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[shaneo8709]

Third, Trespasser has been out literally a month tomorrow. Descent will be two months on the eleventh. You really expect EA to undercut themselves? They are in the business of making money. That may seem offensive, but EA employees have to pay bills too. EA also has to make its stockholders happy. Way of the world.

 

Thats true, and thats why i'm saying it would be good for them to get some faith and good will back so people dont avoid their products altogether. If Bioware didnt release DA2 with so much recycled junk zones and release DA:I on pc in a poor state, they would have more of it. As it is now the quality of their products feels to be going down hill. EA could offer dlc cheaper or have the option to upgrade and still make money they wouldn't otherwise get. With current DLC prices and the price for the deluxe version that offered pretty bad digital content, it doesnt seem like EA has pricing that feels worth it. But to be honest I have had no real faith in EA to begin with. They are notorious for gathering up good IP's and seeing the products go to crap and charging a ton in dlc and micropay for content. Having a good user base is how they keep everyone happy. Looking at CD Project Red and how they handled dlc, content fixes/upgrades in all the Witcher titles feels so much better. Their minor dlc is free and the upcoming dlc is rumored to be 10-20 hours at 10 dollars. Their pricing seems better and while I cant judge the content yet, i have much more faith their product will be worth it.  At this rate I see Bioware continuing a downward spiral while better companies take its place.

[OdanUrr]

I'm not sure I see the problem. If, at the time, you felt the game was not up to your standards for whatever reason, you could've made use of Origin's Great Game Guarantee. I did it with Titanfall and it worked like a charm, they refunded it without a hitch. You could've then waited till the game was patched to buy it again at a later date. However, you can't honestly expect them to refund you a purchase almost a year after the fact.

 

The GOTY edition is just the core game plus the DLC. Buying the GOTY edition is a pretty good deal for people who don't already own the game. For those who do it's cheaper to just buy the DLC. However, it sounds like you're asking that they sell you an upgrade at $10 (the difference between the core game and GOTY) for content upwards of $45. Why should they do that? That's never going to happen.

 

The moral of the story being: if you want to buy games cheap, wait a year after launch. No company is going to reward you for giving them your money earlier.

[Mr.House]

Thats true, and thats why i'm saying it would be good for them to get some faith and good will back so people dont avoid their products altogether. If Bioware didnt release DA2 with so much recycled junk zones and release DA:I on pc in a poor state, they would have more of it. As it is now the quality of their products feels to be going down hill. EA could offer dlc cheaper or have the option to upgrade and still make money they wouldn't otherwise get. With current DLC prices and the price for the deluxe version that offered pretty bad digital content, it doesnt seem like EA has pricing that feels worth it. But to be honest I have had no real faith in EA to begin with. They are notorious for gathering up good IP's and seeing the products go to crap and charging a ton in dlc and micropay for content. Having a good user base is how they keep everyone happy. Looking at CD Project Red and how they handled dlc, content fixes/upgrades in all the Witcher titles feels so much better. Their minor dlc is free and the upcoming dlc is rumored to be 10-20 hours at 10 dollars. Their pricing seems better and while I cant judge the content yet, i have much more faith their product will be worth it.  At this rate I see Bioware continuing a downward spiral while better companies take its place.

lolno. CDP since patch 6 has kept breaking the game and many people still can't beat the game because of game breaking bugs introduced from patcxhes 6 & on, and certain dlcs.

 

You're also paying for an expac, not dlc.

[Ariella]

Thats true, and thats why i'm saying it would be good for them to get some faith and good will back so people dont avoid their products altogether. If Bioware didnt release DA2 with so much recycled junk zones and release DA:I on pc in a poor state, they would have more of it.

Bull. EA has to make money. You're asking them to undercut themselves and give you, as OdanUrr points out, a DLC bundle that's worth forty buck for ten. That's not going to make them money, and it's probable that it wouldn't cover costs for the DLC in the first place, since it has been only a month or two.

As it is now the quality of their products feels to be going down hill. EA could offer dlc cheaper or have the option to upgrade and still make money they wouldn't otherwise get.

Considering we don't know how much it cost to make the DLC we don't know if it's true or not. Wishing it true does not make it so. And before we get the whole "CDPR did..." please consider that labor cost in Canada are higher than labor in Poland.

[DAOnut]

Bull. EA has to make money. You're asking them to undercut themselves and give you, as OdanUrr points out, a DLC bundle that's worth forty buck for ten. That's not going to make them money, and it's probable that it wouldn't cover costs for the DLC in the first place, since it has been only a month or two.
 

 

You are so very bad with math.

