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[TraiHarder]

I dont believe I've ever stubbled across any ancient text discribing how the Magisters got to the City the first time. Seeing as Cory needed the Anchor this time around to open a way to the City. Why wouldnt he just do whatever it was they had to do last time. Maybe it required multiple people to open a way all with great power. It just always bothered me as to why he wouldnt just do they did before. Thoughts?

[solomon.kosin]

As far as I remember there were some codexes about how they got there. It required united efforts of all 7 magisters and Cory was their leader. It also took a lot of lyrium and blood sacrifices.

I think that Cory wanted to get to Fade alone, meaning he wouldn't share neither his knowledge nor the power with anyone.

Or, which is also likely, opening the Veil with anchor is simply easier and requires less magical efforts.

[nightscrawl]

During the Fade sequence there is a codex from a slave of Corypheus describing how he's preparing for some grand ritual that is going to use the blood of several slaves.
 

Master unveiled a new altar. It stands higher than a man, like a great statue, and great spikes jut out from its length, hungry for blood. Master calls it "the Claw of Dumat" and says that the altar will help bring Tevinter to glory. I praised it, as was expected, and Master smiled. It was good to see him smile again. He has been fearful of late, vexed by the loss of followers. He has met with the other priests, and in secret, I have heard them discussing ways to return the people of Tevinter to the ways of the Old Gods, as is only just.
 
He spoke to me later in the day, and asked that I call him Corypheus, as it was the name he would take for himself after a ritual. Master - now Corypheus - told me that my people, the elves of old, were tied to the Fade, and that in order to carry out the will of Dumat, he would need to call upon the magic that lives in our blood.
 
Corypheus told me to gather all of the elven servants and bring them to the western hall of our home at midnight. That is the hall where the Claw of Dumat is now kept. There are shackles across the top of the great altar, and pools lined with runes beneath the claws.
 
I have sent my wife and children away, but have not warned the others. A few I may save. If I tried to save us all, we would only be killed in some other way, and others would die in our place.
 
Master once laughed and joked. He could be stern, but he was not a cruel man. The weakening of the temples brought fear into his heart, and that fear has changed him. The cuts upon his arms are deeper and longer where he used his blood magic more often. He speaks to his wife little. He listens only to the voices in his dreams.

It is almost midnight. The Claw of Dumat, great and spiked and merciless, is all my mind can see. I must gather the others. My family is safe. Corypheus will take me, but not those I love.
 
- Words somehow preserved in blood at the statue's base

[TraiHarder]

During the Fade sequence there is a codex from a slave of Corypheus describing how he's preparing for some grand ritual that is going to use the blood of several slaves.
 

 

 

As far as I remember there were some codexes about how they got there. It required united efforts of all 7 magisters and Cory was their leader. It also took a lot of lyrium and blood sacrifices.

I think that Cory wanted to get to Fade alone, meaning he wouldn't share neither his knowledge nor the power with anyone.

Or, which is also likely, opening the Veil with anchor is simply easier and requires less magical efforts.

 

I remember the Slave sacrifices an stuff but still doesn't tell us what they actually did to get past the veil ya know.

 

But then Solas does confirm at the beginning of the game with enough Magical energy anyone could make things go boom an rip open the veil.

[Rascoth]

Pretty much what others said.

Plus, I have a feeling that whatever Old Gods are/were, they were still around at that time, so they might have helped.

 

But then Solas does confirm at the beginning of the game with enough Magical energy anyone could make things go boom an rip open the veil.

I believe we had a case of 'too much magic, Veil ripped' before. Remember Soldier's Peak?

[Gervaise]

For some reason large amounts of deaths in an area causes a weakening of the Veil.    The poet tree said something about this relating to the Brecillian Forest was there was a major battle.   Hence all the silvans.   Same was true on Sundermount.

 

So a huge blood sacrifice such as Cory and his pals made would be sufficient not just to weaken the veil but actually break through.   Add in they also utilised huge amounts of lyrium and it was almost certain that they would do so.   

[renfrees]

From the codex entry: The Cardinal Rules of Magic:

"Only once has this barrier been overcome, and reputedly the spell required two-thirds of the lyrium in the Tevinter Imperium as well as the lifeblood of several hundred slaves. The results were utterly disastrous."

[nightscrawl]

^ I wouldn't take something like that as gospel, particularly the remark about "two-thirds of the lyrium in the Tevinter Imperium," as historians have been known to exaggerate for their own reasons, or even out of ignorance in repeating something someone else said. I'm not saying that remark is wrong, or even that they didn't use a ton of lyrium, but that does seem a tad hyperbolic; hence the word "reputedly."

