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[Vanilka]

The best chance to do this was with Admiral Daro'Xen. On Tali's loyalty mission in Mass Effect 2, Xen tells you that she wants to bring the Geth back as their servants; she wants to Control them. All they had to do was keep this central to that whole story arc. The three Quarian Admirals would reflect the three choices at the end. Garrel (Destroy), Xen (Control) and Korris (Peace, which is Synthesis because of Geth in Quarian suits.) could be looked back on when you make that final decision.

 

I'm still against Synthesis being an option at all. Unless it at least gets somewhat decent explanation and base in the lore/story. Green wave of space magic changing everybody's DNA and that way making them love one another and that somehow solves both the Reapers' aggression and the "inevitable" conflict with synthetics that we never had in the first place is far from satisfactory.

 

What you say is definitely an interesting concept, though. Ironic how I could eventually become Gerrel, the guy whom I punched in the unmentionables for not being able to follow a simple agreement, heh. I'd take it.

 

EDIT: We've totally hijacked the thread. Oops.

[Greetsme]

Playing through ME once more, and I am still unsure who I am going to send to their death this time.

[Natureguy85]

I went back and read the whole thread and found some things to comment on.

 

 

As for the promotions, I haven't yet grasped how ranks work in ME. I should check the wiki if it has anything. But I've heard people complaining about her having made a suspicious jump in ranks. I'm sure she deserved a promotion for her help with Saren and Horizon, but I still think that promotions usually go gradually and take time...? It's not like you can go from a grunt to an admiral because you did something awesome. Or so I would think.

 

Even with Kaidan I have a problem with how we are told and not shown about their development. While Kaidan does seem to progress at a strangely fast pace, he's at least an officer. Ashley not only is commissioned as an officer, but jumps several ranks to match Shepard's rank. This bothered me not only because I have no idea why she deserves it, but i saw it as a n attempt to have your companion mirror Shepard. It is the same reason I didn't like James being invited to N7. I asked "why?" and saw the mirroring.

 

 

Ashley might not have trusted you after you joined with Cerberus, I mean all their interactions are valid, I guess that's why they went that route, but the same freaking lines, like exactly the same! Kaidan might be all sensitive about missing you and whatever, that's not really in ME1 Ashley's wheelhouse. Like she's more soldiery and stoic. Basically, Tali, Liara, Garrus, all okay with you and Cerberus because they trust you implicitly. At least one of Ashley and Kaidan should have been written to walk a line between the two.

The absolute worst thing about Horizon though, is this time I went to the Citadel first, I normally don't (I have only played ME2 three times), and meet Anderson, became a Specter, got emails from Hackett...and you can't bring that up in the discussion? What?

 

Like when they say you betrayed the Alliance, you can't say...umm, actually...

 

Overall, eek.

 

There are two problems with Horizon, one on each side.

 

Shepard has horrible dialogue. He doesn't explain himself well and doesn't really explain that he died. Then again, the game forgets it often. Tali is the only one to react appropriately to seeing Shepard. Liara is relieved to see Shepard, but knew about him being alive already. Wrex and Garrus act like they just haven't seen you in awhile. Zaeed will say Shepard survived.

 

For the VS, the problem is that they don't trust Shepard at all and won't listen. I understand being wary or even mistrust, but it's over the top. I can roll with it a bit better if I chalk it up to hysteria though, and the email does help with that idea.

 

Now when it comes to who would be a better Spectre...

 

Let's say you have two employees. Employee A is fast and efficient at their job, but isn't so good at customer service and dealing with difficult people. Employee B is the best customer service rep on your team and they can handle difficult customers, but maybe they aren't as fast as your other employees (but they're still good at their job nonetheless).

They're both valued members of your team because they both excel in their own way and you can use them both in a variety of situations.

