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[GithCheater]

 

 

So why are you acting like a super loyal Bioware Fan and that should net you a discount when you aren't?

 

 

 

I preordered DAO, DAA and DA2 and purchased all the related DLC within days of its release.

 

I preordered DAI in November and ordered Jaws in March.  I have yet to play Jaws as I decided to start another DAI playthrough.

 

My attitude toward EA/Bioware soured when their screwing over last-gen customers was stealth marketed as "Good News".

 

EA Bioware at one time tried to make up for their mistakes (free ME2 to DA2 customers and correcting the ME3 fiasco)

 

EA/Bioware seems to be getting worse at customer service.

 

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As for why for why I think the DLC at list price is unreasonable:

 

DAI is selling at less than half off list price, yet EA/Bioware cannot give even a 1% discount on individual DAI DLC to existing customers.

 

The deluxe upgrade plus all DLC for DAI cost $65, while the GotY edition costs $60.

 

Witch Hunt still sells at list price five years after release.

 

Talk about bassackwards and ludicrous ...

 

 

It is very disappointing that I had to complain in order to not pay an inflated price, although at least I do not feel ripped now.

[Realmzmaster]

I'm sorry but your post is wildly inconsistent.

 

Why do they owe you a discount? Because you ordered the game pre-release? Ok, did you order the DLCs pre/at release? Of course not or you wouldn't be here complaining. So why are you acting like a super loyal Bioware Fan and that should net you a discount when you aren't? If all you care about is getting the best price then never ever buy a game at release. They will ALWAYS be on sale at some point post-release for a much better deal than buying at release. I'm willing to bet if you were willing to wait for 2 more months (less than actually) all the DLCs will be on sale around xmas.

 

As for the item packs: I vehemently disagree with whole concept of item packs. Why should anyone spend $5 for some items that literally would take a single developer & artist a few hours to make? Any semi-competent software dev system will make it easy to add things like items (I know because I am a Software Engineer and we always make nice APIs or other end points to add rows to tables and such). Item Packs have no story content, and are things that used to be included in the accompanying DLC (Spoilers of the Avaar would have 5 years ago been part of Jaws of Hakkon at no extra cost). Item Packs are evil incarnate.

 

I find it funny that those complaining fail to understand without gamers buying the dlc or early adopting the game there would be no GOTY edition. For example DA2 has no game of the year edition.

The game was not received well and got only two dlcs (three dlcs if you include the Exiled Prince which came with the Signature version free)(plus two minor item packs) and the planned expansion and any other dlcs were scrapped. Very few gamers are screaming for a GOTY version of DA2 or upset because the dlc is not on sale and the only place to get it is Bioware/EA website with Bioware points.

 

Without the early adopters and those who continue to buy the dlc thoughout the year there is no GOTY edition to complain about.

 

It is amazing that gamers complain about the free market system and capitalism except when it is to their advantage.

[Gothfather]

"Entitled" was my description of someone thinking that he rightfully ought to be allowed to buy individual parts of a bundle at the bundle's price. I wasn't talking about you in particular, since I didn't think you were one of those people. Should I revise that belief?

Remember, you were talking about players being mad about the existence of this bundle, not merely about players deciding not to buy the bundle. I wasn't responding to the part of your post where you said you wouldn't be buying it yourself, because I didn't see how you not buying it was of any particular interest. (Protip:that's why I only quoted the part of your post where you talk about players being offended by the existence of the bundle.) Lots of DAI players won't be buying this bundle. I'm not sure I'll buy it myself.

You didn't get around to answering my question. Why didn't people act butthurt about the DA:I UE?

 

I already bloody answered that question it was in my original post. What the hell is wrong with you and Night Haunter? You two can't be bothered to fully read a post? How about you READ my post on page 6 and see if you and ken the answer to your question. Has critical thought been thrown out the window because you don't agree with a position? My post was clear and concise, i suggest you stop insulting people and read it IF you actually want an answer to your question as it could very well be you trolling the thread. As far as I can see you are trolling this thread along with night haunter because the pair of you are baiting people, conflating what one group has said with what other said, which is what you did to me. this whole oh i didn't mean you i just quoted you or it was convenient to use your post that your both are using is BS. If you are referring and speaking to a different group don't quote a third party in this case me or make it bloody clear you are not speaking to the person you quoted.

