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[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

At Haven Corypheus is pretty clear that, at the very least, he crafted the Anchor. Yet, Solas claims, had Corypheus died he would have used the mark the Inquisitor bears to tear down the Veil. Who is telling the truth. I know the orb belongs to Fen'harel but the Anchor? Was it not crafted by Corypheus using the orb? or was he simply lying?

[Reznore57]

You know Corypheus

If you believe his "dear diary" he also found the darkness and took it within himself , he sounds like it wasn't some terrible accident .

Anyway Cory figured out a spell to get the anchor and probably thought he did something extraordinary with the orb when it was always ment to do that if you knew how to use it.

[azarhal]

Seems to me that the Anchor get fixed to the first hand touch the Foci after it is opened. By the way, what kind of idiot design a magical artifact that destroy everything on 1km diameter when opened?

[Gervaise]

I think he got the knowledge from the orb how to create the anchor and that is how they are in some way linked.    It would seem a one time only thing though, otherwise you'd think he simply make another one.     There is a codex in the Arbor Wilds from either Calpurnia or Sampson where Cory is telling them he has certain knowledge and when they ask him how, he indicates it comes from the orb.   So the orb would seem to be more than simply a power source but a repository of knowledge as well.   You never know, may be he even got the idea of using the dragon from it to ensure his immortality. 

 

To be honest I'd believe what Cory says before Solas now.    The latter is very selective with his information; telling you just enough to suit his purposes but withholding a whole lot more than might help you against him.     So if what he says contradicts what Corypheus said, that is probably deliberate.

[Fredward]

Solas says at the end of Trespasser that he's the only one who could wear the Mark and live so presumably it has more to do with him than Cory. Corypheus might get credit for subverting it somehow though.

[Hydwn]

Solas let him find out how to make the anchor, but he knew that using the orb after it had lain so long dormant would cause the explosion.  So Corypheus did craft the anchor...he just wasn't counting on the explosion that Solas expected to kill him.  Solas never expected him to be able to come back fromt he dead.

[sjsharp2011]

Solas let him find out how to make the anchor, but he knew that using the orb after it had lain so long dormant would cause the explosion.  So Corypheus did craft the anchor...he just wasn't counting on the explosion that Solas expected to kill him.  Solas never expected him to be able to come back fromt he dead.

yeah that's my guess as well he didn't know just as we didn't at the time that Corypheus had that ability. He thought once Cory has died in the explosion I can go in and retrieve the orb and hopefully no one will be any the wiser. At least that's what I think Solas was thinking . He only played along with the Inquisition once he realised he dropped the ball so to speak because he knew there was no way to retrieve it without help.

[Heimdall]

Seems to me that the Anchor get fixed to the first hand touch the Foci after it is opened. By the way, what kind of idiot design a magical artifact that destroy everything on 1km diameter when opened?

Apparently it was like that because t was overcharged after laying dormant for so long. Maybe if he was powerful enough, Solas could have opened it without the explosion.

[nightscrawl]

At Haven Corypheus is pretty clear that, at the very least, he crafted the Anchor. Yet, Solas claims, had Corypheus died he would have used the mark the Inquisitor bears to tear down the Veil. Who is telling the truth. I know the orb belongs to Fen'harel but the Anchor? Was it not crafted by Corypheus using the orb? or was he simply lying?

 

They're both telling the truth?

 

The orb placed the Anchor on/in the Inquisitor's hand. The Anchor was created during the ritual that Corypheus was conducting using the orb that Solas gave him, but Corypheus did technically create the Anchor that is on the Inquisitor's hand. Presumably, if the Divine had not knocked the orb out of his hand then Corypheus would have been gifted with the Anchor instead AND survived the blast (which we know he did anyway, without the Anchor). So Solas would have been screwed either way. At least with the Inquisitor gaining the Anchor it was on a person that could be manipulated.

 

Solas wanted Corypheus to empower the orb and die in the process, after which he would have taken it and used it to create an Anchor for himself.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Solas let him find out how to make the anchor, but he knew that using the orb after it had lain so long dormant would cause the explosion.  So Corypheus did craft the anchor...he just wasn't counting on the explosion that Solas expected to kill him.  Solas never expected him to be able to come back fromt he dead.

I have seen you post before. I weep with joy to see the proper past participle of the ever more defunct intransitive English verb "lie" appropriately used.

