@Natuureguy85 So you can't have neither of them?
Correct. You need the help of one or the other to get to Fist and they will stay on after that. As themikefest said and I alluded to, you can still kill Wrex on Virmire if you recruit Liara first, and then be without either from that point on.
I mainly choose Ashley over Kaiden and FemShep over male Shep purely due to the voice acting. I've tried playing as male Shep and tried saving Kaiden a few times and I just can't do it. FemShep has more emotion in her voice and it feels more genuine with her. Her voice accents the "right" parts of speech, "right" meaning it sounds right to my ear. Her voice has more character. Male Shep is way too monotone. Kaiden's voice is too nasally and comes of a bit whiney to me.
I saved Ashley in every ME1 run I played, and that was in no small part due to fraternizing with her (hence the rules).
Kaidan is as whiny as Ash is racist, which in my opinion is not so much for either of them. If I wanted to draw distinctions between them, where I would really start is to say that Kaidan is more interested in being diplomatic and is more likely to be indecisive, whereas Ash is more impulsive and less interested in appearing diplomatic.
Overall, I actually enjoy Ashley's character in ME1 more than Kaidan's, and she went out on missions with me more often, though for the side mission stuff it was often the two of them. But, in the end, what really killed Kaidan was me sticking to the setup where the bomb site is always left to the tech to get it done and blow it all to hell, and I always thought Kaidan made the better fit to see to it.
Unfortunately, the reality is that Ashley gets the short end of the stick between the two in ME3. Kaidan clearly has more content and more meaningful conversations once he becomes a member of the crew again. Also, he interacts with the crew more often, going down to the engineering deck to talk to Adams to playing cards with James. Ashley's dialogue is so anemic that I can often forget that she's on the ship, especially since, unlike the rest of the crew, she never really goes anywhere or talks to anyone.
I think ME3 needed a few Ashley or Kaiden stories in there somewhere to justify their nomination as a Specter. Fanfics to the rescue for that.
I always took that for one of Udina's schemes.
I chose Ashley not because I had something against Kaidan but because I thought it was cute and friendly the way she and my femshep talked to each other. I don't know, the way femshep used to say "dismissed chief" and Ashley's "ma am" made me somehow feel a deeper connection with her than with Kaidan.
Well, this and some funny comments Ashley used to make in ME1. I can't remember Kaidan making me laugh, though.
Recently I decided to give Kaidan a chance in ME3, I'm just in the beginning but so far he seems to be a little more friendly than Ashley..
What would've helped Ashley/Kaidan, at least in ME2, was to have them join Shepard on a mission. Arrival would've been good for that. Ashley/Kaidan rescue Shepard after being knocked out for two days. Once rescued, they fight through the baddies, talk with Harbinger and then get on the Normandy before the asteroid hits the relay
What would've helped Ashley/Kaidan, at least in ME2, was to have them join Shepard on a mission. Arrival would've been good for that. Ashley/Kaidan rescue Shepard after being knocked out for two days. Once rescued, they fight through the baddies, talk with Harbinger and then get on the Normandy before the asteroid hits the relay
Stop breaking my heart with wonderful ideas that will never come true! (I'm kidding. Please, continue. I'll just be sitting over there in the corner and sulking over the lost opportunity a bit.)
In the end, I would guess I would choose Ashley just to avoid potential romancing just by being nice. I have played Femshep since my first playthrough of ME1 and never looked back, but sometimes it's hard to know what's going to happen when you talk to the various people. At least Ash is totally safe as a "friend", which you can become in ME3 if you are quite a forgiving person.
Stop breaking my heart with wonderful ideas that will never come true! (I'm kidding. Please, continue. I'll just be sitting over there in the corner and sulking over the lost opportunity a bit.)
Wasted potential, thy name is Mass Effect. Although there was a lot in DA2 as well.
Here's another one.
Instead of Jenkins being killed at the beginning of ME1, he just heads back awaiting pickup after meeting Ashley. After Eden Prime he tells you he's been transferred to another unit. Ashley/Kaidan don't get injured on Mars and remain as a squadmate throughout the whole game. During the Citadel coup, its Jenkins that Shepard faces instead of Ashley/Kaidan
Here's another one.
Instead of Jenkins being killed at the beginning of ME1, he just heads back awaiting pickup after meeting Ashley. After Eden Prime he tells you he's been transferred to another unit. Ashley/Kaidan don't get injured on Mars and remain as a squadmate throughout the whole game. During the Citadel coup, its Jenkins that Shepard faces instead of Ashley/Kaidan
While it would trigger thoughts of "Wait, what? This guy?" that would actually be a cool call back to the first game.
While it would trigger thoughts of "Wait, what? This guy?" that would actually be a cool call back to the first game.
The game could get Shepard meeting Jenkins on the Citadel after meeting with the council. Jenkins explains he's been assigned security for Udina explaining why he's protecting Udina and the other council members when Shepard encounters him during the coup
lol i like the vanilla/chocolate post.
made the most sense. the rest are just opinions skewed to who you like just because you like. ashley and kaidan would both be good spectres in different ways; they would fail in ways different from each other but also they both would succeed in ways different from each other as a spectre.
deal with it.
lol i like the vanilla/chocolate post.
made the most sense. the rest are just opinions skewed to who you like just because you like. ashley and kaidan would both be good spectres in different ways; they would fail in ways different from each other but also they both would succeed in ways different from each other as a spectre.
deal with it.
Yep, Kaiden would get shot in the back for being too trusting, Ashley would get killed by a Krogan for making a racist remark in Afterlife or somewhere like that.
Unless Shepard and co. act like total morons and shoot them over a door because they lack any sort of problem-solving skills and the only thing Shepard can ever do with Kaidan/Ashley is being like, "YOU HAVE TO TRUST ME BECAUSE WE ONCE KNEW EACH OTHER."