Now let's say you're looking to promote either Employee A or Employee B to be the manager of your company. The efficiency of Emloyee A is undeniable and you'd be lost without it, but you also know that people who are damn good at customer service are hard to find and Employee B represents your company better than anybody else on your team. Do you choose someone who can get the job done like no one else, or do you choose the person who paints a good picture of your company?

 

It depends on the job you're looking to fill. Specter is not a Customer Service position. That doesn't mean Kaidan isn't a good choice, but I think the analogy is flawed.

 

 

I hate the Horizon encounter because they did both characters great injustice. These people stood at our sides the whole first game and they did away with them like that in ME2. On the other hand, I can't help but agree with them in a way. The thing is,

 

• Shepard doesn't contact them and lets them believe she/he is dead (because the writing sucks).
• They find Shepard on Horizon, thus confirming rumours that Shepard is alive and works with Cerberus.
• Cerberus performed absolutely monstrous experiments throughout ME1.
• Cerberus is a terrorist organisation outlawed in Council Space.
• Joining Cerberus is an act of treason.
• So, technically, yeah, you're a traitor. You just don't realise it immediately because you have no choice and you know you have good intentions and you're doing good work. The VS doesn't have this kind of luxury. There's no way for them to confirm what you say is true. Shepard doesn't even try. And it's been long two years since they saw you last.
• Kaidan/Ashley are dealing with the Collector/Cerberus threat the best they can given the resources they have.
• Given the shock of meeting Shepard alive and with terrorists after they spent two years mourning and putting themselves together without Shepard letting them know -> they think Shepard didn't die at all because resurrecting people in MEU is not officially a thing -> they think Shepard avoided them, only to eventually get caught doing something worse than illegal -> which makes Shepard look more suspicious -> they're happy to see Shepard alive and well, but they have a small emotional explosion because of the circumstances of the encounter and they simply can't trust Shepard.
• They can't throw all their life and work behind the second Shepard appears and join them, even if they didn't hate Cerberus with passion. That would be stupid and careless. Hell, they might even have orders to arrest or kill Cerberus operatives they encounter. Moreover, Tali didn't join us right away, either. She joins you much later when she's done with her business and it might also be because you save her sorry ass from being overwhelmed by the geth. Notice Shepard can give her evidence it's truly Shepard and not a clone. Garrus had no choice because he would die otherwise. Shepard saves his sorry ass and Cerberus fixes it.

 

I think that, for all its lame writing and poor execution, the Virmire Survivor makes a lot of sense on Horizon. Both Ashley and Kaidan. I actually agree with them. My first reaction after Shepard woke up in ME2 was that I DON'T WANT TO WORK WITH CERBERUS and HOW DO I GET AWAY??? The first thing I did when I was able to roam around was report to Anderson and the Council. (Fun fact: My fav Shepard is Sole Surivor. Yup, the one Cerberus sent right to the thresher nest.) So I understand where the VS are coming from. I actually think it's a great moment for them when they finally stop being just sidekicks and become their own people.

BUT

The whole thing could still use a lot of improvements and Ashley/Kaidan definitely deserved better than be treated like one character. Shepard is written extremely poorly and produces barely any reaction to meeting them or explanation to anything. The whole thing doesn't make a lot of sense. The VS tells you they're there to investigate Cerberus, but they don't interrogate you, for example. As you say, you can't bring up that you were trying to contact them or that you talked with Anderson and Council and got your Spectre status back.

 

The whole thing with Horizon gave me the impression they just wanted to get rid of both characters and it makes me mad. I don't expect Shepard and Kaidan to bang behind the crates when they meet, but, hell, I do goddamn wish they got more love and care. I must say that, when I played this game for the first time and I romanced Kaidan, I was extremely disappointed by this. I was looking forward to meeting all Shepard's former friends and her love interest a great deal, only for the VS to get this kind of treatment and about five minutes of screen time in total. (They don't even get a file or a vid in the Lair of the Shadow Broker. Maddening!) Finding out that Kaidan and Ashley become one character felt so wrong. It still feels wrong. It's probably one of the reasons I might never let Ashley get past Virmire because it would feel weird for her to merely replace Kaidan, who I saved first, in some of the key events in the game instead of getting her own and altering the world state in her own way.

