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[DAOnut]

 

 

I don't see why people oppose those who are just asking for something. It's not like anyone will do anything if this request is ignored. 

 

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Because people will be jealous that someone else asked and received a lower price for something that they already paid more for.

It will ruin these detractor's lives, just knowing that we asked and received something they didn't.  

 

I already know what they will say to this, "no we are not", well then why spend all this energy bashing someone else's idea that may (or may not) bring lower prices to the whole DIA community?   Maybe we would get more support if we wanted higher prices! As the support for trying to ask for lower prices is low.

 

Its also funny how these same people who only support the new players for getting a deal which waited for a GOTY to buy the whole experience.  Yet they do not support the people who also waited, but waited for just a DLC bundle to complete their experience. 

[AlanC9]

Is anyone actually saying that you shouldn't ask for a discount? I haven't said that, and I haven't seen anyone else say it. I have seen people say that nobody's entitled to a discount, and that EA has valid reasons for not offering the discount to everyone, but those are completely different arguments.

[o Ventus]

 

That's the point. Those who waited for the GOTY get a discount on the DLCs (and the game), but those who bought the game don't get any discount on the DLCs, they have to wait more if they feel the DLCs are too expensive for them. And if nothing, waiting for the DLCs price to drop is more telling when you already bought the game...

 

I keep people say "is more telling" and "it's rather telling".

 

A. No it isn't. There's no hidden subtext here.

 

B. What exactly do you think it could be telling OF?

 

C. That being the point is exactly why I said it. By buying the game when it launched (or at least before a GOTY edition is released), you've had access to the associated content for far longer than those who chose to wait. You're buying the product when the demand is highest, thus the price is higher if you purchase individually as compared to when you purchase it in a bundle.

[Pallando]

I keep people say "is more telling" and "it's rather telling".

 

A. No it isn't. There's no hidden subtext here.

 

B. What exactly do you think it could be telling OF?

 

C. That being the point is exactly why I said it. By buying the game when it launched (or at least before a GOTY edition is released), you've had access to the associated content for far longer than those who chose to wait. You're buying the product when the demand is highest, thus the price is higher if you purchase individually as compared to when you purchase it in a bundle.

 

What it's telling is that if people have not bought it until now, they most probably won't buy it now that the GOTY is out. Since only those who bought the game before the GOTY came out can buy the DLCs, they're the only target for said DLCs. The value of these has dropped for everyone except for these people. 

[Robert Cousland]

Just downloaded Trespasser, where do I change my casual outfit?

[Zatche]

Dresser in your bedroom at Skyhold.

[AlanC9]

What it's telling is that if people have not bought it until now, they most probably won't buy it now that the GOTY is out. Since only those who bought the game before the GOTY came out can buy the DLCs, they're the only target for said DLCs. The value of these has dropped for everyone except for these people.

Not precisely. The value of the DLCs has dropped for everyone, which is why the bundle discounts their price. It's just that the only way to purchase the DLCs at that value is through the bundle.

[Pallando]

Not precisely. The value of the DLCs has dropped for everyone, which is why the bundle discounts their price. It's just that the only way to purchase the DLCs at that value is through the bundle.

 

 

Ok. Right. The value of the DLCs has dropped for everyone, but only those who already bought the game don't see that reflected in the prices.

 

Such a scheme seems like a mind game from the publisher, hoping that previous buyers who did not buy the DLCs already would give in seeing that everyone can now get them at a discounted price: "Everyone will play the DLCs now, why wouldn't you? Why would you wait?  :devil:"

 

 

[AlanC9]

I doubt they're expecting that. If other people playing DLCs could make someone buy them, he'd have bought them already. A few more GOTY buyers having them won't change anyone's mind.

[Pallando]

I doubt they're expecting that. If other people playing DLCs could make someone buy them, he'd have bought them already. A few more GOTY buyers having them won't change anyone's mind.

 

 

I know :-)

[o Ventus]

What it's telling is that if people have not bought it until now, they most probably won't buy it now that the GOTY is out. 

 

What do you think the entire idea of having a GOTY edition for a game is for? Hint: it isn't for people who had already bought the game and the DLCs.