 

Normally you at least bother to read a person's position and respond reasonably now you can't even be bothered reading people's posts and attack and insult them in this thread.

[AlanC9]

I already bloody answered that question it was in my original post. What the hell is wrong with you and Night Haunter? You two can't be bothered to fully read a post? How about you READ my post on page 6 and see if you and ken the answer to your question.

I did read it, and I directly responded to it. It's you who didn't answer my question about the post:

Did the DA:O UE also create that perception? I don't recall it, though I can see how gamers might have become more entitled over the last few years; standards sometimes change over time, and companies do have to adapt to them.

I don't know how we'd determine that the perception you're talking about is widespread enough to cause the effect you describe. We have a handful of complaints on this board, but absolutely everything Bio does leads to that.

Care to answer now? Why weren't people whining about the DA:O UE? Or did that happen and I just missed it?

Has critical thought been thrown out the window because you don't agree with a position? My post was clear and concise, i suggest you stop insulting people and read it IF you actually want an answer to your question as it could very well be you trolling the thread. As far as I can see you are trolling this thread along with night haunter because the pair of you are baiting people, conflating what one group has said with what other said, which is what you did to me. this whole oh i didn't mean you i just quoted you or it was convenient to use your post that your both are using is BS. If you are referring and speaking to a different group don't quote a third party in this case me or make it bloody clear you are not speaking to the person you quoted.

Normally you at least bother to read a person's position and respond reasonably now you can't even be bothered reading people's posts and attack and insult them in this thread.

This doesn't make much sense. I responded to your position with a question (and a speculation that maybe we can't get the right data to understand this issue), which you somehow interpreted as a personal attack. I'm still not clear how that happened. I didn't know then, and I still don't know now, if you are one of the people who shares "the PERCEPTION of EA saying "screw you," to people who previously bought the game but haven't purchased the DLCs.

Now, if you actually are one of the people who shares that perception, then I suppose I called you "entitled" too. And if you are a member of that group, I'll stand by that description. But then why were you talking about it only being a "perception"?

[Ariella]

I preordered DAO, DAA and DA2 and purchased all the related DLC within days of its release.
 
I preordered DAI in November

So what? Why does this matter? I did too. I preordered DAO collector's ed for xbox, DAA fox xbox, DA2 for xbox, and DAI for xbox all as soon as preorder was available. It's a convenience, and often one gets extras for doing so.

Why this is some sort of badge that should get you extra perks, I have no clue. You were promised the game at a certain price when you preordered. That was all you were promised. DLC is extra, it's always been extra.

You know what your resume of preorders and a knife will get you? The ability to slice bread. EA made no promises beyond providing the base games you purchased.

Why this is difficult to understand is beyond me.

[Worlok]

It's really sad to read forums like this and see how incredibly uneducated people are. 

 

Not only do customers think EA is making an absurd decision with the dlc prices and no bundle, but the free market also giving EA the finger.

 

Some people have lots of disposable income, or are just not very smart with money and will buy everything as it comes out, generally without regard to price. People buy things that they want. This is basic revenue. Free market at work.

 

Some people don't buy the game at launch because goty will come out in a year. Some of these people get the game, others forget and move on. This equates to lost revenue and more lost revenue. Free market at work.

 

Some people will grudingly pay full dlc price, others will not buy it at all because of the absurd price. This equates to lost revenue. Free market at work.

 

When a company continually acts in a manner to upset it's customers, it loses customers. This equates to lost revenue. This also equates to being universally lambasted and listed as the worst company. Bad reputation equates to lost potential customers and more lost revenue. More free market.

 

For people that aren't complete fools, you can understand that there is a point where a price being too high will incur lost revenue because less people buy. There is also a point where the price being too low will incur lost revenue because there are not enough people buying to pay the difference in cost. We don't know what that right price is, but obviously this price is excessively high. 