I pre-ordered at $70 last year.  No problem, I love the game and have my moneys worth.  Now today I want to buy all the DLC, it will cost me an additional $55.

Now say I never played DAI and bought it today, the same deluxe version sells for $50.  Now I want to buy all the DLC, it will cost me an additional $10 to upgrade to the goty.

 

So the pre-order person who helped make the game GOTY will spend $70 + $55 = $125.

The new person (which is great to get more people into DA) will spend $60.  This is today.  So why is EA selling all the DLC to new people for $10, and supporters for $55, today.

 

 

This leads to another issue, this is the only game where the players do not support each other.  Look what happened when Steam wanted to charge for Skyrim mods.  The entire community fought back and Steam reversed course.  There are other examples with other series.  Here in the land of Dragon Age, the players attack each other violently.  Just read the mod boards where people attack modders who make something they dont like.  Maybe the DA series should die as there is not a unified fan base.

[Ariella]

You are so very bad with math.
I pre-ordered at $70 last year.  No problem, I love the game and have my moneys worth.  Now today I want to buy all the DLC, it will cost me an additional $55.
Now say I never played DAI and bought it today, the same deluxe version sells for $50.  Now I want to buy all the DLC, it will cost me an additional $10 to upgrade to the goty.
 
So the pre-order person who helped make the game GOTY will spend $70 + $55 = $125.
The new person (which is great to get more people into DA) will spend $60.  This is today.  So why is EA selling all the DLC to new people for $10, and supporters for $55, today.
 
 
This leads to another issue, this is the only game where the players do not support each other.  Look what happened when Steam wanted to charge for Skyrim mods.  The entire community fought back and Steam reversed course.  There are other examples with other series.  Here in the land of Dragon Age, the players attack each other violently.  Just read the mod boards where people attack modders who make something they dont like.  Maybe the DA series should die as there is not a unified fan base.

Did you bother to read what I said? I was referring to this comment by OdanUrr:
 

The GOTY edition is just the core game plus the DLC. Buying the GOTY edition is a pretty good deal for people who don't already own the game. For those who do it's cheaper to just buy the DLC. However, it sounds like you're asking that they sell you an upgrade at $10 (the difference between the core game and GOTY) for content upwards of $45. Why should they do that? That's never going to happen.

So no, not so bad at math, but making a reference to something you didn't bother to find the context for.

As for your "if I buy today" shtick... If you buy today and are smart, you're going to buy the goty edition. If you don't that's your problem, not EA.

And then there's the fact the OP wasn't buying the game today, but had it for a year and now wants to get a refund on his game so he can buy the goty edition, thus getting the DLC for less than he would have paid with the core game, but at the same time having all the advantages of having a year of gameplay, saved games and the like. EA is more likely to give refunds to people who bought older gen console versions.

In short, actually putting some thought into your purchases is probably a good idea.

Edit:

Unified Fanbase? What does that have to do with anything? So the Skyrim modders united to stop Steam? Big deal, what does that has to do with Dragon Age? Just because the forums get pissy doesn't mean the game should end. And modding isn't exactly the draw to Dragon Age that it is to Bethesda games. You don't need to read the forums to be a fan, you don't need to read the forums to enjoy the games. Wanting the franchise to die because there are vocal jerks here is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Modifié par Ariella, 07 octobre 2015 - 11:55 .

[Mr.House]

You are so very bad with math.

I pre-ordered at $70 last year.  No problem, I love the game and have my moneys worth.  Now today I want to buy all the DLC, it will cost me an additional $55.

Now say I never played DAI and bought it today, the same deluxe version sells for $50.  Now I want to buy all the DLC, it will cost me an additional $10 to upgrade to the goty.

 

So the pre-order person who helped make the game GOTY will spend $70 + $55 = $125.

The new person (which is great to get more people into DA) will spend $60.  This is today.  So why is EA selling all the DLC to new people for $10, and supporters for $55, today.

 

 

This leads to another issue, this is the only game where the players do not support each other.  Look what happened when Steam wanted to charge for Skyrim mods.  The entire community fought back and Steam reversed course.  There are other examples with other series.  Here in the land of Dragon Age, the players attack each other violently.  Just read the mod boards where people attack modders who make something they dont like.  Maybe the DA series should die as there is not a unified fan base.

Yeah no. Bioware fanbase is nowhere as bad as FF, Atlus and Zelda fanbases which continue to make and roll in money despite how ununfied and "toxic" they are.

[DAOnut]

Ariella, I agree with you that the other poster was a bit silly in expecting a full refund.  If I was able to buy DAI from Costco they would have refunded me no problem.

