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[jedidotflow]

So, I encountered the following banter between Cole and Bull (italics mine):

 

Cole: "Tama, how will I follow the Qun?" Her hands, strong but gentle, rubs the stubs where the horns will be.

 

Cole: "You are strong, and your mind is sharp. You will solve problems others cannot." She smiles, but sadly.

 

Iron Bull: Looks like my old Tamassran was wrong. Bet she's pissed one of her kids went Tal-Vashoth.

 

Cole: Agents with hushed tones. Eyes stinging. Forms to fill out, course corrections. Reduce risk of similar losses.

 

Cole: I remember the little boy, too wise, eager to help. Words break in small, secret spaces. He got away. He got away.

 

Iron Bull: How could you know that? You've never even met her.

 

Cole: Your hurt touches hers.

 

Iron Bull: Well, that's, uh, creepy, but... Thanks.

 

I've been thinking, did she actually want Bull to leave the Qun? What confuses me is the "sadly" and the whole "words break in small, secret spaces. He got away." Whose words? Hers? The Inquisitor's? Is he getting away akin to escaping or getting lost?

[vertigomez]

I'm inclined to think she's glad. Secretly, of course.

Bull believes she'd be angry, Cole corrects him, and then he says thank you. I don't think Bull would say thanks if he wasn't comforted by the thought of her being okay with him going rogue.

[BansheeOwnage]

"Solving problems others cannot" sounds like she's telling him he'll be Ben-Hassrath, and there could be many reasons that makes her sad. But she's covering it up with a smile. Not sure about the "breaking words in secret places" part.

[denise12184]

I always thought Cole said the 'he got away' part with relief. Then again, the first time I heard that, I had just made the decision to sunder Bull from everything/everyone he knew, so maybe I heard what I wanted to hear.

[katerinafm]

I got the impression she was glad. Looks like Bull had a Tamassran who also doubted and didn't think the Qun was all good. Bet that influenced him doubting himself in the future subconsciously.

[Nixou]

Some keep claiming that Bull's "cuddlyqun" worldview betrays the fact that he's already a Tal'Vasoth and in denial about it.

 

I for one suspect that Bull exists to hint at the Qunari being a lot more factional than they're willing to admit, with at least two factions, one dovish and one hawkish vying for control over their society. Bull and his mentor/mother figure would belong to the Doves, while Bull's superiors belonged to the hawkish faction.

 

If that interpretation is correct, Tama's didn't want Bull to get away from the Qun, but from the higher ups who in her views misused his talents and intelligence.

[Lumix19]

I get the impression that she knew the Qun would demand a lot from him, so she's glad he left, maybe? Definite sadness there though "eyes stinging". Perhaps she knows she won't see him again, or that it was something of a selfish desire.

[vertigomez]

"Solving problems others cannot" sounds like she's telling him he'll be Ben-Hassrath, and there could be many reasons that makes her sad. But she's covering it up with a smile. Not sure about the "breaking words in secret places" part.

The way it's phrased (Words break in small, secret spaces. He got away. He got away.) make it sound to me like she's crying. The words are literally breaking, and she obviously has to keep her feelings a secret. That's just my interpretation, though.

Whether it's the Qun she has a problem with, or if she's just torn up about what life as a Ben-Hassrath spy will do to her little Bull is anyone's guess.

[TobiTobsen]

There are quite a few stories in DA:I that make it seem like the Qunari and the Qun aren't the unified front they would like to be and that we were led to believe they are.

 

Until now it was always "The Qun demands..." and every Qunari seemed to comply. Sten loses his "soul" and resigns himself to rather die than go back as a failure. Ketojan immolates himself because he "betrayed" the Qun. The Arishock stays in Kirkwall for years, death before dishonor. Even the Tal Vashoth were implied to be by-the-book rebels, conforming to the way they thought and were told by the Qun malcontents should and would act.

 

In DA:I (starting with Tallis, actually, even if I would like to ignore her ) we finally get some little glimpses and stories of Qunari "rebelling" against their philosophy. The Iron Bull, even while he is doing his job, is basically Tal-Vashoth in all but name. Tallis was whitewashing the Qun for herself. Solas tells us a story about a baker in Qunandar who "rebels" by changing the recipe of every loaf of bread she is making. Bull's Tamassran is happy for him getting away.

 

I think those are the first glimpses of a greater story that we will get to see up close in DA4.

[fhs33721]

Pretty much what TobiTobsen said. The Qun doesn't seem to work as well as the qunari would like the other nations to believe. Stories like the one about the qunari baker, Iron bulls Tamassra, Bull himself and even Tallis to an extent show that under the surface many qunari might be quite dissatisfied with the system that denies them any individuality and operates on insane troll logic like "You have total freedom of choice. Choose to follow the Qun or die."

[BansheeOwnage]

Gatt also expresses displeasure at certain aspects of the Qun, but says they won't change if everyone like him leaves. So a bit more internal fracturing there.

[Ryzaki]

Yep. Hopefully if we ever do play someone from Par Vollen we can play someone who's not fully satisified with the Qun but not fully tal Vasoth. That'll be an interesting rp.

[milkeye]

I'm inclined to think she's glad. Secretly, of course.

Bull believes she'd be angry, Cole corrects him, and then he says thank you. I don't think Bull would say thanks if he wasn't comforted by the thought of her being okay with him going rogue.

 

 

This was my impression, too. Bull says "thanks" with quiet relief, as if what Cole said has unburdened him somewhat. 

 

God, I love that particular exchange between Cole and Bull. We learn so much from just a handful of cryptic lines. 

 

 

 

There are quite a few stories in DA:I that make it seem like the Qunari and the Qun aren't the unified front they would like to be and that we were led to believe they are.

 

Until now it was always "The Qun demands..." and every Qunari seemed to comply. Sten loses his "soul" and resigns himself to rather die than go back as a failure. Ketojan immolates himself because he "betrayed" the Qun. The Arishock stays in Kirkwall for years, death before dishonor. Even the Tal Vashoth were implied to be by-the-book rebels, conforming to the way they thought and were told by the Qun malcontents should and would act.

 

In DA:I (starting with Tallis, actually, even if I would like to ignore her ) we finally get some little glimpses and stories of Qunari "rebelling" against their philosophy. The Iron Bull, even while he is doing his job, is basically Tal-Vashoth in all but name. Tallis was whitewashing the Qun for herself. Solas tells us a story about a baker in Qunandar who "rebels" by changing the recipe of every loaf of bread she is making. Bull's Tamassran is happy for him getting away.

 

I think those are the first glimpses of a greater story that we will get to see up close in DA4.

 

 

Yes. Notice how nearly all of the characters you mention are those who've spent time in non-Qunari lands.  Those who have seen first-hand a society different from their own. That is why I find the Cole/Bull banter so interesting; we get to see a into a Qunari mind that (presumably) hasn't spent time outside of what she has known her entire life. It illustrates the point that even those fully immersed in Qun doctrine may question it.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

DAI made a point of showing us the perspective of Qunari who are loyal but not mindless unthinking followers. There's also a codex entry written by a Qunari in Seheron who hunted Tal'Vashoth that questioned the Qun. The impression I got was that the Ben'Hassrath mostly only care that Qunari are loyal enough to do their jobs rather then enforcing the idea that the Qun is flawless and perfect.