 

Frankly, yeah, the way Ash and Kaidan are treated is total bullshit and I hate it. On the other hand, I wouldn't dismiss their character development in ME2 and ME3 because of that. Their role in the game is, unfortunately, what it is. It's partly because BW is lazy and partly because they're forced to go through the same situations. (How would you react if your friend came back from the dead after two years? Would you welcome them with open arms or would you be suspicious? How would you react if you found out they worked with terrorists? Would you be understanding or disappointed? Etc.) What I'm trying to say, I guess, is that their similar reactions aren't that surprising and that their similar roles don't take away from their overall character development, in my opinion. They still have their own attitudes and other dialogues that show you what kind of mindset they have. I do wish each of them had a unique role in the game and I will forever hate that's not a thing. But that doesn't take away from the fact they can both handle themselves in the following games. It's in the game, so it's part of their characters whether we approve of it or not. It very much happens in the game and it very much happens to both characters.

 

I apologise for this massive wall of text. I have many feelings on the topic, apparently.

 

Yeah, it's hard to blame the VS when Shepard's dialogue is so bad first. I remember my first ME2 playthrough, where I'd romanced Ashley in ME1. The top option was basically, "hey, how are you? It's been too long," as if they simply hadn't seen each other in awhile.

 

 

I think he did that for self-preservation. (I might be wrong.) Vyrnnus did break Rahna's arm and that got Kaidan understandably upset but, in the end, he says that Vyrnnus beat the crap out of him for standing up for her and he actually pulled a knife at him (In the Foundation comics, he cut Kaidan's side with it, too.) and that's where he snapped and broke the turian's neck. How do we know he wouldn't react in a similar way if he had to deal with Wrex? We don't.

 

We don't know for sure, but we have good reason to think he wouldn't. That experience with Vyrnnus shaped the man Kaidan has become. It's why he controls himself so much. As someone else mentioned, it would have been cool for him to have a "World of Cardboard" moment.

 

This goes to the "whiny" issue as well. I don't know why people choose that word when they just want to say he's weak or passive. Much like Jacob in ME2, he constantly tells you that he's dealing or has dealt with his issues and Shepard shouldn't worry about them. That's the opposite of whiny.

 

 As I said, and it's my opinion, when somebody takes a person out by shooting them not once, but four times, three of those shots happen when Wrex is obviously lying on the ground and unable to defend himself... well, then being like WTF is a fairly reasonable reaction. I just don't know why that suddenly makes Kaidan into a total loser and Ashley somehow better than him.

 

Well it is a military operation, and insubordination, or pointing a weapon at your CO, can get you executed.

 

 

You can feel free to pretend that's what you'd do in that situation, but that's not what happens. Shepard gave an implicit invitation to Ashley and not to Kaidan. And hey, I'm responding in kind.

 

Maybe under certain circumstances, but Shepard can also tell her to drop it, at which point she'll say that she's still going to keep an eye on Wrex.

 

 

You also right away have the option to give Tali evidence that Shepard is truly Shepard which conveniently misses in all the other dialogues.

 

Yeah, all the other characters act like it's no big deal. I hated that.

[Vanilka]

Even with Kaidan I have a problem with how we are told and not shown about their development. While Kaidan does seem to progress at a strangely fast pace, he's at least an officer. Ashley not only is commissioned as an officer, but jumps several ranks to match Shepard's rank. This bothered me not only because I have no idea why she deserves it, but i saw it as a n attempt to have your companion mirror Shepard. It is the same reason I didn't like James being invited to N7. I asked "why?" and saw the mirroring.