 

I do not want a refund, my disappointment is not having an upgrade path for the people that made the game GOTY like many other companies do.  EA does offer upgrade paths for some of their other games such as BF4 for early supporters (for which I eagerly spent my money on).  In any event I do hope ME4 does well, as this time around I will not be one of the early supporters, knowing now that I will be left by the wayside.  

[DAOnut]

Unified Fanbase? What does that have to do with anything? So the Skyrim modders united to stop Steam? Big deal, what does that has to do with Dragon Age? Just because the forums get pissy doesn't mean the game should end. And modding isn't exactly the draw to Dragon Age that it is to Bethesda games. You don't need to read the forums to be a fan, you don't need to read the forums to enjoy the games. Wanting the franchise to die because there are vocal jerks here is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

There are lots of great mods out for the entire DA line, of which I have enjoyed on DAO, DA2, DAI.  Which is why I game on PC, for the mods.

My point was there were hundreds trying to make it better for everyone in that situation.  Here there are a few of us trying, and having many more fans would definitely help!!

[SurelyForth]

There are lots of great mods out for the entire DA line, of which I have enjoyed on DAO, DA2, DAI.  Which is why I game on PC, for the mods.

My point was there were hundreds trying to make it better for everyone in that situation.  Here there are a few of us trying, and having many more fans would definitely help!!

 

Maybe the reason why the fanbase isn't unified is because the "issues" being championed within the fandom tend to be non-issues. Like this one. Capitalism is a thing, early adapters tend to not get the best deals on anything (and sometimes have to deal with products that don't live up to their expectations!), and developers deserve to make money for the things they develop. The OP can gnash their teeth as much as they want, but the fact is that they want a thing that EA has decided not to offer, and them not giving it to him because he wants them to isn't poor service. It's just business. 

[Ariella]

Maybe the reason why the fanbase isn't unified is because the "issues" being championed within the fandom tend to be non-issues. Like this one. Capitalism is a thing, early adapters tend to not get the best deals on anything (and sometimes have to deal with products that don't live up to their expectations!), and developers deserve to make money for the things they develop. The OP can gnash their teeth as much as they want, but the fact is that they want a thing that EA has decided not to offer, and them not giving it to him because he wants them to isn't poor service. It's just business.

Thank you God!

Sometimes I wonder if people forget everything that goes into putting these games together and that they exist as a profit making device.

You managed this more succinctly and with more grace than I'm feeling at the moment. I salute you.

[The Night Haunter]

 

I pre-ordered at $70 last year.  No problem, I love the game and have my moneys worth.  Now today I want to buy all the DLC, it will cost me an additional $55.

Now say I never played DAI and bought it today, the same deluxe version sells for $50.  Now I want to buy all the DLC, it will cost me an additional $10 to upgrade to the goty.

Ok? If you bought the game a year ago then you've been playing, or had the opportunity to play, for about 10 months. The cheaper price tag for someone who is starting now is because they were willing to not play DAI at all until the GotY/ultimate edition was released. If you have the willpower and don't care about a game too much then it is always cheaper in the long run to wait for a bundle set. Every AAA game I've ever seen has ended up with a Game of the Year, Ultimate Edition, Director's Cut, etc... and it is always the most cost effective way to go from not owning any part of the game to getting the game + xpansions and DLCs.

 

Saying that you've had the game for a year and then expecting to be able to still get the most cost effective route is silly. As for 'loyalty' well, DA's most Loyal players already have all the DLC anyway (except maybe the spoils), so idk how anyone thinks that will help their argument.

[Elhanan]

Generally, I have a choice between playing a game soon after launch, or wait and see if prices are reduced, or specials are made available. Have done this both ways, but seem to enjoy being involved with Bioware titles from launch; also one of a few companies I am willing to make a pre-order. Have yet to be disappointed in the long run.

Thing is, sometimes specials are not available (eg DA2), and makes me a tad happier to know I did not wait. As nobody can read the future, this seems to be a call for each Player.

But to expect a practice based on prior purchases seems off to me. Disagree with the OP.

[RenAdaar]

Doesn't really bug me.

There are plenty of games that I have purchased the then bought the GOTY version when it was released (basically all of them Bethesda games). I don't see how I am owed a deal because I didn't wait for the GOTY edition. If a company wants to offer an upgrade for GOTY that's cool. But just because some do doesn't mean every game company has to as well.     

[DAOnut]

You are missing the point.  EA has bundled their dlc and discounted it in the past for other games, such as with BattleField 4.  I pre-ordered BF4.  I waited for all the dlc to be released, and was able to buy it at the discounted bundle price.  The bundle price was available for everyone, both new and prior purchasers, same price.

