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[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Hey. 

 

The flanking sigil does 200% flanking damage but half damage when not flanking. I'm just wondering how good this really is. For example. Are many mobs and bosses immune to flanking (Dragons, ogres, giants, great bears, elite humanoids etc) or do no enemies have flank immunity? How about the last boss in the decent DLC? Do flanking count equally for melee and ranged?

I tried to google "Dragon age inquisition wiki flanking" but only found wiki entry on flanking from origins. This flanking sigil seems very good however I'd rather not have it if it does not count where it counts namely the enemies I named above including dragons.

[ottffsse]

Basically no boss is or enemy is immune to flanking. You get a minus 25% modifier though if you are in long range from enemy while flanking and the most bonus. As flanking is most effective within 5 meters of the target. Flanking has a 180 degree radius so you can attack the side of an enemy and still get bonus.

Now the bad news: the -50% to attack is calculated at end so effectively if flanking with sigil you double damage, you half it if up front. On ai controlled characters it won't do anything effective and is in most cases actually positively bad. On your own character if you have good mobility and always look to attack enemies from behing it can be good, but you have to have abilities that position you properly fast (new upgrade to evade and flank attack on rogues and fade step on mages, maybe combat roll and bull charge on warriors).

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Basically no boss is or enemy is immune to flanking. You get a minus 25% modifier though if you are in long range from enemy while flanking. As flanking is mist effective within 5 meters if the target. Flanking has a 180 degree radius so you can attack the side of an enemy and still get bonus.

Now the bad news: the -50% to attack is calculated at end so effectively if flanking with sigil you double damage, you half it if up front. On ai controlled characters it won't do anything effective and is in most cases actually positively bad. On your own character if you have good mobility and always look to attack enemies from behing it can be good, but you have to have abilities that position you properly fast (new upgrade to evade and flank attack on rogues and fade step on mages, maybe combat roll and bull charge on warriors).

 

Thanks for the quick reply ott. If there is a 5M range I better drop it. I'm making a rogue "turret" build /w artificer. The plan is DW over bow for the extra fadetouched craft  /w throwing blades and 3/4/5 hidden blades enchants and the new ranged shadow strike (No autoattacks). Since I will be spending most of my time in medium range from enemies I guess the flanking bonus is too risky with the downside. 

[ottffsse]

It only is a a minus 25‰ at most. So I think you would still get a noticeable increase just try it out would be my suggestion. With a ranged rogue the question is rather how do you get behind the enemies quickly. I guess go into stealth and position yourself while tank is drawing aggro, and throw mines. Also I do not know how hook n tackle works if it tackles on the back of an enemy or not that would be important to test as artificer uses that a lot.

[PapaCharlie9]

Clarifying a couple of points:
 
Flanking Damage Bonus is +25% to the attacker. There's no -25%.
 
The penalty for the Deepstalker Sigil is -50% attack. It's not clear if that means half damage, or subtracted from your attack%. So if you start with an Attack% of 60, instead of 30 (60/2) you might only have 10 (60-50).
 
The "half" idea might have come from the discussion of all Sigils here, where I showed how the net effect of -50% attack can halve all of your damage, including crit and flanking damage. But that was only for one contrived example. Most real world examples won't be that bad.

 

But the real thing to take away is that negative attack penalties are very, very bad. You need to have a really good reason to accept such a big penalty.

[Ozaru]

Where do you get the deepstalker sigil without actually going to the new trespasser DLC area?  I have the dlc and I just made a new character Qunari Male Rogue I just hit level 8.  I tried killing deepstalkers in storm coast but didn't have any luck.

[PawsPause]

Where do you get the deepstalker sigil without actually going to the new trespasser DLC area?  I have the dlc and I just made a new character Qunari Male Rogue I just hit level 8.  I tried killing deepstalkers in storm coast but didn't have any luck.

In wicked eyes and wicked hearts, when you kill the harlequinn, youll meet briala. after that cutscene, loot the harlequinn and she has a deepstalker sigil. theres also a war table mission that rewards you for it but i forgot which one it is.

[Evelynne]

You can just farm Deepstalkers in the Storm Coast.

 

To be completely honest, I've never actually seen this Sigil result in lower damage -- which makes me feel that the -50% Attack is a conditional effect like the Flanking Bonus. Its certainly lower when I'm attacking from the front, but in the back it twice or more the damage than before putting the Sigil in. Also, if you're going to go with this Sigil -- really and truly. You should probably grab The Bosun's Blade while you're at it and push that damage bonus well into the 1000's. 

[arkngt]

So where exactly is the Sigil of the Deepstalker in Deep Roads? The Wiki gives a somewhat vague description: "Looted in a chest near a fire in the "Lower Walkways" section of the Deep Roads." Not sure what's meant with the "Lower Walkways".

 

EDIT: OK, it's in Trespasser, I thought it was in The Descent. Well, that means that I need to find it by chance rather to have much use for it.

[Agi_]

The REAL problem with items with flank bonus and attack penalty, like Deepstalker sigil and Bosun, is that it's VERY difficult to flank anything larger than a standard human not to speak of dragons. Even if you start flanking way too often the rogue makes a long tournaround trip to be sure to attack from the front; maybe controlling directly it would be easier to land clean direct hits, but i cannot play this way

[arkngt]

Yes, I control my DW Rogue (almost) completely via the tactical camera. Still problematic to get flank attacks all the time for several reasons (perceptive enemies, surroundings etc.), but flank bonuses are still very much worth it.

[PapaCharlie9]

I've gotten a Deepstalker Sigil through Special Shipment rewards. It's relatively rare, though. I get Felandaris or the dragon ones like 100x more often.

[akots1]

It looks like the Deepstalker sigil does not apply -50% attack penalty when you are flanking and only applies the bonus 200%. I'm not completely sure though as sometimes there is some strange decrease in damage maybe due to -50% attack from sigil or from target moving to face you while you are still in striking animation and damage has not yet applied. The game sometimes "waits" to apply damage and also, displaying damage numbers can be delayed. So, it seems that description can be expanded a little bit to look something like +200% flanking damage or -50% attack if not flanking. Flanking bonus is applied to everything, it is just a flat multiplier of damage minus armor, similar to Bosun's blade and they work together as multipliers for a total of around 10x damage when attacking from the back. "Back" position however is less than 180 degrees, more like 120 degrees or even 90 degrees, hard to tell exactly. In the case of dragons/dragonlings, it seems that you have to attack the rear legs from the rear to get whole bonus and be in melee range. Using ranged abilities from distance decreases flanking/from the back bonus by about 25% which is very noticeable when using hidden blades from distance or when standing right behind the target.

[arkngt]

I've gotten a Deepstalker Sigil through Special Shipment rewards. It's relatively rare, though. I get Felandaris or the dragon ones like 100x more often.

 

Yes, I reloaded dozens of time earlier to get one but no dice. Might try again when I get the next shipment. I think I got my Deepstalker Sigil via the Special Shipment during my last playthrough.