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[X Equestris]

No there are more ways to enter the Fade physically an I'm sure easier ways. No to mention everyone that comes with us to the fade does not have a anchor of there own to protect them. So there is more to it than just simply opening a rift an allowing me to go through it unharmed.
 
Cory doesn't view the Fade nor the Veil as the Heavens an Cory had his own plans for the Anchor.

I didn't say they needed it to protect them, I said they needed it to get there in the first place. The last time someone tried to open up a hole so they could walk into the Fade, it took hundreds of slave sacrifices and tons of lyrium. Much harder than the Anchor.

Genius, the heavens are the Black City. This really isn't hard to understand.

[Roninbarista]

Does anyone ever wonder why Solas just didn't tear down the veil when if/when you enter the fade with him after Adamant?  Seems like it would have been the perfect time.

I was thinking he needed the foci. Maybe it acts like a key, or just a needed component to his plans.

[TraiHarder]

I didn't say they needed it to protect them, I said they needed it to get there in the first place. The last time someone tried to open up a hole so they could walk into the Fade, it took hundreds of slave sacrifices and tons of lyrium. Much harder than the Anchor.

Genius, the heavens are the Black City. This really isn't hard to understand.

 

You don't know which was harder or even if that how things were actually done. You don't know if they opened a hole in the veil or if they found another way but just needed a lot of power to get there no one does. An no in Tevinter GENIUS they already had hundreds of slaves not hard to get them together an kill them all. So its not the only way to get into the Fade Cory knows this an I'm sure he could have easily found another way to Physically enter the Fade. An the Anchor is obviously not needed to enter the Fade physically all that is needed is a rift.

 

As I said he says he crafted it to assault the heavens. This is why I said he doesn't view the Veil or the Fade as the Heavens because I know he views the City that way Genius read what I wrote its not hard to understand. An Cory isn't stupid an doesn't beat around bush an has been shown to be a person to get straight to the point when he talks about something. So why would he say he crafted it to assault the heavens?

 

As I said could it be something that could unlock all of the City I'm pretty sure the Magisters did not explore all of the City an were probably locked out of some parts.

 

[TraiHarder]

My agreement goes here, because it's the same thing the Spirit in the Fade said - she gave the "needle and thread" explanation.  The anchor was like a needle pulling the Inquisitor like a thread into the fade.  Dagna says the anchor is very key-like to her.  Those are the same concepts in different terms in my opinion - penetration, entry.

Keys don't need to penetrate anything that's kinda the whole point of a key so you don't have to break into something which is mainly what opening a rift is, tearing open the veil.

But things like Doors have keyholes an what probably has doors? The City yaaaaaaaaaaaa your getting it now.

[TraiHarder]

My agreement goes here, because it's the same thing the Spirit in the Fade said - she gave the "needle and thread" explanation.  The anchor was like a needle pulling the Inquisitor like a thread into the fade.  Dagna says the anchor is very key-like to her.  Those are the same concepts in different terms in my opinion - penetration, entry.

Keys don't need to penetrate anything that's kinda the whole point of a key so you don't have to break into something which is mainly what opening a rift is, tearing open the veil.

But things like Doors have keyholes an what probably has doors? The City yaaaaaaaaaaaa your getting it now.

[leaguer of one]

 

Watch at 1:23 for the awnsers op.

 

 

/End topic.

[leaguer of one]

Does anyone ever wonder why Solas just didn't tear down the veil when if/when you enter the fade with him after Adamant?  Seems like it would have been the perfect time.

No. Why? He does not have the mark or the power to do so.

[myahele]

It does make you wonder why Corypheus is so obsessed with the anchor in the dark future. In that future he truly did rule the world so he could have easily recreated the the ritual that he did with the other magister over 1000 years ago.

[X Equestris]

You don't know which was harder or even if that how things were actually done. You don't know if they opened a hole in the veil or if they found another way but just needed a lot of power to get there no one does. An no in Tevinter GENIUS they already had hundreds of slaves not hard to get them together an kill them all. So its not the only way to get into the Fade Cory knows this an I'm sure he could have easily found another way to Physically enter the Fade. An the Anchor is obviously not needed to enter the Fade physically all that is needed is a rift.
 
As I said he says he crafted it to assault the heavens. This is why I said he doesn't view the Veil or the Fade as the Heavens because I know he views the City that way Genius read what I wrote its not hard to understand. An Cory isn't stupid an doesn't beat around bush an has been shown to be a person to get straight to the point when he talks about something. So why would he say he crafted it to assault the heavens?
 
As I said could it be something that could unlock all of the City I'm pretty sure the Magisters did not explore all of the City an were probably locked out of some parts.