[In Exile]

At Haven Corypheus is pretty clear that, at the very least, he crafted the Anchor. Yet, Solas claims, had Corypheus died he would have used the mark the Inquisitor bears to tear down the Veil. Who is telling the truth. I know the orb belongs to Fen'harel but the Anchor? Was it not crafted by Corypheus using the orb? or was he simply lying?

 

Corypheus is doing the usual Tevinter bit - claiming elven magic as his own. 

[Madmoe77]

At Haven Corypheus is pretty clear that, at the very least, he crafted the Anchor. Yet, Solas claims, had Corypheus died he would have used the mark the Inquisitor bears to tear down the Veil. Who is telling the truth. I know the orb belongs to Fen'harel but the Anchor? Was it not crafted by Corypheus using the orb? or was he simply lying?

 

I honestly feel like bias for the bad guy prevents us from seeing that Cory is the only honest character in this game. He is clear with his motivations and why he is doing so. He never traverses the lies that Solas sows. He doesn't have the background of a Blackwall. He doesn't bear the name Hissrad. Cory is not confused like Sera about what the world should be. None of the characters we associate with are directly honest. Even Mother Gisselle slanders Dorian and won't confess her sources for fear they may incriminate her.

 

Cory, being sung by most, as an ineffective rival doesn't lie to us. We actually get to see his involvement on the story from many angles. If seeing is believing Cory is an eleven foot tall being effected by his traversing into the Black City causing a ton of collateral damage. He rightly owns it. Cory actively searches for history, relics and their use. Most of which is from a time he lived in. We put him down like a rabid dog for his efforts! Solas on the other hand gets a sappy examination of his lies and we are supposed to find him truthful now. Varric lies for the story! Why would we assume this isn't the writers admission of the same?

 

Fen'haral find Cory in possession of the orb; either honestly because that was intended or the waking moment he realized someone stole his ball!      

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

I honestly feel like bias for the bad guy prevents us from seeing that Cory is the only honest character in this game. He is clear with his motivations and why he is doing so. He never traverses the lies that Solas sows. He doesn't have the background of a Blackwall. He doesn't bear the name Hissrad. Cory is not confused like Sera about what the world should be. None of the characters we associate with are directly honest. Even Mother Gisselle slanders Dorian and won't confess her sources for fear they may incriminate her.

 

Cory, being sung by most, as an ineffective rival doesn't lie to us. We actually get to see his involvement on the story from many angles. If seeing is believing Cory is an eleven foot tall being effected by his traversing into the Black City causing a ton of collateral damage. He rightly owns it. Cory actively searches for history, relics and their use. Most of which is from a time he lived in. We put him down like a rabid dog for his efforts! Solas on the other hand gets a sappy examination of his lies and we are supposed to find him truthful now. Varric lies for the story! Why would we assume this isn't the writers admission of the same?

 

Fen'haral find Cory in possession of the orb; either honestly because that was intended or the waking moment he realized someone stole his ball!      

Corypheus is at least honest. Solas is...hard to pin down but he is certainly not honest. But both suffer from being stuck in their respective past. Thedas, just as the real world, changes, it is not static, what once was might not be again and neither seem to grasp that and neither care that if their respective past in retrievable, that retrieving means destroying the current world. At the end of the day, both are willing to destroy a world that is foreign to them because they are stuck in the past.

[Hydwn]

I have seen you post before. I weep with joy to see the proper past participle of the ever more defunct intransitive English verb "lie" appropriately used.

 
Well, it's important to keep up appearances, since I have a degree in English

[leaguer of one]

Op. right after all of that Solas pops up and say everything is elven produced.

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

Seems to me that the Anchor get fixed to the first hand touch the Foci after it is opened. By the way, what kind of idiot design a magical artifact that destroy everything on 1km diameter when opened?

 

I thought the orb exploded because of all the surplus magical energy that had built up over the millenia? Which is why its...originator gave it to Cory - so as not to be right smack in the middle of the splash zone when that happened?

 

But yeah...one would think that installing some safeguards which would prevent such buildup happening in the first place (like, say, the orb being configured, for lack of a better word, to stop soaking up all that energy past a cataclysm-level saturation) should have been something of a concern on part of the initial creator of the orb. 

[Former_Fiend]

Way I figure it the orb probably contained the equivalent of a schematic for the anchor. So he crafted it in the same sense you craft anything in the undercroft; put it together from pre-existing plans.

 

That being said, going by the bad-future we see in the mage quest, Solas was probably wrong about the mark being fatal to anyone other than him. I say probably because that was only a year or so in the future, not the three years it took to become fatal for the Inquisitor. But if nothing else I doubt the mark would have killed him permanently. 

