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[Rolhir]

Let me start off by saying that I love Dragon Age. I love Dragon Age Inquisition. I expect to love Dragon Age Inquisition Trespasser and Descent.

 

I was excited to see that there is a goty edition that includes all the DLCs AND digital deluxe edition stuff for only $20 more. I bought the Digital Deluxe Edtion on release and Spoils of Qunari and Jaws of Hakkon already. I was looking forward for a sale or bundle to get the rest. Apparently I get no upgrade option, no discount, nothing. Why is it that if I hadn't bought Jaws of Hakkon, it would be CHEAPER for me to get a BRAND NEW COPY of DAI goty than it would be to get the DLCS? As it stands right now, I'd have to pay $35 to get the remaining 3 DLCs. I would totally just get a brand new copy if I could gift my current copy on Origin to my friend. I'd be 100% down to do that, but I can't.

 

Dragon Age Inquisition dev team, you guys are great. Sales? You guys suck. I apologize in advance if there is a sale/bundle on the way that just hasn't hit Origin yet; however, I did read in one of the goty announcements "We do not have any plans on releasing a DLC bundle at the current time."

[BansheeOwnage]

Yeah, it's rather unfortunate. I think they'd sell more copies of the DLCs if bundles were available. And it's not like it's hard to bundle digital content.

[DAOnut]

I said in another post I am also extremely upset with EA over not having an upgrade option for the people that have been supporting this game for the past year.  For new people (and I am glad there are new people to support the DA series), they get all the extra content for $10 (no problems), while I need to spend $55 (I already have JoH, but still $40).  I am just venting.  I will still play EA games, however I am done with pre-ordering and non-sale prices.  I love the DA series, and duly spent the pre-order prices for 4 copies for myself and sons (as well as multiple copies of DA1 & 2).  We have enjoyed the game and I feel we received our money's worth.  But this is just wrong not to have an upgrade option for DAI (even BF4 had an upgrade option).  Very upset.

[pdusen]

Holy crap, it really doesn't get much more first-world-problemsy than this.

[GithCheater]

If you do not want all the DLC profit to go to EA/Bioware (and you can't hold your breath for a "sale"), you can purchase DLC from Amazon (or perhaps another site?).

 

With respect to DLC, Mike Laidlaw suggested tweeting @origininsider, while Mark Darrah suggested tweeting @dragonage.

[GithCheater]

Holy crap, it really doesn't get much more first-world-problemsy than this.

Do you already have all the DAI DLC?

[London]

I couldn't help myself and bought trespasser but after hearing about the GOTY I don't really feel like spending $40 more for lower-quality DLCs and skins. It does feel a little exploitative for what you get and the total I've already spent on the game v. Disinterested people only buying it now.

Hell in a few months I'm sure the GOTY edition will be in the $20 bin with missing DLC still costing $40.

[BansheeOwnage]

Holy crap, it really doesn't get much more first-world-problemsy than this.

How is not wanting to get ripped off a "first world problem"? Seems like a fair concern to me.

[Pheabus2009]

Other EA games like Battlefield 3 & 4 have premium editions (include all DLCs) too but they offer an upgrade pack for who got the base games early, which is a nice move. So even being EA studios, there's a difference.

Why no upgrade option really hurts loyal fans? Because late comers can just grab the GotY version right away while we who preordered/bought the game on release or very early have to buy all those DLCs individually. This simply discourage gamers from preordering /buying your games on release, think about it EA/Bioware.

Currently I still have some hope left, could any Biodevs kindly confirm whether there will be a upgrade bundle on the way or not? 

[Sylvius the Mad]

How is not wanting to get ripped off a "first world problem"? Seems like a fair concern to me.

How is it getting ripped off?

If you don't already have the game, you can buy the GotY edition.

If you do already have the game, you can buy the DLC for a price lower than the GotY edition. So you do get credit for having the game.

The difference isn't the price you paid for the game, but why should it be? You got to play the game for a year. That's worth something. Buyers now get a discount on the core game for having missed that year, but you don't because you didn't miss it.

Offering a low-cost upgrade would effectively discount the value of the game you've already played. How does that make sense for BioWare?

[BansheeOwnage]

How is it getting ripped off?

If you don't already have the game, you can buy the GotY edition.

If you do already have the game, you can buy the DLC for a price lower than the GotY edition. So you do get credit for having the game.

The difference isn't the price you paid for the game, but why should it be? You got to play the game for a year. That's worth something. Buyers now get a discount on the core game for having missed that year, but you don't because you didn't miss it.

Offering a low-cost upgrade would effectively discount the value of the game you've already played. How does that make sense for BioWare?

It's not being ripped-off per se, but it's something like it. People who already have the game but not DLC don't want to pay $55 for all of the DLC when new people can get the whole game and the DLC for $60. That seems like a fair gripe to me. If it doesn't to you, well, I don't know.

 

And why are you assuming everyone had the game all year, since launch? There are going to be a lot of people who bought the game more recently, up to the day before the GOTY edition was announced, and now they are informed that they had incredibly bad timing. That just plain sucks. Sure, bad timing happens, but there is no reason they can't solve the problem by bundling DLC. As I said before, I bet it would sell better, too.