So the question is why is EA not doing this for DAI?   Maybe they are working on it, maybe not.  It would be nice to get some type of communication to help plan for the expenditure.  Its not a question of "if" I will get it, but rather "when" and "how much".

[OdanUrr]

You are so very bad with math.

I pre-ordered at $70 last year.  No problem, I love the game and have my moneys worth.  Now today I want to buy all the DLC, it will cost me an additional $55.

Now say I never played DAI and bought it today, the same deluxe version sells for $50.  Now I want to buy all the DLC, it will cost me an additional $10 to upgrade to the goty.

 

So the pre-order person who helped make the game GOTY will spend $70 + $55 = $125.

The new person (which is great to get more people into DA) will spend $60.  This is today.  So why is EA selling all the DLC to new people for $10, and supporters for $55, today.

 

Because they're not, well, they are but they aren't. Here's the gist of it, The GOTY edition is made to attract new players, people who for X reason didn't buy the game at launch nor in the 11 months that followed. So here's EA/BioWare releasing a new edition of the game with more bang per buck hoping it will turn potential buyers into actual buyers. The reasoning is not, "I'm selling all DLC for $10" but rather, "I'm convincing the people who didn't spend $60 then to spend $60 now." Just think of it, if a person wasn't willing to spend $60 on the game then and now you tell them that they need to fork over the price of two (new) games to get the complete experience, chances are they'll spend their money in those two (new) games.

 

It may sting a little considering Trespasser is barely a month old but that's the way it is. If you'd rather this didn't happen to you, then my advice for you is to wait. Waiting is free; immediacy has a price.

[DAOnut]

Because they're not, well, they are but they aren't. Here's the gist of it, The GOTY edition is made to attract new players, people who for X reason didn't buy the game at launch nor in the 11 months that followed. So here's EA/BioWare releasing a new edition of the game with more bang per buck hoping it will turn potential buyers into actual buyers. The reasoning is not, "I'm selling all DLC for $10" but rather, "I'm convincing the people who didn't spend $60 then to spend $60 now." Just think of it, if a person wasn't willing to spend $60 on the game then and now you tell them that they need to fork over the price of two (new) games to get the complete experience, chances are they'll spend their money in those two (new) games.

 

It may sting a little considering Trespasser is barely a month old but that's the way it is. If you'd rather this didn't happen to you, then my advice for you is to wait. Waiting is free; immediacy has a price.

 

Yes, you understand!!  So for me, spending another $55 for the dlc is not an option (as much as I love DAI).  I was waiting patiently for another sale, and I thought with the release of the GOTY that there would be something on the individual DLCs (as EA has done in the past but this time for some reason they are not).  Now perhaps for the holiday they will discount the GOTY, in which case it may become viable and I can eat buying another full copy.

[Eelectrica]

As consumers we have a choice to buy at first release and pay more or wait a year or two and payless.

Still not seeing the issue here. I'm the last person to defend EA but this standard business practice across the board.
At some point the GOTY will reduce in price again.

[The Night Haunter]

You are missing the point.  EA has bundled their dlc and discounted it in the past for other games, such as with BattleField 4.  I pre-ordered BF4.  I waited for all the dlc to be released, and was able to buy it at the discounted bundle price.  The bundle price was available for everyone, both new and prior purchasers, same price.

So the question is why is EA not doing this for DAI?   Maybe they are working on it, maybe not.  It would be nice to get some type of communication to help plan for the expenditure.  Its not a question of "if" I will get it, but rather "when" and "how much".

Oh, I would bet real money that come post-xmas season the DAI GotY will have been on sale for at least 20% off at least once. If you are willing to wait until next summer I'd bet you could get the GotY edition for 25$. It is brand new right now, so for the next month it will stay at peak price, after which it will fluctuate as EA Market Analysts determine.

[Captain Wiseass]

You are so very bad with math.

I pre-ordered at $70 last year.  No problem, I love the game and have my moneys worth.  Now today I want to buy all the DLC, it will cost me an additional $55.

Now say I never played DAI and bought it today, the same deluxe version sells for $50.  Now I want to buy all the DLC, it will cost me an additional $10 to upgrade to the goty.

 

So the pre-order person who helped make the game GOTY will spend $70 + $55 = $125.

The new person (which is great to get more people into DA) will spend $60.  This is today.  So why is EA selling all the DLC to new people for $10, and supporters for $55, today.

