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[Qun00]

...exceptionally short in Inquisition?

Just try and remember what they looked like in previous games.

Granted, the main characters (Cullen, Leliana, etc) look alright but they tend to be the exception to the rule just like Solas and Sera don't have the Dalish Inquisitor's anorexic appearance.

Everyone seems so tiny, including the Inquisitor. Our male Trevelyan has stumpy legs while female Trevelyan is about the same size as an elf with just a few extra pounds.

Maybe one of the easiest examples is default female Hawke. It was impossible to truly do her justice as she was a taller woman back in DA2 and the body proportions were different.

[nightscrawl]

The Trevelyan's "stumpy legs" are an optical illusion based on the body build and the cut the the Skyhold attire, particularly the flared shoulders giving a strong inverted triangle appearance, like a male gymnast. All of the nude human males we see in the game: male Trev, Dorian, Cullen, have the same body model.

 

And considering that all races and all genders are the exact same height relative to each other, I don't see how humans are particularly short looking. Qunari are taller than everyone, humans are taller than elves, elves are taller than dwarves, and the men of those races are taller than the women.

[Qun00]

Body proportions usually give away one's true height. Placing a 5 ft person next to someone who is 4ft doesn't really change anything.

I see very little difference between female Trevelyan and Lavellan aside from their weight.

The previous games had better body models.

[Drasanil]

Body proportions usually give away one's true height. Placing a 5 ft person next to someone who is 4ft doesn't really change anything.

I see very little difference between female Trevelyan and Lavellan aside from their weight.

The previous games had better body models.

 

That's not a question of humans being shorter however. That's a matter of Bioware deciding to make elves overall taller as opposed to giving them the bodies of human pre-teens.

 

And no the previous games did not have "better" body models. DAO elves looked like children and DA2 were comparable to DAI's except with mucked up Avatar-ish faces. Fenris for instance would be about the same height as Hawke if he didn't slouch all the time. 

[Qun00]

DA2 and DAI elves are pretty much the same, yes.

But DAO elves were done right. They were far from anorexic and unlike what some say there still was a clear difference between them and humans.

[vertigomez]

I think it's a combination of elves getting taller (well, I don't know that they got taller than they were in DA2, but certainly DAO) and the presence of qunari making humans seem small in comparison.

iirc, Varric came up to female Hawke's bust in both games. She doesn't look particularly short to me?

[Qun00]

Varric came up to female Hawke's bust in both games. She doesn't look particularly short to me?

Again, body proportions.

Narrow shoulders, a small torso and a large head. It is a short person's anatomy. That is why DA2 FemHawke looks vastly different from DAI Hawke.

This is also what female Trevelyan and Lavellan have in common.

[vertigomez]

Couldn't that just be the art style, though?

I didn't think male Hawke looked that different, all things considered. Is it only female characters who seem off to you?

[Drasanil]

But DAO elves were done right. They were far from anorexic and unlike what some say there still was a clear difference between them and humans.

 

No they weren't, they looked like children, it was hard to take them seriously. DAI's elves might be a bit too anorexic, but they were a step in the right direction and a definite improvement over DAO's child-sized elves. 

[Former_Fiend]

Well, I played qunari, so everyone who wasn't a brute or Iron Bull was only chest-high at best for me.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

I was always under the impression that humans in both mass effect and DA were way too stocky built. If the height is an issue (Dont't know if it really is) then it would atleast explain it.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Again, body proportions.

Narrow shoulders, a small torso and a large head. It is a short person's anatomy. That is why DA2 FemHawke looks vastly different from DAI Hawke.

This is also what female Trevelyan and Lavellan have in common.

What? Short people don't have large heads...

[Knight of Dane]

What? Short people don't have large heads...

 

Varric is a alien.

[YourFunnyUncle]

I don't get the "elves are anorexic" thing at all. They are a different species with a different skeletal structure and hence a different body shape. In Origins they just looked like slightly short humans with pointy ears...

[nightscrawl]

^ In that case it's probably more accurate to say that elves "appear anorexic looking compared to humans." This isn't the most flattering terminology to use, but I didn't use the term originally anyway. You could say this about any sort of comparison really -- humans (and everyone else!) are puny compared to Qunari -- which would be inappropriate since each group has an average appearance which is the standard for them.

 

Now, in the case of DAO elves which were designed as smaller, thinner humans with pointy ears, I think the description is more accurate. But less so with DA2 and DAI as they've made more of an effort to have the elves be representative of their own race, particularly regarding the facial anatomy.