 

Some people are not going to pay for this dlc and are not going to play the game anymore. I'm one of them. It's a rip off. Some of those people (like those on this forum) will make a formal complaint, others won't even do EA the service of telling them they are making a foolish decision. Yes, our negative feedback is actually worth money to them and that makes us worth more than people that don't even complain.

 

If DLC is lowered to $30, it gives those that paid $70 a year ago incentive to buy it. If it is kept at the current price, it gives us incentive not to buy it. So, do you people believe that EA will make more money with us not buying it at all than if they lowered the price? The free market suggests that they need to lower the price. I suggest that they need to lower the price. 

 

EA is slowly failing as a company, slowly losing revenue and customers, and will slowly die off because it is run well for the corporate bonuses, and run badly for absolutely everybody else. EA will disappear for a few rich men, or EA will shape up and make even more rich men and more happy customers.

 

There are two sides to this argument. Morons and people that think lowering DLC prices to increase revenue and positive opinions of the company are good ideas.

[o Ventus]

 

There are two sides to this argument. Morons and people that think lowering DLC prices to increase revenue and positive opinions of the company are good ideas.

 

Adorable. You bottleneck everyone who doesn't share this same viewpoint into the label of "idiot".

 

Also, when does DLC -ever- decrease in price outside specific timed sales?

[London]

Adorable. You bottleneck everyone who doesn't share this same viewpoint into the label of "idiot".
 
Also, when does DLC -ever- decrease in price outside specific timed sales?

This is hard to answer because most games I have purchased had the good sense to offer season passes or digital upgrade options. I haven't really had to deal with this problem aside from here.

The only games I have that haven't offered this were BioWare games and Skyrim. However, you can now buy Game of the Year versions of Skyrim and DA:O that cost less than the combined price of the DLC - which I do think is stupid also.

[AlanC9]

Maybe this is just how CRPGs roll? I only play CRPGs and strategy games, and I've never yet got a digital upgrade option. I own multiple copies of a couple of Paradox games because that was the cheapest way to get the DLCs.

Edit: I actually play a few shooters too. Had to buy Half-Life 2 twice for the Episodes.

Which games gave upgrade options?

[IAmNotHere]

I was also expecting for a DLC bundle or a GOTY upgrade. From business perspective, I think these are good decisions and that EA is losing money for not having them. Or, at the very least, losing my money (which probably doesn't bother EA much since I'm merely one person). I'd love to make a long, great ideological speech on why but the sad truth is far more practical: money

I already own the base game + JoH. I never buy cosmetic stuff, so I will never buy the Spoils. I'm not really sure I'd like The Descent (so I'm leaning on not to buy it) and although I don't consider DA:I a total failure, it has disappointed me on many areas, meaning I’m thinking twice about Trespasser.

Plus, in my country, one DA:I DLC costs half the full price of games like Shadow of Mordor and GTA V. 2 DA:I DLCs + $5/10 costs the same as Tom Clancy’s The Division and Alien: Isolation Collection. All 3 DLCs equals the price of Total War: WARHAMMER

Meaning maybe, and just maybe, I'll buy Trespasser if it ever goes on sale. And if I decide I'm finished with DA:I before buying Trespasser, I'd probably never buy it at all

However, had I the choice to upgrade my standard edition to the GOTY I'd do it. And, considering that the DLCs added items to the base game (which I'm playing right now), I'd probably even have it at full price because, you know, I'm human and reason can only go so far

I don't think I'm entitled to the upgrade but I cannot deny it would be great to have the option to do so

Anyway, just my 2 cents

[AlanC9]

arket at work.
 
Some people don't buy the game at launch because goty will come out in a year. Some of these people get the game, others forget and move on. This equates to lost revenue and more lost revenue. Free market at work.
 

Isn't this an argument for never doing a GOTY?