 

You conveniently ignore (a) the fact that the base game now retails at substantially less than it did at launch ($25 for the PC version on Amazon) and ( the availability of a $10 Digital Deluxe Upgrade on Origin that makes buying the retail Deluxe Edition essentially spending $25 (it costs $60 on Amazon) for a fancy box and proving the old adage about fools and their money. Taking the current price of the base game and the DD Upgrade into account, the difference between that and the GOTY edition is, again, $25. This is still less than the cost of the DLC for those who pre-ordered or bought the game at launch, but that's what we in the adult world call a "trade-off". Pre-ordering or buying the game at launch gave you the added value of being able to play the game right away instead of having to wait for the price to go down. Intangible as that may be, it can still be expressed in dollar terms, and as a function of supply and demand; demand for games is always highest at launch, which drives up the price. Something similar happens with the DLC; Bioware makes most of its money off of that when the DLC launches, and can afford to offer a discount on any later bundled edition. Bundling all the content in the GOTY edition also offsets the decline in demand for the base game, and gives the people who waited their own version of the trade-off (a lower overall price, if a bundled edition ever happened, at the cost of having to wait to play the game).

 

You did not purchase any moral obligation for special treatment from Bioware or EA when you bought the game at launch. You do not possess any special cachet as a "supporter" for buying the game when you did. Everyone who buys the game, at any time, is a customer, and Bioware does not play favorites. The short answer to your final question is a combination of "Because they can" and "Because that's what their economic analysis tells them is the best price to offer the GOTY edition for."

 

You can want what you want, but that doesn't mean reality is going to give it to you.

[DAOnut]

You conveniently ignore (a) the fact that the base game now retails at substantially less than it did at launch ($25 for the PC version on Amazon) and ( the availability of a $10 Digital Deluxe Upgrade on Origin that makes buying the retail Deluxe Edition essentially spending $25 (it costs $60 on Amazon) for a fancy box and proving the old adage about fools and their money. Taking the current price of the base game and the DD Upgrade into account, the difference between that and the GOTY edition is, again, $25. This is still less than the cost of the DLC for those who pre-ordered or bought the game at launch, but that's what we in the adult world call a "trade-off". Pre-ordering or buying the game at launch gave you the added value of being able to play the game right away instead of having to wait for the price to go down. Intangible as that may be, it can still be expressed in dollar terms, and as a function of supply and demand; demand for games is always highest at launch, which drives up the price. Something similar happens with the DLC; Bioware makes most of its money off of that when the DLC launches, and can afford to offer a discount on any later bundled edition. Bundling all the content in the GOTY edition also offsets the decline in demand for the base game, and gives the people who waited their own version of the trade-off (a lower overall price, if a bundled edition ever happened, at the cost of having to wait to play the game).

 

You did not purchase any moral obligation for special treatment from Bioware or EA when you bought the game at launch. You do not possess any special cachet as a "supporter" for buying the game when you did. Everyone who buys the game, at any time, is a customer, and Bioware does not play favorites. The short answer to your final question is a combination of "Because they can" and "Because that's what their economic analysis tells them is the best price to offer the GOTY edition for."

 

You can want what you want, but that doesn't mean reality is going to give it to you.

 

You conveniently left out the fact that you cannot obtain the GOTY for PC in a physical box.  

I give you credit for your comments matching your name 

I thank you for your support.  If enough of us complain then perhaps we can affect EA policies for the benefit of us all.

[DAOnut]

 

I thank you for your support.  If enough of us complain then perhaps we can affect EA policies for the benefit of us all.

 

I take this back.  I, like a few others, have contacted EA.  The results were as expected, but at least some of us tried to help in lowering prices that the entire community could benefit from.   There are obviously very few supporters of this idea, and I apologize for trying to get cash back in your pockets, and more people interested in the DA series.

[Gold Dragon]

They COULD, however, sell all three DLC in one pack.

[Kitsune]

I wish I could upgrade to GOTY... I bought Deluxe edition and all the DLCs on first day and I dont have only the "Spoils" ones. For buying all the things I wish they'd give me some credit and let me upgrade to GOTY to get those completely useless but pretty things =( (well, only in my dreams, I guess)

[OdanUrr]

I wish I could upgrade to GOTY... I bought Deluxe edition and all the DLCs on first day and I dont have only the "Spoils" ones. For buying all the things I wish they'd give me some credit and let me upgrade to GOTY to get those completely useless but pretty things =( (well, only in my dreams, I guess)

 

Hang on, wouldn't it be cheaper to buy just the Spoils DLC then, if you already have the rest? Even if they eventually release a GOTY upgrade pass, it's bound to be more expensive than the two Spoils packs.