They used brute force to tear the Veil open. We know heavy magic usage and violent death in an area are capable of doing that. And if it was an easy feat, some lone blood mage probably could have replicated it. We see tears in the Veil otherwise, but they seem to be one way: only spirits or demons can come through. Making one you could physically walk through probably needs extraordinary power. Further, the Magisters, based on the Canticle of Silence and a codex found in the Fade at Adamant make it seem like they went about their preparations in secret, without the knowledge or consent of the Tevinter government. That's why it was difficult. And that's partly why no one did it earlier or since: the blood and lyrium required are an exorbitant cost, only a place like Tevinter would have people willing to do that, and even in Tevinter most Magisters would prefer to use their resources for their own goals rather than a project like this.

The Magisters explored the parts of the city that Cory believes he needs. At least Cory, and likely the others, saw the throne. That's what he believes he needs to become a god. He's not concerned with anything else. They didn't have the Anchor then, therefore they clearly didn't need it to get to the throne room.

[SicSemper T Rex]

Anyone can enter the fade physically (well, not exactly easily) but the Black City will always be distant. I'm assuming the Anchor gives the bearer a level of control over the Fade that makes it special.

[TraiHarder]

They used brute force to tear the Veil open. We know heavy magic usage and violent death in an area are capable of doing that. And if it was an easy feat, some lone blood mage probably could have replicated it. We see tears in the Veil otherwise, but they seem to be one way: only spirits or demons can come through. Making one you could physically walk through probably needs extraordinary power. Further, the Magisters, based on the Canticle of Silence and a codex found in the Fade at Adamant make it seem like they went about their preparations in secret, without the knowledge or consent of the Tevinter government. That's why it was difficult. And that's partly why no one did it earlier or since: the blood and lyrium required are an exorbitant cost, only a place like Tevinter would have people willing to do that, and even in Tevinter most Magisters would prefer to use their resources for their own goals rather than a project like this.

The Magisters explored the parts of the city that Cory believes he needs. At least Cory, and likely the others, saw the throne. That's what he believes he needs to become a god. He's not concerned with anything else. They didn't have the Anchor then, therefore they clearly didn't need it to get to the throne room.

Ok one I'm going to make everything you just said like blow up.

 

If all the Cory wanted to do was rip open the veil with enough power then he could have just went the first huge rift that opened at the Conclave it had everything that was needed just like before tons an ton of deaths an a huge Magical pulse of energy boom supa big tear that he could have went through. But he chose not to. He chose to go back an look for the Anchor why? Because he still needed it.

 

Giving me HUGE doubt that all its purpose is was to just tear open a way into the Fade maybe that was something it could easily do but not its True purpose. He wouldn't say he crafted it to assault the heavens if it was just built for him to get into the fade. He acts as if just using it for rifts was not its purpose an its a gross use of it.

 

An as the Head Priest of the Old Gods I'm sure that each had more than enough servants to kill for the spell. An as I said we don't know what they actually did. They could have found a Eluvian for all we know given to them by their "Old Gods" An we definitely don't know where they went in the  City did they go in down a hall to the Seat then caught the taint an fled we don't know. So you cant make that statement sadly.

 

 

Edit- Not to mention Dagna things its something sort of like a key. What do Keys do they go in an they open doors an locks. What does the City most likely have Doors an we know there are secrets locked away in there.

[TraiHarder]

Anyone can enter the fade physically (well, not exactly easily) but the Black City will always be distant. I'm assuming the Anchor gives the bearer a level of control over the Fade that makes it special.

 

See thank you for this. Something other than the usual " ITS MEANT TO OPEN A WAY TO GO INTO THE FADE" mess

 

An a interesting one at that.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

It's probably a fashion statement/anti-jerk device. Let everyone know exactly what your doing AND it's shiny.
Plus it makes jazz hands fun and sparkly.

[Aulis Vaara]

Getting back into the Black City, which is where the Veil is anchored (aka Elven Skyhold).

[Aulis Vaara]

No there are more ways to enter the Fade physically an I'm sure easier ways. No to mention everyone that comes with us to the fade does not have a anchor of there own to protect them. So there is more to it than just simply opening a rift an allowing me to go through it unharmed.

Cory doesn't view the Fade nor the Veil as the Heavens an Cory had his own plans for the Anchor.

There is no easier way to Pierce the Veil than to use the tool designed for that, which was designed by the person who created the Veil in the first place.

Do you honestly think using two thirds of all lyrium in Thedas (because that's how big Tevinter was back then) and a huge pool of blood to rip open the Veil can compare to the methods of the only person who knows what Veil actually is?