If DLC is lowered to $30, it gives those that paid $70 a year ago incentive to buy it. If it is kept at the current price, it gives us incentive not to buy it. So, do you people believe that EA will make more money with us not buying it at all than if they lowered the price? The free market suggests that they need to lower the price. I suggest that they need to lower the price. 

What they lose from you not buying at a discounted price they intend to more than make up from other people buying at full price rather than waiting for the GOTY, of course. Will they? Beats me.

[London]

They are also simultaneously losing good will. The cost of this is unknown but it's more than just an analysis of solely who buys DLC v those who are now skipping it.

As far as games with upgrade options - I buy the Street Fighter games religiously and then offered cheap upgrades with each update.

Original game: $60
New edition: $40 for new customers for full game.
Upgrade for existing owners: $15.

Civilization V has an upgrade you can buy on Steam.


Looked around Steam and it seems that GOTY upgrades are not common. So I guess a couple publishers are just ahead of their time and this is not a norm. Instead most publishers seem to have Game of the Years on steam Sale for $5-$10 and the DLC being sold for $20 - $50 *boggle*. At some point someone has to see how dumb this looks.

I think anyone who still cares about the DLC can wait for the game to end up in the $20 bin next year, or hope for one of those very rare EA sales with hefty discounts since it's not on Steam EA does this less often than Steam though they recently were selling DAO for like $2 along with the early witcher games.

[o Ventus]

This is hard to answer because most games I have purchased had the good sense to offer season passes or digital upgrade options. I haven't really had to deal with this problem aside from here.

The only games I have that haven't offered this were BioWare games and Skyrim. However, you can now buy Game of the Year versions of Skyrim and DA:O that cost less than the combined price of the DLC - which I do think is stupid also.

 

I guess we've reached the singularity where people will claim that season passes are good sense. Not that I personally take any issue with season passes, but with how vehemently dumb consumers seem to hate any kind of post-release content that is purchased for money, I'm a bit surprised to see anyone advocate a season pass.

 

I don't think I've ever played any game that has offered a discount or package on DLC (regardless of whether it has a GOTY edition or not). Just looking at my Steam library here, I have all 3 Borderlands games, Batman Arkham Asylum and Arkham City, Alan Wake, Dishonored, Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas, Skyrim, Metro Last Light, Payday 2, and every Saints Row game, as just a few examples. I've seen those games on sale where DLC was sold at a discount, but those are always timed and end after a few hours or days.

[GithCheater]

Adorable. You bottleneck everyone who doesn't share this same viewpoint into the label of "idiot".

 

 

... and you bottleneck the opposing viewpoint as "stupid"

 

Charming.

[o Ventus]

... and you bottleneck the opposing viewpoint as "stupid"

 

Charming.

I said that a specific group of people are stupid. Not "the opposition" all under a blanket label. 

[AlanC9]

Looked around Steam and it seems that GOTY upgrades are not common. So I guess a couple publishers are just ahead of their time and this is not a norm. Instead most publishers seem to have Game of the Years on steam Sale for $5-$10 and the DLC being sold for $20 - $50 *boggle*. At some point someone has to see how dumb this looks.

Another possible interpretation of this data is that GOTY upgrades aren't ever going to be the norm. We'd need to look more carefully at the data to try to answer this.
 

I think anyone who still cares about the DLC can wait for the game to end up in the $20 bin next year, or hope for one of those very rare EA sales with hefty discounts since it's not on Steam EA does this less often than Steam though they recently were selling DAO for like $2 along with the early witcher games.

I'm not sure about the italed. Can Valve outright force companies to have a Steam sale? Although I guess Valve could forgo their own cut of the product's Steam price at will.

[The Night Haunter]

Another possible interpretation of this data is that GOTY upgrades aren't ever going to be the norm. We'd need to look more carefully at the data to try to answer this.
 

I'm not sure about the italed.

Proper nomenclature is 'Italicized'. 

 

 Can Valve outright force companies to have a Steam sale? Although I guess Valve could forgo their own cut of the product's Steam price at will.