Also, this "too trusting" Kaidan leaves Shepard on Horizon because he doesn't trust Cerberus and he questions Shepard on Mars because he's not yet sure he can trust her. If you'd like a ME1 example, he's the one to ask you whether you're sure what you're doing when you make the paragon leap of faith with Kyle and his biotic sect, etc. Ah, well.
Okay, I give up with the "Ashley is a space racist" one. Ashley might not be the most open-minded person in Milky Way, but the way people make her into this huge xenophobe and religious zealot is... well, it makes me wonder whether we've played the same game.
Kaidan being too trusting makes me laugh XD i mean this is the same guy who gets angry on horizon and refuses to come with you when you ask, same guy who questions you on mars, annnddd also same guy who points a gun at you during the citadel coup when ur trying to shoot udina... So yeah this guy is definitely wayyy to trusting...
as for Ash bring space racist she had her reasons in ME1 as many have pointed out, just been a few years since the contact war, but the fact that she can actually work together with tali, liara,garrus and wrex and even make friends with them in her own little way yah definitely racist... and the fact she actually has character development in ME3 and grows as someone who cares for the alien crew definitely racist... 
Personally, I never view Ashley as racist and that is never the reason why I choose Kaidan over her. At best, she is ignorant but I get that her resentment was based on how she was being labelled as an 'alien sympathizer' in her entire life and in ME verse, humanity are still diverged about the alien issues (remember how popular Cerberus become and how many people willingly kill themselves for their cause) and people like Ashley are common... even Miranda and Jacob was distrusting with some of the alien crews you pick up and they merely view them as "asset to the team" rather than as people and they hardly interact with each other either.
For me, Garrus always struck me as the most bigoted of the crew, even more so than Ash. And yet, he never get labelled as a racist even though he is the one who is okay with genocide and the extinction of two species because they dared to defy the council. Everyone love to ignore how he aggravate Wrex purposely about how his people deserve the genophage TWICE and then later with Tali about how her people deserve being outcast and dying because they created the Geth. Then in ME3, he even whispered that he would take the Dalatrass deal if it wasn't his people that needed their help. Wrex is supposedly his buddy and if he had the chance, he would betray him because of his prejudice. I'm quite uncertain about why people would think a random comment about wondering if Keepers are aliens or animals as racist when we already have someone who justify the genocide of two species because they screwed up several hundreds years ago. Tolerance to genocide of any race is abhorrent and undeniably racist and is very real.
But its good that the writers did include them^ in the beginning but it was frustrating that this was being gloss over in the later installments because the character became favourites and they need people to buy they game. I don't think that was wrong for them but come on.. wouldn't it be nice if Garrus actually have a special scene at the Shroud, say the Dalatrass contacted him and he was the one who wanted to kill Mordin and Shepard had to guilt him out or let him or kill him. Potential drama....
I never understood this all " Ashley is racist! " bullshit. When I first played ME I was surprised that Shepard just allows all these aliens to free roam the ship. And they also had access to all critical systems. Dude, you just met them few minutes ago, how 'bout you'll take it slow, huh? That was just so damn stupid. It was Alliance vessel, her mistrust was perfectly understandable and I felt relieved when someone from the crew finally said my thoughts out loud.
From that moment, Ashley became my fav character in the entire Mass Effect. ( Too bad she was butchered in ME3, because her original writer left BioWare... )
Not to mention, she was right after all when she said that aliens eventually will ditch us, to save themselves. ( ME3, anyone? And Council? )
Hell, there are moments where you can't trust another human being, so why some people think they can trust ALIENS they barely know?
If someone was a bit racist in ME1, it was Garrus. His elevator comments with other teammates were pretty mean sometimes.
"Why i don't care why you chose Ashley over Kaidan" - different opinions, different tastes, different reasonings, moving on...
"Why i don't care why you chose Ashley over Kaidan" - different opinions, different tastes, different reasonings, moving on...
This is forum. People are here to discuss opinions, characters and all that stuff.
I think the war with the Turians happened around the time Ash was born, so she is reflecting what happened to her grandfather. I don't hate Germans because my grandfather fought in WW2.
Just finishing up ME3, I have the Cerberus Headquarters and the Citadel as my only two missions in my log right now. Using Citadel ending I will do the combat portion tonight, and then do the headquarters.
Ash is okay in ME3, but Kaidan is more fun. I haven't seen poker night happening, so I think Kaidan must be necessary for that (yes I run around the ship after every mission, even N7 ones). I think sending Ash to serve with Hackett would be my choice if I did it again, because that's a cool conversation after everything that has happened since you first saw them on Horizon.
Yeah, from what I hear, Kaidan has slightly more content than Ash, plus, he roams around the ship and talk with other people. It's sad that Ash was so ditched in ME3... I was so excited for her to come back and after that, I was little disappointed by her lack of content. But either way, I'd never kill her on Virimire or send her to Hackett. She's my DudeShep LI and my FemShep BFF.
Ash is okay in ME3, but Kaidan is more fun. I haven't seen poker night happening, so I think Kaidan must be necessary for that (yes I run around the ship after every mission, even N7 ones). I think sending Ash to serve with Hackett would be my choice if I did it again, because that's a cool conversation after everything that has happened since you first saw them on Horizon.
Yes, poker night is only with Kaidan, after resolving Rannoch I think.
The only interaction I can think of with Ash is when she drank with Vega, but instead of showing that, you get to see her lying on the floor with a hangover while James is cooking eggs.
I think many N7 ones have Cortez say something unique, at least that was my impression. But I actually also do the same, after every single mission. I love talking to my squad it seems
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