[Robert Cousland]

Can anyone tell me why there is no Dragon Bone in the Black Emporium? Ive saved and reloaded multiple times, I know he sells it, but it's just not there.

[caradoc2000]

Can anyone tell me why there is no Dragon Bone in the Black Emporium? Ive saved and reloaded multiple times, I know he sells it, but it's just not there.

Are you high enough level?

[Robert Cousland]

Are you high enough level?

 

Im currently Lvl 17, what level do I have to be?

[caradoc2000]

Im currently Lvl 17, what level do I have to be?

Level 18 as I recall.

[Ariella]

What do you think the entire idea of having a GOTY edition for a game is for? Hint: it isn't for people who had already bought the game and the DLCs.

I've been yelling this at the top of my lungs for the last week, and the response I got was:

'It's not fair the people who waited get a better deal.'

As much as I hate econ, maybe the US educational system needs to pair that with our civics requirement. Some people just don't get capitalism

[Pallando]

What do you think the entire idea of having a GOTY edition for a game is for? Hint: it isn't for people who had already bought the game and the DLCs.

 

Yes. And?

As we said, the point is that now, the value of the game AND the DLCs has decreased, as reflected by the price of the GOTY.

However, only those who already bought the game don't see this change reflected in the prices. 

 

 

I've been yelling this at the top of my lungs for the last week, and the response I got was:

'It's not fair the people who waited get a better deal.'

As much as I hate econ, maybe the US educational system needs to pair that with our civics requirement. Some people just don't get capitalism

 

And maybe some people don't live in the US, or don't think "capitalism" is great.

How can we say that a system that always aims for "growth", be it detrimental for the environment or other people in the world, is a success?

Because we don't see the impact in the short-term?

I'm not "against" capitalism, but the way it "works" today sure is destructive.

 

Edit: Although many of these problems are more related to "liberalism" than "capitalism" per se...

[Zatche]

As we said, the point is that now, the value of the game AND the DLCs has decreased, as reflected by the price of the GOTY.
However, only those who already bought the game don't see this change reflected in the prices.

I don't agree with that first point, actually. Sure, the market value and our own perceived value tend to go down with time, but it's gradual, and this isn't a reflection of that. The only reflection of that is the base game going down to $40. The GOTY discount is an incentive to buy more content all at once in a bundle form. Buying bundles and buying in bulk for any kind of product is just about always cheaper than buying pieces individually.

[Pallando]

I don't agree with that first point, actually. Sure, the market value and our own perceived value tend to go down with time, but it's gradual, and this isn't a reflection of that. The only reflection of that is the base game going down to $40. The GOTY discount is an incentive to buy more content all at once in a bundle form. Buying bundles and buying in bulk for any kind of product is just about always cheaper than buying pieces individually.

 

The reason for that is normally to manage stocks of physical goods. What's the added value of a digital bundle for them?

When you have to own a game to buy a DLC, why is it less expensive to buy it bundled? If the base game is $40 and the GOTY is $60, that means that any new potential buyer will see all the supplementary content sold for $20. 

If they sold all the DLCs for $20 for those who bought the base game (be it yesterday or last year), they would give the same incentive to other customers to buy the remaining content, and they'd do a lot more sales than they do with the GOTY.

 

But they don't do that for 2 reasons: 

• listing DLCs as worth $55 (so more than base game) will make new buyers think it's a cheap deal ($20)
• it forces current (and interested) customers to either buy the DLCs at the current price or wait some more for a sale, while it's already been reduced for everyone else: it's a form of "war of attrition" against these customers. 

[Zatche]

When you ask what the added value is for them, who is them? EA/Bioware?

[Pallando]

When you ask what the added value is for them, who is them? EA/Bioware?

 

The publisher.

[Zatche]

Lots of software publishers, telecommunication companies, and other businesses offer bundles, not because of managing physical goods, but because it provides an incentive for the consumer to buy more stuff without adding a whole lot to their production or distribution costs.

Would EA/Bioware benefit from offering a GOTY upgrade for the same reason that they offer the GOTY edition at all? Maybe, maybe not.