[Rolhir]

People who already have the game but not DLC don't want to pay $55 for all of the DLC when new people can get the whole game and the DLC for $60.

 

Exactly. I told my friend about the goty edition, so he got the game for $60. I paid $70 for my preorder, $5 for Spoils of the Qunari, and $15 for Jaws of Hakkon. For me to get the rest of the DLCs I haven't gotten, I have to spend $35 still.....he, on the other hand, can pick up the base game for $40 (totally fine with me; I knowingly paid the higher price for getting to play on release), and then pick up all the Preorder goodies, digital deluxe goodies (which cost me an extra $10; same for him, so no problem here), and all the DLCs for $10...what?!? I have to spend another $35 for the DLCs after having preordered the game and already bought 2 DLCs, and they get ALL the DLCs for less than it costs me for a SINGLE DLC! That is the problem right there. If I had an option to purchase all the DLCs (even repurchasing the ones I already own) for $10, I would leap at the chance. Heck, if I could pick them all up for $15 or $20, I would still get them. Is there any discount whatsoever for people who already own the base game and possibly other DLCs? Nope, nothing.

[OdanUrr]

It's not being ripped-off per se, but it's something like it. People who already have the game but not DLC don't want to pay $55 for all of the DLC when new people can get the whole game and the DLC for $60. That seems like a fair gripe to me. If it doesn't to you, well, I don't know.

 

No, you're not being ripped off, it's just business. Like I said before, the question you need to ask yourself is, "How do I get the people who didn't spend $60 for the game then to spend those $60 now?" The answer is the GOTY edition. For better or worse, if you've already bought the game before the GOTY edition, then you're no longer the focus of EA/BioWare. Think of it like this, anyone who wants to get the "complete" experience needs to fork over now $60 at most. If, you bought some DLC already, then you need to spend less than that.

 

I've read people argue that BF4 and Borderlands 2 offered customers the chance to buy extra content (DLC) at a discount in the form of bundles and season passes. I'm afraid those are not particularly good examples. First, BF4 did not have a GOTY edition so there's really no point of comparison there. Second, Borderlands 2 offered season passes, yes, but those are merely a promise for content that has yet to be released, meaning you're essentially pre-ordering DLC; thus, they're offering you a deal in exchange for your financing, something that also doesn't apply here.

 

This has been the point of GOTY editions since time immemorial, guys. Why is it a big deal now?

[BansheeOwnage]

No, you're not being ripped off, it's just business. Like I said before, the question you need to ask yourself is, "How do I get the people who didn't spend $60 for the game then to spend those $60 now?" The answer is the GOTY edition. For better or worse, if you've already bought the game before the GOTY edition, then you're no longer the focus of EA/BioWare. Think of it like this, anyone who wants to get the "complete" experience needs to fork over now $60 at most. If, you bought some DLC already, then you need to spend less than that.

How the hell does "it's just business" imply you're not being ripped off? They often go together, in fact. Why are you talking to me like I don't understand that businesses want money? I'm not an idiot. However, I do have a hunch that they would sell more DLC if they made bundles. Obviously they either think differently, or are too lazy to implement them.

[OdanUrr]

How the hell does "it's just business" imply you're not being ripped off? They often go together, in fact. Why are you talking to me like I don't understand that businesses want money? I'm not an idiot. However, I do have a hunch that they would sell more DLC if they made bundles. Obviously they either think differently, or are too lazy to implement them.

 

How are you being ripped off? I might sympathize with that statement had you bought the game, say, a week or two before the GOTY edition but further than that? You made a choice that the value being offered was worth your money at that time. Could they make more money if they bundled the DLC? Possibly. Will they do that? Maybe, but not right now.

 

If you bought anything, it's because you thought it offered good value at the time. So you lost a better deal because you didn't wait, that happens all the time!

[BansheeOwnage]

How are you being ripped off? I might sympathize with that statement had you bought the game, say, a week or two before the GOTY edition but further than that? You made a choice that the value being offered was worth your money at that time. Could they make more money if they bundled the DLC? Possibly. Will they do that? Maybe, but not right now.

 

If you bought anything, it's because you thought it offered good value at the time. So you lost a better deal because you didn't wait, that happens all the time!

You really don't understand, do you? This isn't even about me. I bought the game at launch, and the DLCs as they came out. I just happen to sympathize with the other people here (who, like you said, could have had very bad timing). All you've said is "Business happens and anything is okay because business. Don't complain." Well, thanks so much for that contribution

[jedidotflow]

Holy crap, it really doesn't get much more first-world-problemsy than this.

 

Don't forget entitled.

