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[BananaDePijama]

Mother Giselle said that the first inquisition has fought at Andraste's side, does that mean that Ameridan and Andraste knew each other?

[riverbanks]

Ameridan was the last Inquisitor, not the first.

[Andromelek]

Mother Giselle said that the first inquisition has fought at Andraste's side, does that mean that Ameridan and Andraste knew each other?

Ameridan was the last Inquisitor before yours, not the first one, the Inquisition was active even after Andraste's death and was later reformed to the Seekers, after Ameridan's disappearance.

[nightscrawl]

Andraste was killed a few decades before the first Inquisition was founded, so regardless of the above he wouldn't have known Andraste anyway.

[prosthetic soul]

Ameridan was the last Inquisitor, not the first.

Wait, what?  I played through Jaws of Hakkon and that is not....WHAT?

[nightscrawl]

Wait, what?  I played through Jaws of Hakkon and that is not....WHAT?

 

"Last" as in the one previous to ours and also the last Inquisitor of the first Inquisition.

 

I'm not entirely sure either, honestly, and I'm not going to go by the DAwiki, which is occasionally wrong. Unfortunately its been ages since I played JoH and I don't recall the timeline. He was BFFs with Kordillus Drakon I, who basically founded the Chantry. If the first Inquisition lasted quite a bit of time (decades) then it does make sense that Ameridan was not, in fact, the "first Inquisitor," but rather the last Inquisitor of the first Inquisition, since there would have been more than one.

[riverbanks]

Wait, what?  I played through Jaws of Hakkon and that is not....WHAT?

 

That's exactly it, as nightscrawl said: last Inquisitor of the first Inquisition.

 

The first Inquisition lasted for several years, and Ameridan was the last one leading it. After Ameridan disappeared, the original Inquisition folded into the Seeker Order under the Chantry, and Ameridan was retconned into history as a human warrior to conform to Chantry doctrine; but by that time the first Inquisitor (who we know nothing about, I believe) was long dead.

[ModernAcademic]

Mother Giselle said that the first inquisition has fought at Andraste's side, does that mean that Ameridan and Andraste knew each other?

Maybe Mother Giselle knows what every cleric is taught in the Chantry: a religious version of historic facts.

[azarhal]

Maybe Mother Giselle knows what every cleric is taught in the Chantry: a religious version of historic facts.

 

Which happens to be a lot more accurate than all the hearsay, myths and legends everyone get in their local taverns.

 

 

If you bring Cassandra along, and have completed her personal quest, Ameridan will mention there having been Inquisitors before him if you pick certain dialog choices and few of them having been actual Seekers (aka people with Seeker powers). Apparently, people found a Dalish Mage less scary than a real Seeker.

[arelenriel]

At the point the first Inquisition ends with the disappearance of Ameridan it may well have become a political appointment- Ameridan mentions being close personal friends with Drakon I. Typically, especially in a medieval world type setting- nobles and royals only make friends with other nobles and royals- they usually don't make friends with commoners which is why the friendship of Maric and Loghain was considered to be so unusual and why so many scorned Loghain for his peasant roots while simultaneously looking up to him as a hero before his actions in DAO. That means Ameridan was at the very minimum a noble or from an upper class merchant family in Dirthaveran if not a member of the elven ruling body be that a royal family or ruling council such as the Magisterium uses. A stablemaster, or common mage would not have had an opportunity to meet a king or emperor in circumstances that allowed them to make friends it would always be a superior/subordinate relationship. 

[myahele]

At this point I would not be surprised if andraste was actually an elf

[azarhal]

At this point I would not be surprised if andraste was actually an elf

 

I'm pretty sure she was human, we have too much information about her pre-crush-Tevinter days for that to be false. The Almarri rose up for her because she was the daughter of one of their most liked Almarri chieftain. His death is what united the Almarri tribes not the Maker might I add.

 

Also, WoT Vol.2 makes her looks like a blind zealot and Maferath has the intelligent one who was doing it for his people... Don't tell the Chantry.

[riverbanks]

At this point I would not be surprised if andraste was actually an elf

 

Everyone is an elf. The Maker was an elf. The magisters were all elves. The old god dragons were all elves. The qunari are elves. The dwarves are elves. The Titans are elves. The trees are elves. Fish and egg pie was discovered by elves. The ocean is made of elves. You are an elf. You just don't know it yet.

[Mlady]

Everyone is an elf. The Maker was an elf. The magisters were all elves. The old god dragons were all elves. The qunari are elves. The dwarves are elves. The Titans are elves. The trees are elves. Fish and egg pie was discovered by elves. The ocean is made of elves. You are an elf. You just don't know it yet.

 

We know the Maker was an elf. It was Solas who made the Veil. 

[riverbanks]

We know the Maker was an elf. It was Solas who made the Veil. 

 

Pfffft, heretic. The Maker was no knife-ear, He was clearly a dog.

 

(source: Andraste's Mabari; the mabari was obviously the Maker)

[Mlady]

Pfffft, heretic. The Maker was no knife-ear, He was clearly a dog.

 

(source: Andraste's Mabari; the mabari was obviously the Maker)

 

Ah but Solas is a wolf! 

 

I just find it funny that some of Solas' actions are what the Chantry thought was the Maker's as well as the sun symbol actually being Elgar'nan.

[myahele]

I'm pretty sure she was human, we have too much information about her pre-crush-Tevinter days for that to be false. The Almarri rose up for her because she was the daughter of one of their most liked Almarri chieftain. His death is what united the Almarri tribes not the Maker might I add.