 

Solas is arrogant by nature and has a personal disdain for Corypheus, probably because Corypheus reminds him of himself in all the wrong ways. So it's in Solas' character to claim only he could have used the mark and Corypheus was doomed from the start. Establish any difference between them that he can, even if it is a fictional one.

[TraiHarder]

SOOOOOOO thought has anyone actually looked at this quote an thought about it?

 

He he says what you Flail at rifts, I created to assult the ver heavens.

 

Now look at this.

 

If Cory just wanted to open a rift big or strong enough just to go through to get to the fade then he coudl haev simply went through the first Huge rift that was created in the first place. But he doesnt he goes to try an retreive the anchor.

 

Is this because the Anchor wasnt created to just simply Open a rift but to acutally get to the City for one. An two to maybe open parts of the City they were not able to get to when Cory an the Gang first got to the City an walked it halls?

 

Anyone?

 

An yes Cory crafted the Anchor but as some said the Orb could have maybe just been a source of knowledge i dont believe the explosion was something that was intended at all. it could have just been because it didnt have enough magical energy transeffered into it when the Qizzy picked it up. Seeing as Cory was the only one that seemed to hold the orb without it exploding but one the Divine hit it an Quizzy picked it up Boom Bada Boom.

[Dai Grepher]

I actually think Solas is lying here (somewhat). Corypheus said what he had planned was years in the making. He knew what to do and how to do it. He went into it with knowledge of the anchor. It isn't something he discovered at the moment the orb was unlocked. He also knew about the side effect of... dying. Which is why he first had to get his body jump ability all set with the Wardens.

 

I think Solas doesn't need the anchor himself. I think his plan was to just use the orb. But he clearly knows how to control the magic emanating from the anchor.

 

Here's where I think Solas lied. He states that ultimately, no one but he could bear the mark an live. But clearly the Inquisitor was living with the anchor just fine after Solas stabilized it and the Herald (at the time) stabilized the breach. The mark was completely fine after the final battle, and even two years after that. It didn't start to act up until the Inquisitor started interacting with all the elven magic in the ruins, in the temples, and in the Fade. That energy is what destabilized the mark.

 

And obviously, anyone can bear the mark and live so long as you know the magic to control it. But to this point, Solas is right that ultimately none but he could have held the mark and lived since only he knew how to control the magic. But that doesn't mean Solas planned to create the anchor. He's just saying he's the only one who could master that magic. Now, perhaps he's honestly mistaken about even this, since Corypheus seemed pretty knowledgeable of what he was doing in creating the mark. But it's also possible he would have died and simply resurrected again and again until he figured out how to control the anchor.

[Aimi]

Cory is not confused like Sera about what the world should be.

this is not dishonesty

None of the characters we associate with are directly honest. Even Mother Gisselle slanders Dorian and won't confess her sources for fear they may incriminate her.

neither is this

and, y'know, there are other characters that associate with the Inquisitor that don't lie, like Cassandra, who hasn't got a dishonest bone in her body

Corypheus' honesty or dishonesty is impossible for the PC to falsify because he's the only person with autopsy of much of what he discusses, like the invasion of the Fade. He might be telling the truth; he might be telling the truth but as an unreliable narrator (so what he believes to be the truth, while sincerely believed, may be incorrect); he may be lying. It is impossible to know.

[Commander of the Grey]

I actually think Solas is lying here (somewhat). Corypheus said what he had planned was years in the making. He knew what to do and how to do it. He went into it with knowledge of the anchor. It isn't something he discovered at the moment the orb was unlocked. He also knew about the side effect of... dying. Which is why he first had to get his body jump ability all set with the Wardens.

I think Solas doesn't need the anchor himself. I think his plan was to just use the orb. But he clearly knows how to control the magic emanating from the anchor.

Here's where I think Solas lied. He states that ultimately, no one but he could bear the mark an live. But clearly the Inquisitor was living with the anchor just fine after Solas stabilized it and the Herald (at the time) stabilized the breach. The mark was completely fine after the final battle, and even two years after that. It didn't start to act up until the Inquisitor started interacting with all the elven magic in the ruins, in the temples, and in the Fade. That energy is what destabilized the mark.

And obviously, anyone can bear the mark and live so long as you know the magic to control it. But to this point, Solas is right that ultimately none but he could have held the mark and lived since only he knew how to control the magic. But that doesn't mean Solas planned to create the anchor. He's just saying he's the only one who could master that magic. Now, perhaps he's honestly mistaken about even this, since Corypheus seemed pretty knowledgeable of what he was doing in creating the mark. But it's also possible he would have died and simply resurrected again and again until he figured out how to control the anchor.

