decides to bring back Inquisitor as NPC.

The better solution in that scenario is to play as that character again for a portion of the game. As I posted earlier in the thread, something similar to having control of Ciri for parts of The Witcher. But if I have to deal with Solas in the next game I'd rather do it with character who has a history with Solas as opposed to whomever the next player character is going to be.

[actionhero112]

Eh. Better than my idea, which is to cameo the HoF in really bulky clothing that disguises gender and have them wear a mask. 

[vertigomez]

If you meet the Hero of Ferelden on the road to Enlightenment, kill him.

The Warden is an illusion.

*meditates on the fundamental truth of this statement*

[The Dank Warden]

i've seen this topic since DAII...

[TheExtreamH]

[Ariella]

The better solution in that scenario is to play as that character again for a portion of the game. As I posted earlier in the thread, something similar to having control of Ciri for parts of The Witcher. But if I have to deal with Solas in the next game I'd rather do it with character who has a history with Solas as opposed to whomever the next player character is going to be.

The Inquisitor is a very bad idea for the protagonist of the next game especially since it's Solas, because you just had a infiltrator in your ranks who got to know you pretty well, even intimately in some cases, and now he's the villain. Thing is, it wasn't reciprocal, we don't know how much of what he showed was honestly him, and as he simply advised quietly we have no idea of his resources, intended tactics, or even how he truly thinks. All things he knows about you.

Unless you aren't the Inquisitor. Unless you happen to be an x factor which gets caught up in events... Like practically every PC in the series.

[Nixou]

The better solution in that scenario is to play as that character again for a portion of the game. As I posted earlier in the thread, something similar to having control of Ciri for parts of The Witcher. But if I have to deal with Solas in the next game I'd rather do it with character who has a history with Solas as opposed to whomever the next player character is going to be.

 

I wouldn't mind finding the Warden back as a playable character for a short portion of the game, with two caveats:

• It should not happen during DA4: the game is already supposed to tackle the Tevinter/Qunari conflict and Solas' plans regarding the Veil: the Anderfels and Weisshaupt can wait for another game instead of cluttering DA4's story
• It should concludes with a big, fat, and absolutely unambiguous plotline death. Not an optional death, and not one where "the body was never found *wink wink*": they bring the Warden back, then kill them for good and show us their cold, lifeless corpse.

[Giantdeathrobot]

After the lukewarm reception Hawke in DAI got in some corners (regarding how he was railroaded into disliking blood magic), I am certain we won't see the HoF on screen. Hawke was way easier to adapt given that s/he was one race, three distinct personality, one background, an existing voice actor, etc. HoF would be close to impossible unless Bioware devotes an inordinate amount of ressources to a glorified cameo. They have better things to do.

[Jaron Oberyn]

 

I think this image captures the overall sentiment towards this thread.

[Ieldra]

For the record: I'm perfectly fine with what they did with the Warden in DAI, and if in a future game, I'll hear nothing more than that their quest was successful, I'll be perfectly content and consider this one of the best ways my Warden could've walked out of the story.  

 

After all, the only final closure is death. I do not want final closure.

[SwiftMustache]

The warden commander can come back, not the Hero of Ferelden. 

A conclusion don't have to end in death, and if we continue to beg for him to come back, they'll just kill the HOF and be done with it.