Non-existing consumers require more effort as a general rule for any product, so the entire GOTY is just a big marketing push towards them. It reminds them that DAI won a whole bunch of awards and gives them a discount for the game+DLC, because many late adopters might not even buy the DLC at all if the bundle wasn't offered. Us existing customers, as a general trend in any industry, are much more likely to buy the DLC at full price and require much less effort to appeal to.

So, out of the people who bought the game early but not the DLC, who is the bigger factor? Those who will not buy the DLC at full price and will move on if a discount doesn't come soon? Or those who will buy the DLC at full price, but haven't gotten around to it? We can only answer with speculation. You might think it's the former, but EA seems to think the latter. I think it's a tough call, but I'd also think it's the former. Maybe EA has some predictive forecast modelling software that backs their answer up. Or maybe they're wingin' it.

[Pallando]

Lots of software publishers, telecommunication companies, and other businesses offer bundles, not because of managing physical goods, but because it provides an incentive for the consumer to buy more stuff without adding a whole lot to their production or distribution costs.

Would EA/Bioware benefit from offering a GOTY upgrade for the same reason that they offer the GOTY edition at all? Maybe, maybe not.

Non-existing consumers require more effort as a general rule for any product, so the entire GOTY is just a big marketing push towards them. It reminds them that DAI won a whole bunch of awards and gives them a discount for the game+DLC, because many late adopters might not even buy the DLC at all if the bundle wasn't offered. Us existing customers, as a general trend in any industry, are much more likely to buy the DLC at full price and require much less effort to appeal to.

So, out of the people who bought the game early but not the DLC, who is the bigger factor? Those who will not buy the DLC at full price and will move on if a discount doesn't come soon? Or those who will buy the DLC at full price, but haven't gotten around to it? We can only answer with speculation. You might think it's the former, but EA seems to think the latter. I think it's a tough call, but I'd also think it's the former. Maybe EA has some predictive forecast modelling software that backs their answer up. Or maybe they're wingin' it.

 

 

As a general rule, companies tend to appeal to new customers, but they're less "cost-effective" as businesses need more marketing to get to them than they do with their current customers. But it's a trend. Short-term oriented business, as usual. So they choose to neglect "current customers", betting that they can make more profit off of them.

It's really obvious with IAP and phone carriers, at least in my country: they perpetually give good offers to new customers, while their tech support usually sucks...

 

Once again, EA does decide the prices. But customers can say they feel these are too high given the current situation.

And from a business standpoint, I'm not sure they're making the best decisions: I don't think their marketing team see all the parameters, and they may not be thinking enough "out of the box". Origin, and their store, is not going to lead by applying the same old practices and lagging behind others...

But that's my opinion, and I'm certainly no marketing genius.

[Ariella]

And maybe some people don't live in the US, or don't think "capitalism" is great.

Deal with it. This is not some big conspiracy this is not people out to get you, this is just the way business works. And if you're going to get on your high horse about a luxury item... Maybe you need to get your priorities in order.

Yes, people who waited got a better deal. This is the way of the world.

War of attrition? I think you need to step back, and stop jumping at shadows, especially since you have no clue what you're talking about.

We don't know how much it cost to produce the DLC, we don't know how many units would cover the cost and then make a decent profit by EA standards. EA does not owe us a bundle or a better deal. The responsibility for a better deal is one the consumer. Do a little research, wait a little bit and see what happens, and try not to impulse buy.

[o Ventus]

 

Yes. And?

As we said, the point is that now, the value of the game AND the DLCs has decreased, as reflected by the price of the GOTY.

However, only those who already bought the game don't see this change reflected in the prices. 

 

 

Yes, because you bought the game nearly a year before everyone else, so the change in prices doesn't apply to you. You've had access to the product for far, far longer than someone who waits for a GOTY edition. You're also buying the DLCs separately, not in a discounted bundle. You're buying them a la carte, not all together. You are not the target demographic for the discounted bundles, and neither am I. Except I'm not making a big deal about it because by the time the GOTY edition came out, I've played through DAI at least 8 times. If you bought DAI when it was new (plus any digital purchases you may have made form then to now), then Bioware and EA have already made their profit from you, move along.

 

How do people not understand basic economics?