Yes they can. It is part of the contract a developer/publisher signs when they agree to have their games marketed on steam. There is a limit to the number and frequency of non-dev sponsored sales, but basically Steam can put anything on steam on sale, with or without a publishers approval (which is good for consumers, since Steam is generally pretty favorable with its sales).

[London]

Either way, EA did not put DAI on Steam. So we have to rely on EA for any discounts I'm guessing.

Also realized I forgot an obvious answer - Witcher 2 had free upgrades to the Enhanced edition. Figured it's relevant as a CRPG example.

[Zatche]

Either way, EA did not put DAI on Steam. So we have to rely on EA for any discounts I'm guessing.

Origin will likely do periodic discounts. If people cared enough, they could likely also look at Amazon or Green Man Gaming for sales.

Also realized I forgot an obvious answer - Witcher 2 had free upgrades to the Enhanced edition. Figured it's relevant as a CRPG example.

Witcher 2 DLC was already free and small in scope. So, that's more akin to DAI's Black Emporium and Golden Nug, though W2 DLC did include new missions. Witcher 3, however, does have a Season Pass for its expansions. But Deus Ex: Human Revolution's upgrade to the Director's Cut is probably a better example for what you're looking for. And Arkham City GOTY. I got that for free eventually.

I do think the argument that these types of deals and giveaways garner goodwill is certainly valid. It's just really hard to measure in quantifiable terms. And it's likely a tougher sell for publishers with less open minded stakeholders.

[Ariella]

Either way, EA did not put DAI on Steam. So we have to rely on EA for any discounts I'm guessing.

Also realized I forgot an obvious answer - Witcher 2 had free upgrades to the Enhanced edition. Figured it's relevant as a CRPG example.

Do you know WHY EA didn't put DAI on Steam? Because Steam was demanding that DLC be sold through them rather than through Bioware at the time. EA said no because Steam wanted a big piece of the DLC price. This is why DAO was the last BW game on Steam.

Edit: actually I was wrong. It was STEAM that pulled DA2 because of the DLC being sold within the game via Bioware points. The same reason why Crysis 2 was.

http://www.ign.com/a...eam-ea-responds

http://www.pcgamer.c...-disappearance/

So we going to yell EA corporate greed when it was Steam's restrictive DLC policy and Steam's choice?

As for the "free upgrade". There was no tutorial and balance sucked when W2 came out on PC. Hell they hadn't localized lip flaps for languages. All of this was released,in the Enhanced Edition, interestingly, in time with the Console release, which had everything. Why release a game half finished on PC when you're releasing the full version on Console in a few months?

Modifié par Ariella, 28 octobre 2015 - 03:19 .

[AlanC9]

Proper nomenclature is 'Italicized'. 

Got me. The more I post on the web, the sloppier I get.
 

Yes they can. It is part of the contract a developer/publisher signs when they agree to have their games marketed on steam. There is a limit to the number and frequency of non-dev sponsored sales, but basically Steam can put anything on steam on sale, with or without a publishers approval (which is good for consumers, since Steam is generally pretty favorable with its sales).

Interesting. I can see why EA would want to opt out of that, even without the DLC issue.

[AlanC9]

Origin will likely do periodic discounts. If people cared enough, they could likely also look at Amazon or Green Man Gaming for sales.

But not DLC, apparently. Though the DAI GOTY will take care of that eventually.

[kimgoold]

Does the GOTY have anything new? I have the base game and all the dlc except anything multiplayer, is there anything new - armours, weapons, decor?

not really interested unless there is something I don't already have.

[Zatche]

But not DLC, apparently. Though the DAI GOTY will take care of that eventually.

I've seen JoH on sale on Origin. Amazon can sell DLC codes, so I don't see how they couldn't have a sale on that if they wanted.

Well frick, if anyone's interested, Amazon is selling DAI GOTY for $40, right now. (Edit: PC download only. And the Deluxe Edition is $100 for some reason.)

[Zatche]

Does the GOTY have anything new? I have the base game and all the dlc except anything multiplayer, is there anything new - armours, weapons, decor?
not really interested unless there is something I don't already have.

Nothing you can't buy individually.