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[MayleneAlterban]

I'm a little ways into my first playthrough of Inquisition and have a question. It seems every race can be Andrastian or not as the player chooses, but what about other off-race religions? Can I play an elven atheist? A Qunari who worships the elven pantheon, perhaps? Are there dialogue options and decisions to support even more exotic options? I think that could be fun, but I doubt the game's all-inclusive enough for that.

[Lady Lemonade]

Every Inquisitor can be an Atheist if you chose them to be. Beware though: I played an Atheist once and she came across as a little petulant at times (though YMMV on this)

Elves can also believe in their elven pantheon. I don't believe you can have a Qunari who believes in Elven gods. With all Inquisitors, you can express that you find the Qun to be a good system and support it, but you cannot outright say that you are a follower.

[The Night Haunter]

Andrastrian Qunari/Dwarves/Elves aren't really 'off-religion', we see many elves who believe in the Maker (Sera for example), many dwarves who believe in the Maker (Varric for one), so a Qunari who believes in the Maker is far from unreasonable. The Chantry is the dominant religion of the entire South, so individuals from other cultures would naturally have members who switch to the local belief system, especially Tal Vashoth who rejected their previous belief system and have none now (for most of them).

 

The Chantry and the Qun are the two non-race-specific religions. The Elvish pantheon is clearly Elvish, there is no reason for a human to worship elven gods. The Dwarves of Orzimmar believe in the Stone that created them, but didn't create elves so an elf really has no business believing a system that doesn't acknowledge them.

[Nefla]

No, you're stuck with either atheism, Andrastian faith, or your race's faith (except Qunari).

[Ieldra]

I don't agree with atheist Inquistors coming across as petulant. I was about to list the four times when this comes into a conversation, but this is the non-spoiler forum, so I'll only do it if someone explicitly asks for it.

 

Petulance, that comes in when you choose options that express your dislike to the Chantry consistently to Cassandra. That wasn't a problem for me though, since while I dislike the Chantry, I considered it rude to nag at that again and again once Cassandra and I knew where we stood on the matter. 

 

All in all, I was very satisfied with the ways I could express my Inquisitor's non-belief. What I didn't like was that the story never reacted to it in a meaningful way. Cassandra had a moment where she brought it up, but that was it.

[Dabrikishaw]

"Meaningfully" being subjective here, yes.

[The Night Haunter]

I don't agree with atheist Inquistors coming across as petulant. I was about to list the four times when this comes into a conversation, but this is the non-spoiler forum, so I'll only do it if someone explicitly asks for it.

 

Petulance, that comes in when you choose options that express your dislike to the Chantry consistently to Cassandra. That wasn't a problem for me though, since while I dislike the Chantry, I considered it rude to nag at that again and again once Cassandra and I knew where we stood on the matter. 

 

All in all, I was very satisfied with the ways I could express my Inquisitor's non-belief. What I didn't like was that the story never reacted to it in a meaningful way. Cassandra had a moment where she brought it up, but that was it.

It was a little annoying to run around saying my She-Elf believed in the Creators and I *WAS NOT* Andraste's Herald and having everyone ignore it completely. It is part of the story and it is an interesting idea that people will believe what they want to believe (only the truly divine deny their divinity!) regardless of reality. It is also a kind of lazy gotcha from Bioware to have a reason not to have to worry about your Inquisitors preferences and still make sense within the setting.

 

I guess it would be kinda hard to recognize a choice like that, especially since you could, if you want to be terribly inconsistent, and run around saying I believe in the Stone, no wait the Chantry, no wait nothing, actually the Qun sounds cool! And it would be an interesting conundrum for Bioware to determine how to solve this riddle, but I do wish they had tried to, rather than just ignoring it completely.

[Incantrix]

My canon elf was an atheist. He believed that the elven creators had already left them so there was no point in worshiping gods who weren't even there to help his people.

Spoiler

At the end of trespasser, his atheism only became reinforced by knowing that the elven gods weren't even gods.

[Arshei]

If you are atheist everyone hates you.

You have to be hypocrite to have approval.

[SentinelMacDeath]

When i played my elf I just lied to everyone. "Do you believe in the Maker?" "Oh why yes, yes I do indeed." *fingers crossed behind my back* 

[Nefla]

If you are atheist everyone hates you.

You have to be hypocrite to have approval.

My one human inquisitor was an atheist and Dorian liked him just fine Solas was his buddy also. None of the characters actually disliked him come to think of it, even Cassandra was neutral. You can express your lack of faith and deny that you're the Herald without being mean and rude about it all the time.