Yes, I dislike it, too. ME3 does that a lot. It keeps telling us things but never shows them. What? The real problem are synthetics who are supposedly a galactic threat? We'd better never show that! The Reapers have concentration camps? We'd better never show that, either! Jumping through ranks is one of these issues. At least on Mars, Kaidan (I suppose Ashley, as well. I've never seen her dialogues.) proves that he can be resourceful and capable and has no problem to lead (and, in fact, manages to steal leadership from Shepard on Mars here and there). But I agree it would be for the best if we could actually see Kaidan's/Ashley's achievements in person, e.g. meeting Kaidan's team in London would be great.
 

Yeah, it's hard to blame the VS when Shepard's dialogue is so bad first. I remember my first ME2 playthrough, where I'd romanced Ashley in ME1. The top option was basically, "hey, how are you? It's been too long," as if they simply hadn't seen each other in awhile.

Hah, I picked the same option and when Shepard delivered her "How are you? It's been too long," I couldn't believe that happened. That was about the least appropriate thing to say in that moment. What upset me most was that it seemed like Shepard simply didn't care. At all. As if she didn't mind whether Kaidan's around or not, whether he survived the Collectors or not, whether anybody survived the Collectors, actually. (Compare with Shepard's meeting Garrus where Shepard is like, "GARRUS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE? (spreads her arms in an excited fashion)" Where she gets stressed out when Garrus takes that rocket. Then looks heartbroken that Garrus got injured. And people say Liara was the writer's pet, heh.) But then you talk to Kelly and Shepard can be all, "I REALLY LIKED KAIDAN AND I WISH HE DIDN'T LEAVE AND I AM SO SAAAAAD. (sad pouty face)" Ugh.
 

We don't know for sure, but we have good reason to think he wouldn't. That experience with Vyrnnus shaped the man Kaidan has become. It's why he controls himself so much. As someone else mentioned, it would have been cool for him to have a "World of Cardboard" moment.

Indeed. We don't know anything. That is my point. You're right he might get caught into an internal conflict which, in my opinion, would be very interesting. But Kaidan gets nothing for that scene until they needed him to talk. So we know and see nothing.
 

This goes to the "whiny" issue as well. I don't know why people choose that word when they just want to say he's weak or passive. Much like Jacob in ME2, he constantly tells you that he's dealing or has dealt with his issues and Shepard shouldn't worry about them. That's the opposite of whiny.

I can't take people who use "whiny" as character criticism seriously. From my experience, "whiny" is usually used by certain types of people to describe a "(usually) male character that dares to disagree with the player". Somehow it tends to happen to quite a few BW male love interests. Yet I've never seen anybody call Miranda or Jack "whiny", even though they bring up their issues all the time. (And by that, I'm not saying they are "whiny" to me. Just giving an example how nonsensical it is.)
 

Well it is a military operation, and insubordination, or pointing a weapon at your CO, can get you executed.

 
In my opinion, that's not Ashley's decision to make. In most cases, Shepard just tells her to watch her/his back. Although I admit I'd have to ask someone of actual military authority about whether her deed is appropriate. Let's just say that, as a player, I'm glad this doesn't happen in my game because when I checked it out on YouTube, I was rather disappointed in her. Not because she shot him. But because she killed him when it seemed like she didn't have to. It may be just me being soft, but death is an awfully final solution sometimes.
 

Yeah, all the other characters act like it's no big deal. I hated that.

So did I. I would expect Anderson, of all people, to lose his mind, knowing Shepard is with Cerberus, but he barely has any sort of reaction. He trusts Shepard unconditionally. Joker leaves the Alliance, a position he worked so hard to get, to join the terrorists. So did Chakwas. They become traitors just because Cerberus contacted them and promised stuff that's pretty much impossible as far as they know (which become possible because Cerberus and logic don't go along well). That just makes no sense. ME2 tries really hard to make you feel like working for the terrorists is no big deal, like they're no more than anti-heroes. But I didn't forget that these dudes thought it was okay to send Shepard's squad to their deaths, then experimented on one of the survivors, that they murdered Rear Admiral Kahoku to protect their dirty secrets, that killed many more in the name of "human advancement" that we've never seen. I hate how ME2 glosses over what Cerberus is and what they've done and are doing even when Shepard's there. What I hate even more is that they have Shepard do that sometimes (like during the dialogue with dying Tela Vassir).