[TraiHarder]

Pretty much what others said.

Plus, I have a feeling that whatever Old Gods are/were, they were still around at that time, so they might have helped.

 

I believe we had a case of 'too much magic, Veil ripped' before. Remember Soldier's Peak?

I do not sadly its been awhile lol.

 

An the Old Gods were definitely around at the time we know that for sure since they were doing this for them under their names.

[Wulfram]

Sacrificing minions, is there any problem it can't solve?

[TraiHarder]

From the codex entry: The Cardinal Rules of Magic:

"Only once has this barrier been overcome, and reputedly the spell required two-thirds of the lyrium in the Tevinter Imperium as well as the lifeblood of several hundred slaves. The results were utterly disastrous."

AHHHHH THANK YOU. I knew there was something I remember about how they did it but I haven't returned to the rules of magic seeing as they seem to like to be broken lol.

 

^ I wouldn't take something like that as gospel, particularly the remark about "two-thirds of the lyrium in the Tevinter Imperium," as historians have been known to exaggerate for their own reasons, or even out of ignorance in repeating something someone else said. I'm not saying that remark is wrong, or even that they didn't use a ton of lyrium, but that does seem a tad hyperbolic; hence the word "reputedly."

Yea I'm with you on that seeing as we have Eluvians that can teleport us great distances but only if there is another so I guess there is is some truth to no teleportation beyond that.

[TraiHarder]

Sacrificing minions, is there any problem it can't solve?

 

Diarrhea I believe. I'm pretty sure I saw it in a codex once like the extension to the rules of magic.

 

" One may not stop the endless stream of waste that comes from ones body. You must simply eat spindleweed to hasten the process. For magic has its limits."

 

I'm pretty sure those were the exact words.

[Rascoth]

I do not sadly its been awhile lol.

 

An the Old Gods were definitely around at the time we know that for sure since they were doing this for them under their names.

Heh. Point is, we had ripped Veil before.

 

I know, I know. I put that wrong way *facepalm*

"Plus, I have a feeling that whatever Old Gods are/were, they might have helped (they were still around at that time)."

It should be like that.

[TraiHarder]

Heh. Point is, we had ripped Veil before.

 

I know, I know. I put that wrong way *facepalm*

"Plus, I have a feeling that whatever Old Gods are/were, they might have helped (they were still around at that time)."

It should be like that.

Ah lol Gotcha now. It would be interesting to see if they did aid them in some way. An why they wanted them to get tot eh city in the first place. I have my theory but who knows.

[myahele]

I think one possibility is they were able to forcefully activate an Eluvian and direct it into the Golden City.

 

We see that it' for possible for Kieran (who has Urthemiel) to activate his mom's eluvian and direct it into the Fade so maybe that much lyrium + elves can replicate it?

[TraiHarder]

As far as I remember there were some codexes about how they got there. It required united efforts of all 7 magisters and Cory was their leader. It also took a lot of lyrium and blood sacrifices.

I think that Cory wanted to get to Fade alone, meaning he wouldn't share neither his knowledge nor the power with anyone.

Or, which is also likely, opening the Veil with anchor is simply easier and requires less magical efforts.

 

 

During the Fade sequence there is a codex from a slave of Corypheus describing how he's preparing for some grand ritual that is going to use the blood of several slaves.
 

 

 

Pretty much what others said.

Plus, I have a feeling that whatever Old Gods are/were, they were still around at that time, so they might have helped.

 

I believe we had a case of 'too much magic, Veil ripped' before. Remember Soldier's Peak?

 

 

From the codex entry: The Cardinal Rules of Magic:

"Only once has this barrier been overcome, and reputedly the spell required two-thirds of the lyrium in the Tevinter Imperium as well as the lifeblood of several hundred slaves. The results were utterly disastrous."

 

 

Sacrificing minions, is there any problem it can't solve?

 

HAHA While talking to Solas again. I forgot he says he doesn't practice blood magic because its makes it harder for on to go to the Fade when using blood magic.

 

So one would think using as much blood magic as they did it would be extremely hard for them to enter the fade right?

 

Or was Solas being a Witch an lying to us?