Why would there be an easier way to enter the Fade than to use the key designed for it?

We should also note that the Inquisitor does not need two thirds of all lyrium in Thedas, nor a giant pool of blood in order to enter the Fade.

[LightningPoodle]

I think Solas was telling the truth in that, it's a way to remove the veil. However, like any tool, it can be used for other things.

Take a hammer for instance. It's designed to hit a nail, correct? But, it can also be used to break things. Build things. Hit people over the head with. It's multipurpose.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

I think Solas was telling the truth in that, it's a way to remove the veil. However, like any tool, it can be used for other things.

Take a hammer for instance. It's designed to hit a nail, correct? But, it can also be used to break things. Build things. Hit people over the head with. It's multipurpose.

Technically anything can be used o hit people with. And hammers can lead an army, apparently.
You could hit people with the anchor even! Strap quizzy's severed hand to a stick!

[TraiHarder]

There is no easier way to Pierce the Veil than to use the tool designed for that, which was designed by the person who created the Veil in the first place.

Do you honestly think using two thirds of all lyrium in Thedas (because that's how big Tevinter was back then) and a huge pool of blood to rip open the Veil can compare to the methods of the only person who knows what Veil actually is?

Why would there be an easier way to enter the Fade than to use the key designed for it?

We should also note that the Inquisitor does not need two thirds of all lyrium in Thedas, nor a giant pool of blood in order to enter the Fade.

You should also note that you don't know exactly how much of anything that was needed for them to do whatever they did the first time. Only source that tells us what they used was a chantry tale that's it. I'm not saying that it couldn't take a lot of slaves but I doubt it took tons an tons of lyrium as it says.

 

You should also note that like I said If the Anchor TRUE purpose was to just pierce the veil then There would be no reason for Cory to go back an try to retrieve the Anchor he could have simply went trough the first massive rift.

 

Nor would he said he crafted it to assault the heavens.

[LightningPoodle]

Technically anything can be used o hit people with. And hammers can lead an army, apparently.
You could hit people with the anchor even! Strap quizzy's severed hand to a stick!

Take any tool and with a little creativity, that tool can do whatever you damn well want it to do.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

Take any tool and with a little creativity, that tool can do whatever you damn well want it to do.

I know right? Just look at cullen!

[Aulis Vaara]

You should also note that like I said If the Anchor TRUE purpose was to just pierce the veil then There would be no reason for Cory to go back an try to retrieve the Anchor he could have simply went trough the first massive rift.

Rifts don't work like that, the Anchor does. The Breach was not made with the Anchor.

[TraiHarder]

Rifts don't work like that, the Anchor does. The Breach was not made with the Anchor.

 

Yet it was created the same way that you said the Magisters did it the first time. The Foci was a huge magical force comparable to the lyrium an there were deaths of hundreds of people. So why would he not be able to go through the huge tear in the veil which you stated that's what the anchor does. Yea gotcha bang bang buddy.

 

An again he says he crafted it to assault the heavens not get to the heavens.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Trespasser:

Spoiler

Solas, aka Fen'Harel, pretty much says the goal of the Anchor - its power, as we learn, comes from the foci he created - was to remove the Veil from the Fade so he could save the elvhen trapped inside of it.

 

Ehrr... Can't be true. Because that means that any solamancing lavellan could - if they wanted - use the anchor to remove the veil themselves. To deprive players of the choice to attempt so if they wanted to... I mean... there is simply no excuse for the devs to deny that option from a RP perspective.

 

Just kidding. Devs already deprived us from the choice to attempt entering the black city ourselves. Funny how the anchor would by itself allow a multitude of alternate and evil/darker endings yet the devs provided none of them. Still bitter I couldnt enter the black city. 

[Homeboundcrib]

I'm guessing that there is much we don't know about the anchor it simple can't have two uses to enter the fade and close rifts.The fade can be physically entered in many other ways yes not so easily but can be done. Towards the end we see just how powerful it became and what it's capable of and that's with someone who isn't meant to have it. So Imagine someone who can wield it with ease, imagine the destruction it would cause. So I'm guessing it's not just a tool but also a weapon with the potential to destoy most things.

[Aulis Vaara]

Yet it was created the same way that you said the Magisters did it the first time.

Two thirds of all lyrium in Thedas was not used. There were no seven Magisters to work the spell, and the ritual was interrupted to boot.

But even that aside, Corypheus was not trying to do the same thing as before. He clearly wanted that anchor, so he knew what it would do and that it would get him into the Fade. The Breach was just an accidental byproduct.