[ThomasBlaine]

I always save Kaiden because protecting the nuke before leaving Virmire takes priority over rescuing Ashley by the mission parameters. Ashley, as a consummate soldier, is perfectly aware of this. And then I don't have to look at the monstrosity she becomes in ME3. So it all works out.

[Natureguy85]

I can't take people who use "whiny" as character criticism seriously. From my experience, "whiny" is usually used by certain types of people to describe a "(usually) male character that dares to disagree with the player". Somehow it tends to happen to quite a few BW male love interests. Yet I've never seen anybody call Miranda or Jack "whiny", even though they bring up their issues all the time. (And by that, I'm not saying they are "whiny" to me. Just giving an example how nonsensical it is.)

 

Well, female characters get a different word. Alistair and, to some extent, Carth, were whiny. Kaidan, like Jacob, really wasn't.

 

 

 

 

In my opinion, that's not Ashley's decision to make. In most cases, Shepard just tells her to watch her/his back. Although I admit I'd have to ask someone of actual military authority about whether her deed is appropriate. Let's just say that, as a player, I'm glad this doesn't happen in my game because when I checked it out on YouTube, I was rather disappointed in her. Not because she shot him. But because she killed him when it seemed like she didn't have to. It may be just me being soft, but death is an awfully final solution sometimes.

 

True, in an execution as I described it would not be her call. That would go to Shepard. She is just looking out for her CO and eliminating what she sees as a threat to his life. If I recall correctly, Shepard can yell at her for it.

 

 

 

I can't take people who use "whiny" as character criticism seriously. From my experience, "whiny" is usually used by certain types of people to describe a "(usually) male character that dares to disagree with the player". Somehow it tends to happen to quite a few BW male love interests. Yet I've never seen anybody call Miranda or Jack "whiny", even though they bring up their issues all the time. (And by that, I'm not saying they are "whiny" to me. Just giving an example how nonsensical it is.)

 

Well, female characters get a different word. Alistair and, to some extent, Carth, were whiny. Kaidan, like Jacob, really wasn't.

 

 

 

So did I. I would expect Anderson, of all people, to lose his mind, knowing Shepard is with Cerberus, but he barely has any sort of reaction. He trusts Shepard unconditionally. Joker leaves the Alliance, a position he worked so hard to get, to join the terrorists. So did Chakwas. They become traitors just because Cerberus contacted them and promised stuff that's pretty much impossible as far as they know (which become possible because Cerberus and logic don't go along well). That just makes no sense. ME2 tries really hard to make you feel like working for the terrorists is no big deal, like they're no more than anti-heroes. But I didn't forget that these dudes thought it was okay to send Shepard's squad to their deaths, then experimented on one of the survivors, that they murdered Rear Admiral Kahoku to protect their dirty secrets, that killed many more in the name of "human advancement" that we've never seen. I hate how ME2 glosses over what Cerberus is and what they've done and are doing even when Shepard's there. What I hate even more is that they have Shepard do that sometimes (like during the dialogue with dying Tela Vassir).

 

Yeah Anderson's lack of surprise was odd. I guess that's what his meeting with the Cerberus guy, as shown in the Shadow Broker video, was all about.

 

Chakwas says she joined Cerberus to be with Shepard, meaning she was just following him. Joker joined just to fly, which is probably the worst excuse for anything ever.

[KaiserShep]

Chakwas says she joined Cerberus to be with Shepard, meaning she was just following him. Joker joined just to fly, which is probably the worst excuse for anything ever.