 

Of course, some of this would be mitigated if Bioware just decided to have body sliders so that they could design NPCs with more variety. I'm sure there ARE fat elves somewhere, just as there are fat humans, and probably less robust dwarves and Qunari, but we don't see any of those.

[vertigomez]

^Speaking of tubby elves, didn't Lia's dad have a bit of a belly on him, or am I misremembering? It might've been his outfit...

[nightscrawl]

^ It was his outfit. They didn't do any special body models in DA2 for normal NPCs. The only off-size NPCs we've seen were some humans in DAO.

 

However, there IS a fat elf guy in the Dawn of the Seeker anime movie, which was highly amusing.

[YourFunnyUncle]

I can't argue with the idea of body sliders in principle. I'd imagine that mages would tend to be less muscled than warriors, for example. That said, I'm sure they'd cause no end of hassle for the cinematic designers...

[duckley]

The Elves body shape is weird and way too thin. In many games and books Elves are tall, lithe and beautiful humans with pointy ears..... 

 

and what ever happened to the square -ish stubby/chunky look of the Dwarves with big noses and preposterous beards? Female Dwarves have now just become small humans.

 

The posture of female  Quizzys is also in need of work. Lots of hunching over and walking like a gorilla that just got off a horse.

 

Lastly - has any one noticed the very odd shape of poor Cullen in the morning after scene... oh dear - poor man looks contorted.,,

 

 

Listen overall the game is gorgeous, but some stuff could be improved on for next game!

[YourFunnyUncle]

The Elves body shape is weird and way too thin. In many games and books Elves are tall, lithe and beautiful humans with pointy ears.....

and what ever happened to the square -ish stubby/chunky look of the Dwarves with big noses and preposterous beards? Female Dwarves have now just become small humans.

So elves not looking like humans is bad whereas dwarves not looking like humans is good?

[Nefla]

No they weren't, they looked like children, it was hard to take them seriously. DAI's elves might be a bit too anorexic, but they were a step in the right direction and a definite improvement over DAO's child-sized elves. 

DA:O elves looked no more like children than dwarves do. In DA:O elves were short but had adult body proportions and musculature but in DA2 and DA:I they have the proportions of young children: shoulders very narrow, body super thin, no defined muscles, oversized head, large forehead, large eyes.

[Nefla]

I don't get the "elves are anorexic" thing at all. They are a different species with a different skeletal structure and hence a different body shape. In Origins they just looked like slightly short humans with pointy ears...

The trouble is, the elves don't look like a completely different race. They look like anorexic children. It's some uncanny valley level shennanagins. If BioWare wanted people to see an alien race, they should have taken the care to design an exotic race that looks different and alien enough so that people will see it as something separate than human rather than just doing this:

[Mlady]

Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, I found Blackwall seemed shorter than my female Trevelyan.

[Qun00]

What? Short people don't have large heads...

No, but it contributes to making the rest of the body look even smaller.

^ In that case it's probably more accurate to say that elves "appear anorexic looking compared to
humans." This isn't the most flattering terminology to use, but I didn't use the term originally anyway. You could say this about any sort of comparison really -- humans (and everyone else!) are puny compared to Qunari -- which would be inappropriate since each group has an average appearance which is the standard for them.

Now, in the case of DAO elves which were designed as smaller, thinner humans with pointy ears, I think the description is more accurate. But less so with DA2 and DAI as they've made more of an effort to have the elves be representative of their own race, particularly regarding the facial anatomy.

Of course, some of this would be mitigated if Bioware just decided to have body sliders so that they could design NPCs with more variety. I'm sure there ARE fat elves somewhere, just as there are fat humans, and probably less robust dwarves and Qunari, but we don't see any of those.

DAO elves already had an unique facial structure.

As for their body, it was enough that they were shorter than humans. No need for extreme changes.

Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, I found Blackwall seemed shorter than my female Trevelyan.

Yup, Blackwall is a pretty short guy.

[YourFunnyUncle]

The trouble is, the elves don't look like a completely different race. They look like anorexic children. It's some uncanny valley level shennanagins. If BioWare wanted people to see an alien race, they should have taken the care to design an exotic race that looks different and alien enough so that people will see it as something separate than human rather than just doing this:

If I wanted I could make a similar graphic for dwarves where I kept the head the same size and squashed the body from the top instead of the side, or Qunari where I made the body a bit bigger and stuck some horns on. I certainly get no uncanny valley feelings from elves myself. All I get from your post is the impression that you don't like a slim body shape for some reason...