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[Felis Menari]

I went after the templars instead of mages in my second run through the game; I just finished (minus Trespasser). That is the one and only thing I did differently that should impact the divine election, compared to my first run through the game where Leliana became divine (which was my intention). I made all of the usual pro mage choices, so does recruiting the templars really lock out Leliana as a divine choice? Regardless, I got screwed with Vivienne as my divine this run (worst possible outcome in my mind).

As such, I have no choice but to label the system that determines who becomes divine as absolutely terrible. I don't have a save far back enough to at least try and get Cassandra as divine, so now I feel like this entire playthrough, in a way, is ******. Well, looks like I'm never recruiting the templars again....ugh.

[thats1evildude]

What were your other major choices? Also, were all your dialogue choices the same? The Inquisitor's words matter.

[Felis Menari]

What were your other major choices? Also, were all your dialogue choices the same? The Inquisitor's words matter.

The only thing I can think of that may have been different was being less harsh on the chantry during dialogue this time; that's it. So apparently if I want Leliana as divine (especially after recruiting the templars), I have to bash the chantry every chance I get, even if it's uncalled for. Ugh...it's gonna be an age and a half now before I fix my mistake of hardening Leliana on my first playthrough.

[thats1evildude]

Yes, criticizing the Chantry assists with Leliana's election, as does letting the Wardens stay in Orlais and supporting Briala.

Also, did you recruit the templars as free allies or conscript them? The latter counts more for Leliana's election.

[Boost32]

You allird with the templars, Celene on the throne and let the Grey Wardens stay right?

And without being harsh with the Chantry, Leliana didn't get enough points to be Divine.

[caradoc2000]

And there is hardly a need to complain anyway. Vivienne is by far the best choice for the Divine.

[Bleachrude]

I honestly think the divine decision was partly stupid and partly decent. 

 

I HATE the wish fulfilment where the PC basically reshapes the society so easily as in a lot of ways, it devalues in my mind how "serious" I should take the situation in the first place so I'm glad in a way that we don't directly install the Divine but at the same time, I hate how we can unintentionally install a Divine without knowing it.

[Arlee]

I went after the templars instead of mages in my second run through the game; I just finished (minus Trespasser). That is the one and only thing I did differently that should impact the divine election, compared to my first run through the game where Leliana became divine (which was my intention). I made all of the usual pro mage choices, so does recruiting the templars really lock out Leliana as a divine choice? Regardless, I got screwed with Vivienne as my divine this run (worst possible outcome in my mind).

 

Nah I had a PT where I allied with the Templars and Leliana was made Divine. I also didn't exile the Grey Wardens, reunited Celene & Briala, supported mage freedom and criticized the chantry in convo options, and of course told Leliana I would support her for Divine.

[Dabrikishaw]

They're all the same now when it comes to the Mage-Templar debate, so no real loss. 

[katerinafm]

The divine selection is extremely difficult/annoying to control in this game, and doesn't make much sense. Not once have I been able to get Leliana as Divine, and I've gotten Vivienne even in a playthrough where I don't even speak to her on the matter. Certain dialogue choices affecting the divine selection are pretty silly, but unfortunately if you want to really control who becomes Divine you will have to micromanage it. Search for the divine selection in the dragon age wiki to see how the divine 'points' are gathered. I'm pretty sure Leliana is the most bugged in becoming DIvine since apparently you have to be careful about WHEN you talk to people as well as your major choices.

If I don't get her as Divine with my current playthrough as an elf AGAIN I will just give up on trying to get the divine I want for each of my characters and just change it in the Keep .

[Xilizhra]

The divine selection is extremely difficult/annoying to control in this game, and doesn't make much sense. Not once have I been able to get Leliana as Divine, and I've gotten Vivienne even in a playthrough where I don't even speak to her on the matter. Certain dialogue choices affecting the divine selection are pretty silly, but unfortunately if you want to really control who becomes Divine you will have to micromanage it. Search for the divine selection in the dragon age wiki to see how the divine 'points' are gathered. I'm pretty sure Leliana is the most bugged in becoming DIvine since apparently you have to be careful about WHEN you talk to people as well as your major choices.

If I don't get her as Divine with my current playthrough as an elf AGAIN I will just give up on trying to get the divine I want for each of my characters and just change it in the Keep .

Er, what have you been doing for you to never be able to get her as Divine?

[katerinafm]

Er, what have you been doing for you to never be able to get her as Divine?