 

I never really took Joker's "explanation" as a serious reason, since he tends to be flippant about everything. I suspect that his reason was exactly the same as Chakwas'. If Shepard was simply gone, I doubt he would've joined Cerberus JUST to fly. 

[themikefest]

In my opinion, that's not Ashley's decision to make. In most cases, Shepard just tells her to watch her/his back. Although I admit I'd have to ask someone of actual military authority about whether her deed is appropriate. Let's just say that, as a player, I'm glad this doesn't happen in my game because when I checked it out on YouTube, I was rather disappointed in her. Not because she shot him. But because she killed him when it seemed like she didn't have to. It may be just me being soft, but death is an awfully final solution sometimes.

She did the right thing. I would've done the same if an alien pointed their weapon at my CO or a fellow soldier. What reason did Wrex have for drawing his weapon and pointing it at Shepard? He's an idiot. If he had half a brain he would realize that shooting Shepard would get him killed.

 

Could Ashley have told Wrex to stand down or risk being shot? Sure. Would he? Ashley did the right thing.

[Natureguy85]

I never really took Joker's "explanation" as a serious reason, since he tends to be flippant about everything. I suspect that his reason was exactly the same as Chakwas'. If Shepard was simply gone, I doubt he would've joined Cerberus JUST to fly. 

 

I disagree. He says exactly that. However, a few lines later he does say that they saved Shepard's life while mentioning flying a second time. And we know Shepard is the reason Cerberus reached out to Joker.

 

 

 

 

She did the right thing. I would've done the same if an alien pointed their weapon at my CO or a fellow soldier. What reason did Wrex have for drawing his weapon and pointing it at Shepard? He's an idiot. If he had half a brain he would realize that shooting Shepard would get him killed.

 

Could Ashley have told Wrex to stand down or risk being shot? Sure. Would he? Ashley did the right thing.

 

It's entirely possible that Wrex did realize that and was looking for Shepard or someone to kill him. Based on the conversations with him, he's very pessimistic about the future of the Krogan.

[themikefest]

Joker cried like a baby for two years not being able to fly. When Cerberus offered to let him fly, he jumped at the opportunity without any hesitation. That's all he cared about.

[iM3GTR]

I don't see why Joker couldn't become some other type of pilot.

[Vanilka]

She did the right thing. I would've done the same if an alien pointed their weapon at my CO or a fellow soldier. What reason did Wrex have for drawing his weapon and pointing it at Shepard? He's an idiot. If he had half a brain he would realize that shooting Shepard would get him killed.

 

Could Ashley have told Wrex to stand down or risk being shot? Sure. Would he? Ashley did the right thing.

 

In that case, she did take her sweet time to actually do anything. They stand there pointing guns at each other forever. When Wrex pulls out his shotgun, absolutely nothing happens. Not until much later. I don't know. That situation is just freaking weird. I see your point, though.

 

As for Joker, joining an organisation outlawed in the council space just to fly a spaceship is an action worthy of an idiot, in my opinion. And I don't get why he got grounded in the first place. It couldn't be for hijacking the Normandy in ME1 because they were still working normally at the beginning of ME2. So the best pilot in the Alliance got grounded for two years... because of reasons. (The reasons most likely being because the writer wanted the Alliance look useless and stupid enough to justify Joker leaving to do something useful.)

 

Yeah Anderson's lack of surprise was odd. I guess that's what his meeting with the Cerberus guy, as shown in the Shadow Broker video, was all about.

 

Chakwas says she joined Cerberus to be with Shepard, meaning she was just following him. Joker joined just to fly, which is probably the worst excuse for anything ever.

 

We sure are lucky all Cerberus operatives wear that nifty emblem so everybody can tell it's them, heh. You make a good point, though. That vid might as well have been about that. It still strikes me as odd that Anderson didn't even try to get Shepard on Alliance's side or make some sort of deal. Personally, I feel like I'm forced to go rogue and work with Cerberus for no other reason than just because the game doesn't give me any other options and doesn't allow me to question the situation.