[Arvaarad]

It was a little annoying to run around saying my She-Elf believed in the Creators and I *WAS NOT* Andraste's Herald and having everyone ignore it completely. It is part of the story and it is an interesting idea that people will believe what they want to believe (only the truly divine deny their divinity!) regardless of reality. It is also a kind of lazy gotcha from Bioware to have a reason not to have to worry about your Inquisitors preferences and still make sense within the setting.

 

I'd argue that "people make your image into what they want you to be, instead of who you actually are" was a core theme of Inquisition, rather than something they added for technical reasons.

 

In this game, they showed tons and tons of historical figures that had this exact thing happen to them. It seemed like almost every historical codex had a sprinkling of it.

 

In Trespasser, Faceknees (name obscured for the no spoilers forum) says directly to your face that this is something you have in common with them. Given the relative importance of Faceknees going forward, and the crazy amount of distortion and oral-history-telephone that afflicts Faceknees' historical record, it was critical that the Inquisitor experienced it firsthand. Otherwise they might dismiss Faceknees' story outright, since it didn't match the stuff they've previously heard about Faceknees.

[The Night Haunter]

I'd argue that "people make your image into what they want you to be, instead of who you actually are" was a core theme of Inquisition, rather than something they added for technical reasons.

 

In this game, they showed tons and tons of historical figures that had this exact thing happen to them. It seemed like almost every historical codex had a sprinkling of it.

 

In Trespasser, Faceknees (name obscured for the no spoilers forum) says directly to your face that this is something you have in common with them. Given the relative importance of Faceknees going forward, and the crazy amount of distortion and oral-history-telephone that afflicts Faceknees' historical record, it was critical that the Inquisitor experienced it firsthand. Otherwise they might dismiss Faceknees' story outright, since it didn't match the stuff they've previously heard about Faceknees.

Oh, I know its part of the game, its just a kinda disappointing decision. I'd've hoped at least Varric or whoever your lover is would respect your decision, but Cassandra often calls you Herald even if you're banging her and ask her to stop. Varric can't be banged, but he also can't be stopped from calling you Herald as well (he masks it sometimes in sarcasm, but he actually means it). Josephine also doesn't seem to respect your decisions either. I get that random Inquisition soldiers would think of you as Herald regardless of your desires, as well as outsiders, but I'd've hoped some of your inner circle wouldn't be blinded by a title.

[Realmzmaster]

Oh, I know its part of the game, its just a kinda disappointing decision. I'd've hoped at least Varric or whoever your lover is would respect your decision, but Cassandra often calls you Herald even if you're banging her and ask her to stop. Varric can't be banged, but he also can't be stopped from calling you Herald as well (he masks it sometimes in sarcasm, but he actually means it). Josephine also doesn't seem to respect your decisions either. I get that random Inquisition soldiers would think of you as Herald regardless of your desires, as well as outsiders, but I'd've hoped some of your inner circle wouldn't be blinded by a title.

 

The Inquisitor saying that he/she is not the Herald does not stop anyone from thinking he/she is the Herald. Cassandra, Varric and Josephine  believe that you are the Herald even if the Inquisitor does not. They simply believe that you are blind to the Maker's Hand in the situation.

 

If you are an elf who states he/she believes in elven gods Cassandra remarks Is there not enough room for one more god? She follows that up with saying I will have enough faith for the both of us.

 

No matter how much the Inquisitor denies it that will not necessarily change opinions. Also it is to the Inquisition's advantage to have people believing that the Inquisitor is the Herald. Vivienne put is best. "You command an army of the faithful outfitted with the coin of the nobility."

[Arvaarad]

Oh, I know its part of the game, its just a kinda disappointing decision. I'd've hoped at least Varric or whoever your lover is would respect your decision, but Cassandra often calls you Herald even if you're banging her and ask her to stop. Varric can't be banged, but he also can't be stopped from calling you Herald as well (he masks it sometimes in sarcasm, but he actually means it). Josephine also doesn't seem to respect your decisions either. I get that random Inquisition soldiers would think of you as Herald regardless of your desires, as well as outsiders, but I'd've hoped some of your inner circle wouldn't be blinded by a title.

 

Having grown up among uber-religious people: asking people to stop calling me the Herald (and expecting them to actually do it) is sort of nonsensical to me. Of course it won't work. Faith is an incredibly strong motivator, capable of overriding love, friendship, family, or any other tie that binds people together.

 

And especially when people come from proselytizing traditions like Andrastianism, you won't get them to stop declaring things they believe just by asking, even if you're very close to them. If anything, your reluctance and your closeness to them will only make them more determined to convince you.

 

If I wanted to, could dredge up roughly 1000 conversations with my family that demonstrate exactly this principle. 