I've done a bunch of variations. First PT where I wanted her as Divine I freed the mages and kept Celene on the throne with a peaceful alliance, kept the Wardens too. Got Cassandra instead. Second PT I kept the templars together, put Gaspard on the throne and sent the Wardens away. Got Vivienne, not surprising and for once I wanted it . Third PT got Vivienne again without even talking to her by keeping the mages 'on a leash', keeping Celene with reuinited Briala on the throne, kept the Wardens. Now in this PT with my elf I'm trying to micromanage it as much as possible in order to finally be able to get Leliana at least once. So far I have disbanded the templars, put Briala in power with Gaspard and I plan on sendng away the Wardens.

[Xilizhra]

I've done a bunch of variations. First PT where I wanted her as Divine I freed the mages and kept Celene on the throne with a peaceful alliance, kept the Wardens too. Got Cassandra instead. Second PT I kept the templars together, put Gaspard on the throne and sent the Wardens away. Got Vivienne, not surprising and for once I wanted it . Third PT got Vivienne again without even talking to her by keeping the mages 'on a leash', keeping Celene with reuinited Briala on the throne, kept the Wardens. Now in this PT with my elf I'm trying to micromanage it as much as possible in order to finally be able to get Leliana at least once. So far I have disbanded the templars, put Briala in power with Gaspard and I plan on sendng away the Wardens.

What conversations have you been having? I've never had problems with Leliana myself, so this strikes me as somewhat strange (I would advise keeping the Wardens, though, as that choice bolsters Leliana).

[Forsythia77]

Nah I had a PT where I allied with the Templars and Leliana was made Divine. I also didn't exile the Grey Wardens, reunited Celene & Briala, supported mage freedom and criticized the chantry in convo options, and of course told Leliana I would support her for Divine.

 

Similarly I had a run where I went free mages and Viv was Divine.  So yeah, words matter.

[katerinafm]

What conversations have you been having? I've never had problems with Leliana myself, so this strikes me as somewhat strange (I would advise keeping the Wardens, though, as that choice bolsters Leliana).

I don't remember the conversations I've had specifically (not to mention I find it frustrating that I have to be careful about each dialogue choice in specific conversations that shouldn't affect the divine selection realistically). I have been mindful not to support any other Divine in convo in any way, but I've done this in previous Pt as well and I haven't seen a difference. From looking at the wiki, it appears my main problem is that I get everything else done quickly and talk with everyone else before Leliana's final quest triggers. Last time I got her quest very late in the game like before the final mission or something, and I suspect it had something to do with that. The wiki also says that sometimes the game just bugs out and picks the wrong divine for no apparent reason, and I wouldn't be surprised if I've just been unlucky in that regard. But meh. I'm using the wiki alongside this PT and if I don't get her again I'm just givine up

[thesuperdarkone2]

I don't remember the conversations I've had specifically (not to mention I find it frustrating that I have to be careful about each dialogue choice in specific conversations that shouldn't affect the divine selection realistically). I have been mindful not to support any other Divine in convo in any way, but I've done this in previous Pt as well and I haven't seen a difference. From looking at the wiki, it appears my main problem is that I get everything else done quickly and talk with everyone else before Leliana's final quest triggers. Last time I got her quest very late in the game like before the final mission or something, and I suspect it had something to do with that. The wiki also says that sometimes the game just bugs out and picks the wrong divine for no apparent reason, and I wouldn't be surprised if I've just been unlucky in that regard. But meh. I'm using the wiki alongside this PT and if I don't get her again I'm just givine up

To be safe NEVER say cass ideas are good or that she would make a good divine as they drastically ad points towards her.

[Iakus]

I went after the templars instead of mages in my second run through the game; I just finished (minus Trespasser). That is the one and only thing I did differently that should impact the divine election, compared to my first run through the game where Leliana became divine (which was my intention). I made all of the usual pro mage choices, so does recruiting the templars really lock out Leliana as a divine choice? Regardless, I got screwed with Vivienne as my divine this run (worst possible outcome in my mind).

As such, I have no choice but to label the system that determines who becomes divine as absolutely terrible. I don't have a save far back enough to at least try and get Cassandra as divine, so now I feel like this entire playthrough, in a way, is ******. Well, looks like I'm never recruiting the templars again....ugh.

Allying with the mages heavily favors Leliana and strongly hampers Vivienne (+10/-10 points)

Conscripting the mages heavily favors VIvienne and strongly hampers Leliana (again +10/-10)

Allying with the Templars heavily favors Cassandra and moderately favors Vivienne (+10/+5)

Conscripting the Templars doesn't strongly favor anyone, but does toss a moderate amount of points to Cassandra, and moderately hampers Vivienne (+5/-5)

[Arlee]

Similarly I had a run where I went free mages and Viv was Divine.  So yeah, words matter.

 

Oh, that's interesting. One of my free mages PTs was Cass and the other was Leliana, I've never actually gotten Viv as Divine, though I really prefer her to not be Divine so that has a lot to do with it. Though since Leliana doesn't mention anything about it at the party every time I have gotten her I've freaked out a bit thinking maybe this time I ended up with Viv lol

[Ryzaki]

They're all the same now when it comes to the Mage-Templar debate, so no real loss. 