Actually the anchor acts up just before Mother Giselle greets you at the beginning. Whether it's hinting that its been doing it for a while and Quiz hasn't said anything, or it's acting out because of what Solas is doing in the Crossroads.

Cole made a comment that gave me the willies while in the Darvaarad(sp?) when Quiz's hand gets pretty bad. Something along the lines of:

"It's because of the veil. It wants to go back but it's trapped on you. I don't know how to help. I'm sorry."

The murals throughout the Vir Dithara and the one referencing the titans shows a circle of light around Solas' left hand. I think the anchor is his personalized power, stored inside his orb for whenever he needs it with Cory just thinking he created it. Hence why only Solas can bear it and live. I also wouldn't be surprised if the anchor is how he created the veil in the first place.

Even some of his concept art and in game gloves have a special design on the palm of his hand.

[Ashaantha]

Actually the anchor acts up just before Mother Giselle greets you at the beginning. Whether it's hinting that its been doing it for a while and Quiz hasn't said anything, or it's acting out because of what Solas is doing in the Crossroads.

Cole made a comment that gave me the willies while in the Darvaarad(sp?) when Quiz's hand gets pretty bad. Something along the lines of:

"It's because of the veil. It wants to go back but it's trapped on you. I don't know how to help. I'm sorry."

The murals throughout the Vir Dithara and the one referencing the titans shows a circle of light around Solas' left hand. I think the anchor is his personalized power, stored inside his orb for whenever he needs it with Cory just thinking he created it. Hence why only Solas can bear it and live. I also wouldn't be surprised if the anchor is how he created the veil in the first place.

Even some of his concept art and in game gloves have a special design on the palm of his hand.

 

Also if you read Sera's journal thing right at the start before anything starts (Trespasser) she's written "don't mention how bad his/her hand looks. It looks really bad"

I guess off everything shown that Inky's hand is not going well at all during the two years, possibly even from the moment he/she got the anchor and it's just been delayed.

 

edit: And Inky's possible comment "it's been under control for years". under control.. not fine.. not never acted up. Under control.

[Commander of the Grey]

Also if you read Sera's journal thing right at the start before anything starts (Trespasser) she's written "don't mention how bad his/her hand looks. It looks really bad"
I guess off everything shown that Inky's hand is not going well at all during the two years, possibly even from the moment he/she got the anchor and it's just been delayed.

edit: And Inky's possible comment "it's been under control for years". under control.. not fine.. not never acted up. Under control.

Ah yes~ I'd forgotten about that one. I also liked Cole's mention of 'pulsing with a heartbeat that isn't yours'. Solas' statement that he would've used the mark tells me that he already knew his foci could create it in the first place. If his orb hadn't been destroyed, I'm sure he would have absorbed the anchor back if possible and continued on with his plans. Hence his heartbroken "It wasn't supposed to happen this way."

Cory tried to remove it and failed but it was also glowing with his tainted magic at the time so that may have hindered him.

And I wouldn't put it past sneaky, manipulative Solas to have his agents drop plenty of hints/knowledge in Cory's path over those years to help urge things along even more.

[Rekkampum]

I'd say the only thing Corypheus crafted was the ritual involving the orb, but the orb and its nature are undoubtedly elvhen; those Vints of course, built their empire on the magic of the elvhen before them. It's worth noting that Corypheus, despite performing the ritual that accidentally gave the Inquisitor its power, couldn't remove it because he obviously didn't have the knowledge - or power - necessary to do so.

Spoiler

Solas, on the other hand, removed it effortlessly once he became stronger and saved the Inquisitor's life.

[nightscrawl]

I'd say the only thing Corypheus crafted was the ritual involving the orb, but the orb and its nature are undoubtedly elvhen; those Vints of course, built their empire on the magic of the elvhen before them. It's worth noting that Corypheus, despite performing the ritual that accidentally gave the Inquisitor its power, couldn't remove it because he obviously didn't have the knowledge - or power - necessary to do so.

Spoiler

Solas, on the other hand, removed it effortlessly once he became stronger and saved the Inquisitor's life.

 

Spoiler

From the way that scene was constructed I thought that Solas temporarily quieted the Anchor and the Inquisitor voluntarily had their hand removed later on because Solas says that they won't last much longer.