[Illegitimus]

It was a little annoying to run around saying my She-Elf believed in the Creators and I *WAS NOT* Andraste's Herald and having everyone ignore it completely. 

 

They ignore it because it doesn't matter.  To them, you are the Maker's tool of subtle intervention to save the world regardless of what you believe.  And that may very well be the case.  

[The Night Haunter]

They ignore it because it doesn't matter.  To them, you are the Maker's tool of subtle intervention to save the world regardless of what you believe.  And that may very well be the case.  

Doesn't mean my character (and I) can't find it annoying

[President of Boom]

You have that option, however, it won't make any difference. The best, funniest, and most awkward example of this is your character's conversation with mother Giselle that prompts a certain musical number.

I'm slightly paraphrasing here, so I don't consider this a spoiler:

My character: "Fanatical belief is the main cause of all of this. Forget about religion. We need to focus on helping people."

MG's response:  "Supercalifragilisticexpialedocious! Loooooooooook to the skyyyy for sooome daaaay soooon the dawn will coooooome."

My character during the we're-unworthy-we're-unworthy-if-it-weren't-for-the-snow-we'd-prostrate-ouselves-before-you part: "Um, I guess, she either has some serious earwax buildup or I have no input in how I'm perceived."

[Wulfram]

I should call my next Inquisitor Brian

 

(Contains 2 rude words and a bottom)

[Arakat]

My canon elf was an atheist. He believed that the elven creators had already left them so there was no point in worshiping gods who weren't even there to help his people.

Spoiler

At the end of trespasser, his atheism only became reinforced by knowing that the elven gods weren't even gods.

 

You know, my Lavellan had the exact same views. I also headcanoned that she was born a city elf and thought that worshipping the Maker is just as futile.

[nightscrawl]

In a previous play I made an attempt to catalog all of the various instances during the game where you can deny being the Herald, speak out against divine intervention, and the like. Even though my character IS Andrastian, I take some of these myself for various RP reasons. There are several instances all throughout the game, most heavily during the prologue in Haven. The game provides plenty of RP opportunity where that is concerned.

 

Now, as others have mentioned, you can't control what other people say and think, but this is the same as real-life. So while it might be annoying that people continue to call you Herald and such even after you refuse the title, keep in mind that the RP choice is the fact that you get to refuse it in the first place.

 

And too, even if you dislike it, people are trying to be respectful and reverent when they say it, particularly for the non-human races. I think that should be taken into consideration. Although I certainly understand the point made about our followers continuing to use it to our face even after we ask them not to.

 

In Trespasser, Faceknees (name obscured for the no spoilers forum) says directly to your face that this is something you have in common with them. Given the relative importance of Faceknees going forward, and the crazy amount of distortion and oral-history-telephone that afflicts Faceknees' historical record, it was critical that the Inquisitor experienced it firsthand. Otherwise they might dismiss Faceknees' story outright, since it didn't match the stuff they've previously heard about Faceknees.

Lol, this is a serious topic, but I really couldn't help but laugh at your spoiler-free attempt.

[Arvaarad]

Lol, this is a serious topic, but I really couldn't help but laugh at your spoiler-free attempt.

Spoiler

His knees have seen you, and have found you wanting.



ELVEN GLORY

[Big I]

You can admire the qun, but you can't convert.

You can express belief in the Maker, the elven Creators (if elven) and the dwarven Ancestors (if dwarven).

If you reject being the Herald, the game will for the most part act as though you don't believe in the Maker. There's not really an option to say "I'm not the Herald, but I do believe in the Maker".

[nightscrawl]

You can admire the qun, but you can't convert.

You can express belief in the Maker, the elven Creators (if elven) and the dwarven Ancestors (if dwarven).

If you reject being the Herald, the game will for the most part act as though you don't believe in the Maker. There's not really an option to say "I'm not the Herald, but I do believe in the Maker".

 

Yes, there is. In the first cinematic conversation with Cassandra she specifically asks, "You've said you don't believe you're chosen. Does that mean you also don't believe in the Maker?" You can say that you do believe in Him, you do not, or some third thing that I don't recall at the moment.

 

However, that is the only time I can recall where that specific type of combination issue is raised with the juxtaposition of rejecting the role as Herald of Andraste alongside belief in the Maker.

[Ieldra]

If you are atheist everyone hates you.

You have to be hypocrite to have approval.

Completely false. My main Inquisitor got on pretty well with everyone, and she wasn't shy about telling people what she thought of this Herald of Andraste business and that she didn't believe in the Maker.

 

But - and here may be the difference - she also didn't use every opportunity to proclaim her dislike of the Chantry, and she wasn't rude about it. Really, if you're as insistent about this as a fundamentalist you shouldn't be surprised if people react as if you were one.