 

All that metagaming I did for it not to matter in the end.

 

FFS.

[Felis Menari]

Yes, criticizing the Chantry assists with Leliana's election, as does letting the Wardens stay in Orlais and supporting Briala.

Also, did you recruit the templars as free allies or conscript them? The latter counts more for Leliana's election.

I allied with the templars. I was of the mind set to build them back up as the ideal that those like Ser Barris strive for. So in being nice, I unknowingly screwed myself. Gotta love the transparency there, lol. I let the wardens stay, and reunited Celene and Briala.

I made pro-mage dialogue choices too. The only thing I didn't do as much as I did in my first playthrough was bash the chantry in dialogue. And realistically, dialogue with inner circle allies should not affect the divine decision like it does. It should have been left up to who the Inquisitor actively supports.

@caradoc2000: That's your opinion. For some folks (like me), Vivenne is absolutely the worst divine to get (at least based on the vanilla ending epilogue). And from what little I've spoiled myself with reading up on divine related Tresspasser stuff, Vivienne is kind of a **** when you actually see her as divine in Tresspasser. So, my point still stands; I got screwed.

[Boost32]

I allied with the templars. I was of the mind set to build them back up as the ideal that those like Ser Barris strive for. So in being nice, I unknowingly screwed myself. Gotta love the transparency there, lol. I let the wardens stay, and reunited Celene and Briala.
I made pro-mage dialogue choices too. The only thing I didn't do as much as I did in my first playthrough was bash the chantry in dialogue. And realistically, dialogue with inner circle allies should not affect the divine decision like it does. It should have been left up to who the Inquisitor actively supports.
@caradoc2000: That's your opinion. For some folks (like me), Vivenne is absolutely the worst divine to get (at least based on the base ending epilogue). And from what little I've spoiled myself with reading up on divine related Tresspasser stuff, Vivienne is kind of a **** when you actually see her as divine in Tresspasser. So, my point still stands; I got screwed.

Did you choose "I'll set an example as a mage." when you become the Inquisitor?
Its seem you just chose a lot of options that favor Vivienne or the options take only 1 point from her, so its works as it was planned.

When you allied with the mages, the choice have Leliana +10 and Vivienne -10, but when you chose the templars it gave Leliana -1 and Vivienne +5.
You cant cry at all.

[Felis Menari]

Did you choose "I'll set an example as a mage." when you become the Inquisitor?
Its seem you just chose a lot of options that favor Vivienne or the options take only 1 point from her, so its works as it was planned.

When you allied with the mages, the choice have Leliana +10 and Vivienne -10, but when you chose the templars it gave Leliana -1 and Vivienne +5.
You cant cry at all.

Valid points have already been brought up about how janky the divine selection system is. So, this is actually you defending a broken system here.

[Boost32]

Valid points have already been brought up about how janky the divine selection system is. So, this is actually you defending a broken system here.

Its not broken, you made the decisions that gave more points to Vivienne and she got elected, it is working just fine.
You can change it in the Keep for the next game.

[Bleachrude]

The point Boost32 is that it shouldn't work like that in the first place.

 

Personally, I don't think ANY of them work as the Divine and the reasoning for looking outside of the surviving mothers is weak (deadlock yet they can agree on choosing those 3?). Not one of them can even lead a congregation and just as importantly, only one of them would be known that well to those actually selecting the Divine.

 

Cassandra I can see MAYBE since as the hero of Orlais, she's ALREADY known as the saviour of the chantry and was the left hand of 2 Divines so at least people would know about her thus I can see how she (cassandra) would have the support of the orlesian mothers and as a Penteghast, I can see the Neverran mothers throwing their support behind her and with such a block, I can see Cassandra being a possible choice.

 

But Leliana who in many a playthrough could either be dead or have never been recruited by the Hero of Ferelden? And Vivenne needs no explanation as to why her choice is so weird...

[Forsythia77]

Oh, that's interesting. One of my free mages PTs was Cass and the other was Leliana, I've never actually gotten Viv as Divine, though I really prefer her to not be Divine so that has a lot to do with it. Though since Leliana doesn't mention anything about it at the party every time I have gotten her I've freaked out a bit thinking maybe this time I ended up with Viv lol

 

I have a game right now with mages, but with war table missions to support both Cass and Viv.  I think the mages are free (it's been awhile, but my Quizzy is a mage so generally when I mage I go free mages).  No war table mission for Leliana.  I don't think I'm going to do either.  I think I'm just going to let the chips fall where they may and see who ends up Divine.  Kept the Wardens and Gaspard is Briala's puppet.