[OdanUrr]

You really don't understand, do you? This isn't even about me. I bought the game at launch, and the DLCs as they came out. I just happen to sympathize with the other people here (who, like you said, could have had very bad timing). All you've said is "Business happens and anything is okay because business. Don't complain." Well, thanks so much for that contribution

Please, do not misquote me, it's really unbecoming of you. I've already stated that, yes, releasing a GOTY edition so soon after Trespasser will probably sting a little. Yes, people who bought the game recently are probably feeling mighty frustrated right now. All I'm saying is I also understand the reason for releasing the GOTY edition this year and for that price. The DLC, or at least some of it, has been on sale not that long ago, and I expect it to go on sale before year's end. Sure, Origin could adopt a policy to allow refunds for people who bought the game a week, two at most, before the release of the GOTY or before a sale (similar to Steam), that would be cool.

[DAOnut]

Thank you for your support BansheeOwnage.  Several of us have contacted EA about this, the results were as expected but at least we tried to help the DA community by getting some lower prices and bundle options.

 

Don't try arguing with the detractors, they will just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.  The DA community is not an overly positive one, where people will beat down any idea that they do not agree with, even if those ideas are for the benefit of them or others.  In this case for trying to get support for lower prices or bundles for DAI, which may also carry over into the anticipated DA4.  

[Sylvius the Mad]

It's not being ripped-off per se, but it's something like it. People who already have the game but not DLC don't want to pay $55 for all of the DLC when new people can get the whole game and the DLC for $60. That seems like a fair gripe to me. If it doesn't to you, well, I don't know.

And why are you assuming everyone had the game all year, since launch? There are going to be a lot of people who bought the game more recently, up to the day before the GOTY edition was announced, and now they are informed that they had incredibly bad timing. That just plain sucks.

I don't see why. They made their purchasing decision based on the information available to them at the time. They were happy with the price they paid, else they wouldn't have paid it.

Revising that opinion with hindsight is lunacy.

[Freygea]

I really hope they offer an upgrade for those that purchased the game at launch. 

[AlanC9]

Don't try arguing with the detractors, they will just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.  The DA community is not an overly positive one, where people will beat down any idea that they do not agree with, even if those ideas are for the benefit of them or others.  In this case for trying to get support for lower prices or bundles for DAI, which may also carry over into the anticipated DA4.

Why would people be positive about ideas which they think are bad ideas? And nobody's against lower prices, just against the idea that EA has any kind of obligation to offer them.

[DAOnut]

Why would people be positive about ideas which they think are bad ideas? And nobody's against lower prices, just against the idea that EA has any kind of obligation to offer them.

 

You, for one, are against lower prices.  Instead of complaining about the people that would like a bundle, in the same amount of time you could have hit the little "help" button on the EA store and asked the online rep if they are going to offer one.  If 5 people ask, they wont.  If 1,000 people ask, maybe they will see interest and may offer one.  If no one asks, you will never see it.

[GithCheater]

The price of DLC never goes down, except for the rare sale.  

 

The Standard DAI edition is now $40 while the GotY edition is $60, The DLC and Deluxe upgrade effectively sells for $20 (1/3 the list price).  Anyone who bought the standard DAI on Origin four days ago paid $60, and would now be required to pay $65 for the DLC and Deluxe upgrade.

 

How is this not a ripoff of existing customers?

 

I thought EA was improving and putting "gamers first", but evidently the new CEO of EA was speaking out of a lower oriface.  Instead EA/Bioware has treated many of their existing customers with disdain:

 

* Jaws Xbone exclusive.

* "Good News" discontinuation of DLC on last gen consoles.

* Charging list price to existing customers for bonus content, but charging new customers less than 1/3 the price.

 

I just bought Trespasser at Amazon (instead of Origin) rather than allow EA to have the full amount of their exhorbitant profit.  Eventually I will buy Descent, and I already have Jaws.

 

I will not lie and say I will not buy DA4 at launch, however I will no longer purcase less immersive items as I have done in the past:

 

* No Deluxe Editions

* No Item Pack DLC

* No comic books

* No Art of Thedas books

* No World of Thedas books

* No Dragon Age clothing

* No microtransactions

* No item pack or cosmetic 

 

Ironically, if EA had offered a token 10% discount on DLC for existing customers, I would have likely bought the above items in the future.

[Rolhir]

I don't see why. They made their purchasing decision based on the information available to them at the time. They were happy with the price they paid, else they wouldn't have paid it.

Revising that opinion with hindsight is lunacy.

 

You seem to be missing the point (at least the point I was trying to make when starting the thread). I do not regret purchasing the game and DLCs that I have at the higher price that I did. What I do regret is that by purchasing them when I did I have to purchase all further DLCs at full price. I'm not begrudging the original listed price; I'm pissed that new customers are able to pick up all the DLCs for cheaper than I can purchase a single one. I don't care that they are getting the game for $20 cheaper than me; that's perfectly fine. All I'm asking for is that customers with a copy of the base game can purchase the DLCs at a discount if we buy them all together just like the new people get. Doesn't have to be the same discount, but ANY discount would be nice.

 

The Standard DAI edition is now $40 while the GotY edition is $60, The DLC and Deluxe upgrade effectively sells for $20 (1/3 the list price).  Anyone who bought the standard DAI on Origin four days ago paid $60, and would now be required to pay $65 for the DLC and Deluxe upgrade.

By the way, the Deluxe upgrade was always $10 more. So that means that ALL the DLCs are listed at $10 if you buy the game new.