 

I know Chakwas is there for Shepard, but she's still actively working with Cerberus. It doesn't matter what she calls it. I'm just trying to imagine the situation: If one day somebody affiliated with who I only know as terrorists contacted me that they're bringing my dead colleague back to life (because that's totally possible, in my experience) and asked me to join an organisation that's pretty much only known as stupidly evil and to leave all my life and achievements behind, with me knowing perfectly well that according to the law I'd be committing one of the biggest criminal offences there were, would I do it? It's something to ponder. Curiously enough, Chakwas was the only one very unsure and concerned about whether they were doing the right thing when they hijacked the first Normandy to go to Ilos.

[Natureguy85]

We sure are lucky all Cerberus operatives wear that nifty emblem so everybody can tell it's them, heh. You make a good point, though. That vid might as well have been about that. It still strikes me as odd that Anderson didn't even try to get Shepard on Alliance's side or make some sort of deal. Personally, I feel like I'm forced to go rogue and work with Cerberus for no other reason than just because the game doesn't give me any other options and doesn't allow me to question the situation.

 

 

That's exactly what happens. In case you're not familiar with the term, it's called railroading. I also like this picture.

 

 

 

 

As for Chakwas, you're right but Tali and Garrus do the same thing, though you can argue the fact that they see Shepard in front of them when they join makes it different. One could argue that Chakwas knows the stakes and use the reason that Cerberus is the only group doing anything.

[Vanilka]

That's exactly what happens. In case you're not familiar with the term, it's called railroading. I also like this picture.
 
 

 
 
As for Chakwas, you're right but Tali and Garrus do the same thing, though you can argue the fact that they see Shepard in front of them when they join makes it different. One could argue that Chakwas knows the stakes and use the reason that Cerberus is the only group doing anything.

 
So that's what railroading is. I've heard the term before, but I don't think I understood it so well. Well, I finally have a proper name for moments in games when I feel like I'm held on a leash for no reason. Thank you!
 
I think I understand Tali most. She joins Shepard after the disaster at Haestrom. She seems really upset about losing pretty much her whole team, people she led and was responsible for, just because of a research project. Shepard comes to her rescue when her chances look rather bleak. She would've probably died if Shep hadn't shown up. To me, Tali just seems so utterly done that she seems to go, "Screw it! I'm leaving and the admiralty board can kiss my posterior." Plus, they're friends, of course, and there's something to fight for. (I don't think Quarians are even part of the Council legal system anyway.) She's extremely sceptical about Cerberus, still. She even mentions at the start that she thought Shepard was infiltrating Cerberus in order to sabotage it. So she joined without being certain what's going on. (Unless she was joking and I'm dense. Could happen.)
 
Garrus sort of didn't have a choice. He took a rocket in the face and he would've died if it hadn't been for Shepard and Cerberus. He didn't really have a chance to agree or disagree to cooperation, if I remember correctly. (From the little I know about the comic he appeared in, he was also quite sure he was going to die during the assault by the mercenary gangs, so he had probably already kissed his old life goodbye.) When he woke up after the surgery, he was already on a Cerberus vessel. I have no idea why he truly stayed. Probably because "there's no Shepard without Vakarian", so he's your bro whether you like it or not. Even he questioned Shepard's decision to work with Cerberus at first, but then gave in. Maybe he didn't have anything better to do. Especially after antagonising his entire previous "workplace" and the near death experience.
 
I felt that none of them really expressed much concern over what was happening to human colonies as much as they were just interested in being with Shepard again. I don't know whether I expected them to deliver a passionate speech about how what's going on is monstrous and wrong. I just didn't feel like most people we recruited were actually interested in our cause so much. Or maybe I'm just too difficult to please.

 

Anyway, those are just my personal interpretations, of course.