[Beomer]

The World of Thedas vol 2 has a whole poem on it. Dumat first speaks to Sethius in his dreams, who goes to the Architect who has also been spoken to by Urthmiel in his dreams. Together they all sort of get together and sacrifice a lot of slaves on an immense scale. With the power of blood magic they open a path to the city.

[Rascoth]

HAHA While talking to Solas again. I forgot he says he doesn't practice blood magic because its makes it harder for on to go to the Fade when using blood magic.

 

So one would think using as much blood magic as they did it would be extremely hard for them to enter the fade right?

 

Or was Solas being a Witch an lying to us?

I do believe he refers to entering the Fade in the dream. As Magisters wanted to enter the Fade physically, blood magic was reasonable choice, since "blood magic allows the Veil to be opened completely" (from Codex entry: Blood Magic: The Forbidden School).

[TraiHarder]

I do believe he refers to entering the Fade in the dream. As Magisters wanted to enter the Fade physically, blood magic was reasonable choice, since "blood magic allows the Veil to be opened completely" (from Codex entry: Blood Magic: The Forbidden School).

 

He just said blood magic makes it harder to enter the fade. The easiest way to enter the fade is through ones dreams so if using blood magic would make it harder in that sense wouldn't it make it extremely hard to go in physically.

 

But maybe all that was needed was for them to overpower the veil. So I guess blood magic would do the trick.

[TraiHarder]

The World of Thedas vol 2 has a whole poem on it. Dumat first speaks to Sethius in his dreams, who goes to the Architect who has also been spoken to by Urthmiel in his dreams. Together they all sort of get together and sacrifice a lot of slaves on an immense scale. With the power of blood magic they open a path to the city.

 

I know what they did. The question is how did they actually enter the fade.

• Did they just rip open the veil an walk through.
• Did they Open a portal somehow
• Like one person commented did they maybe force a Eluvian open.  

[Shadow Quickpaw]

There is also a lot of evidence (mostly found in codex entries mind, but evidence nonetheless) That the site of the magisters' ritual to physically enter the fade was in Kirkwall. This would explain why magical corruption is more common there than anywhere else (from both demons and mages) and why Corypheaous was imprisoned within striking distance.

[Beomer]

 

I know what they did. The question is how did they actually enter the fade.

• Did they just rip open the veil an walk through.
• Did they Open a portal somehow
• Like one person commented did they maybe force a Eluvian open.  

 

 

I don't think that's specified anywhere. I'm guessing they tore the veil open because up until Trespasser, Eluvians weren't available a dime a dozen. They seem to be well hidden in relatively inaccessible places.

Plus as is clear from DAI, using an Eluvian is the secondary route. Cory tries to go through by creating a rift first. When that fails he decides to use an Eluvian.

[TraiHarder]

There is also a lot of evidence (mostly found in codex entries mind, but evidence nonetheless) That the site of the magisters' ritual to physically enter the fade was in Kirkwall. This would explain why magical corruption is more common there than anywhere else (from both demons and mages) and why Corypheaous was imprisoned within striking distance.

 

What codex are these you speak of hmmmmmm?

 

An you forget they had to most likely go back to where ever Dumants Place was which I woudlnt believe would be near Kirkwall seeing as he was the first Old God.I would believe they had questions an went to go see him but didn't know the Taint would spread to him an take him over like it did.

[TraiHarder]

I don't think that's specified anywhere. I'm guessing they tore the veil open because up until Trespasser, Eluvians weren't available a dime a dozen. They seem to be well hidden in relatively inaccessible places.

Plus as is clear from DAI, using an Eluvian is the secondary route. Cory tries to go through by creating a rift first. When that fails he decides to use an Eluvian.

 

Well you have to remember tons of Elves were the Tevinters Slave I wouldn't be surprised if some of the elves lead them to Eluvians to trade for their freedom maybe?

 

An I only believe maybe he went rift first because It was the knowledge that was present to him at the time. It would have maybe took to long to try to find another Eluvain. He doesn't speak of the Anchor as if it was something he had created before. An if creating a rift was his plan then why not just pass through the first rift that was made right?

 

SO STAY WITH ME NOW

 

maybe the Anchor wasn't forged to create rifts but to Open the City or something. Because says you what you flail at rifts, I forged to assault the very heavens. Heavens most likely meaning The City So many there was a part of the City that was not accessible to them while they were there.

[Rascoth]

What codex are these you speak of hmmmmmm?

I think I know which one Shadow Quickpaw is talking about. At least two of them. Codex entry: The Enigma of Kirkwall and Codex entry: Speculations on Kirkwall.