 

Also, WoT Vol.2 makes her looks like a blind zealot and Maferath has the intelligent one who was doing it for his people... Don't tell the Chantry.

 

Fine, Andraste's mother was an Elf then

[TheChosenOne]

Everyone is an elf. The Maker was an elf. The magisters were all elves. The old god dragons were all elves. The qunari are elves. The dwarves are elves. The Titans are elves. The trees are elves. Fish and egg pie was discovered by elves. The ocean is made of elves. You are an elf. You just don't know it yet.

[Former_Fiend]

So, the wiki lists Andraste's Exalted March as starting in -180 Ancient, her death occurring in -170 ancient, the Inquisition as being founded around -100 Ancient, and Drakon's rise to power at -11 Ancient. 

 

It is mentioned that it's not entirely clear when the Inquisition was founded, but 70+ years is a lot of lee-way for this kind of thing. 

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I don't recall Giselle actually saying the Inquisition and Andraste occurred simultaneously. Just that that Inquisition, in its early years, formed to quell chaos that arose. And I put it together myself that that chaos was the result of Tevinter's fall from power, which would have been a result of botht he 1st blight and Andraste, therefore, post-Andraste.

 

At the point the first Inquisition ends with the disappearance of Ameridan it may well have become a political appointment- Ameridan mentions being close personal friends with Drakon I. Typically, especially in a medieval world type setting- nobles and royals only make friends with other nobles and royals- they usually don't make friends with commoners which is why the friendship of Maric and Loghain was considered to be so unusual and why so many scorned Loghain for his peasant roots while simultaneously looking up to him as a hero before his actions in DAO. That means Ameridan was at the very minimum a noble or from an upper class merchant family in Dirthaveran if not a member of the elven ruling body be that a royal family or ruling council such as the Magisterium uses. A stablemaster, or common mage would not have had an opportunity to meet a king or emperor in circumstances that allowed them to make friends it would always be a superior/subordinate relationship. 

 

I get the feeling Kordillius was one of those friendly prince types, so I don't get the impression that it would be impossible for him to befriend a commoner. Maybe he met Ameridan in the Dales one day after being on a diplomatic visit there and, I dunno, sneaking off into town/the countryside alone to escape his handlers. 

 

Its entirely possible Ameridan is a noble, of course. The Dalish clans' names all descend from noble houses of the Dales that refused to submit. And they're run by keepers, who are mages, implying that the noble/ruling class of the Dales was also mages, and Ameridan is a mage. I just don't think it's impossible for Ameridan to have been a commoner, either. 

[Solas]

Everyone is an elf. The Maker was an elf. The magisters were all elves. The old god dragons were all elves. The qunari are elves. The dwarves are elves. The Titans are elves. The trees are elves. Fish and egg pie was discovered by elves. The ocean is made of elves. You are an elf. You just don't know it yet.

some theories verge on this    the elves were originally spirits, andraste was flemeth, shartan was solas, the qunari were dragons, the old gods are the elven pantheon, the insertthinghere was the insertdudehere

[Former_Fiend]

I don't recall Giselle actually saying the Inquisition and Andraste occurred simultaneously. Just that that Inquisition, in its early years, formed to quell chaos that arose. And I put it together myself that that chaos was the result of Tevinter's fall from power, which would have been a result of botht he 1st blight and Andraste, therefore, post-Andraste.

 

 

I get the feeling Kordillius was one of those friendly prince types, so I don't get the impression that it would be impossible for him to befriend a commoner. Maybe he met Ameridan in the Dales one day after being on a diplomatic visit there and, I dunno, sneaking off into town/the countryside alone to escape his handlers. 

 

Its entirely possible Ameridan is a noble, of course. The Dalish clans' names all descend from noble houses of the Dales that refused to submit. And they're run by keepers, who are mages, implying that the noble/ruling class of the Dales was also mages, and Ameridan is a mage. I just don't think it's impossible for Ameridan to have been a commoner, either. 

 

When you ask Giselle for the history of the original Inquisition, she explicitly says that the Inquisition formed prior to Andraste's exalted march to deal with the chaos left over from the First Blight. When Andraste started her march, the Inquisition fell in with her. I'm inclined to think Giselle's in the wrong here, but the tricky thing with dragon age is that you can't be sure because most all sources are in-universe and intentionally fallible. 

 

In any event, everyone else is correct in pointing out the OP's confusion; Ameridan's tenure as Inquisitor didn't take place until well over a century after Andraste's death.

[dragondreamer]

I get the feeling Kordillius was one of those friendly prince types, so I don't get the impression that it would be impossible for him to befriend a commoner. Maybe he met Ameridan in the Dales one day after being on a diplomatic visit there and, I dunno, sneaking off into town/the countryside alone to escape his handlers. 

 

Its entirely possible Ameridan is a noble, of course. The Dalish clans' names all descend from noble houses of the Dales that refused to submit. And they're run by keepers, who are mages, implying that the noble/ruling class of the Dales was also mages, and Ameridan is a mage. I just don't think it's impossible for Ameridan to have been a commoner, either. 

 

I got the impression that Ameridan was a noble from a few things.  One was that a Dalish clan (Clan Ghilain on the War Table) claimed descent from him, and since the Dalish clans are founded by old Dales noble houses, that's likely what was being referred to.  The other was the political talk; the idea that if either he or Telana were to go back to the Dales, they would have enough weight to push for change in their relations with Orlais.  That suggests they have some fairly significant clout in the Dales, which probably has something to do in part with their families, since elves running around promoting the Chantry probably wouldn't have been that popular in the Dales otherwise.