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[Matthew VM]

Does the OP know that the game has been receiving free patches and that the base game is the same in the GOTY edition as the base game he has now? Because it seems like he feels he needs the GOTY edition to be able to play the game and that's... rather odd.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

You've had the game for a year. You knew or should have known that dlc would come out later which you could purchase. With the exception of ME 2 and the Cerebeus Network pass, Bioware has never done a season pass type thing, which is what you are asking for in effect, and even the network pass had only one of the story dlc. The others were weapons etc.

Second, as some else pointed out, a game of the year or some such isn't unexpected, and I'll add it's not as if the goty edition was released a few weeks after initial launch. It's been almost a year so I don't understand your indignation.

Third, Trespasser has been out literally a month tomorrow. Descent will be two months on the eleventh. You really expect EA to undercut themselves? They are in the business of making money. That may seem offensive, but EA employees have to pay bills too. EA also has to make its stockholders happy. Way of the world.

 

It sounds like some people don't want to pay the all of the DLC which I understand since it's roughly about $60 US and that is a quick and rough estimate not an exact figure. 

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[ivrognard]

@Cyberstrike nTo Because some people acquired the Deluxe Edition. And i will point two GOTY's that had a FREE upgrade: Batman: Arkham Asylum and Batman: Arkham City. We do not want a free upgrade, but a reasonably priced upgrade. 

 

@MatthewVM fixing the game is their duty. Those are and were always free. That's one. Are you aware of what the different editions are offering?! We have Standard, Deluxe and GOTY. The Deluxe adds some extra items that are not available in the Standard, while GOTY adds all the released DLC's being priced at the same price that the Standard Edition had at launch and cheaper than the Deluxe Edition at launch. Standard Edition was 60 euro, Deluxe was 80 euro. It feels like a slap given to the early adopters, to the very peeps that pushed the sales towards the release of a GOTY edition. The overall price for DLC is 55 euro. Now a simple math tells me that, along of the shelled 70 euro, i should push another 55 to have a complete game (Trespasser DLC is the REAL ending). At the same time, the late adopters are getting a COMPLETE game, with all the DLC's and they are getting it cheaper.  Does it sound fair to you?! Hence the all "good-will" towards EA. So, yeah forgive us for asking a reasonable priced upgrade, or at least a serious discount on the DLC's.

 

There is nothing odd in what the OP wants. As you probably know, there are side stories in two of the DLC's and the REAL ending is in an another DLC. So, yeah, i can understand why he feels that he needs at least those three DLC's that the late adopters are getting way cheaper (they get the Deluxe Edition which is valued now at 50 euro and DLC in value of 55 euro for 60 euro). Do the math. Content worth 115 euro for 60euro. The very price some paid as early adopters. Which basically makes the DLC either dirt cheap or free for them. So, yeah. Fully understand him.

 

Me?! I will put my money where my mouth is. No more early adoptions for EA. Ever. They can fail as much as they can. They can even go bankrupt, close Bioware (EA did that with pretty much most of the studios they bought and they are still doing it). Will not care anymore.

[Elhanan]

Gotcha covered; have pre-ordered a few times now, and have enjoyed each game. No plans to alter this except for ME:A.

[Freygea]

I hope they offer an upgrade. I too feel a bit cheated .  Would love a season  pass type thing that would include the dlc. I pre-purchased the game for 80 bucks and really do not want to have to put out another 60 - ish bucks for the dlc when others can just buy the game once for 59.99 and get everything.

 

I guess it is a lesson learned and now know to wait until a game puts out a GOTY version before buying.  Shame since I like to support a game pre release since it is a small way to show you are behind the team and rooting for them.

[AlanC9]

I guess it is a lesson learned and now know to wait until a game puts out a GOTY version before buying. Shame since I like to support a game pre release since it is a small way to show you are behind the team and rooting for them.

Yeah, but this is no different from any other game, DLC or no. I picked up Skyrim for $5, for instance.

[Sevens]

You are so very bad with math. (...)

So the pre-order person who helped make the game GOTY will spend $70 + $55 = $125.

The new person (which is great to get more people into DA) will spend $60.  This is today.  So why is EA selling all the DLC to new people for $10, and supporters for $55, today.

 

You're pretty bad with thinking this through. The "pre-order person" (POP) paid for being able to play the game at launch and for about year before the "new person" (NP). That's a material difference you did not account for. If this difference is not worth whatever your calculation comes up with, then don't buy. This is strictly a matter of determining subjective worth. What's it worth to you to have a special edition, what's it worth to you to be able to play the game at launch? (As a side note, your calculation should perhaps reflect that the base game's price has been reduced in the meantime. There have also been temporary PSN offers for the main game and Jaws.) There's no objective injustice in this. Some POPs have simply made a bad decision, based on their subjective preferences. 

 

POP: 125 > get to play game 1 year earlier, including online services (multiplayer; further advantages such as forum use); get special edition A; get special edition B ("GotY"); base game, get DLC and extra content

 

NP: 60 > get special edition B ("GotY"); base game, get DLC and extra content

[Pallando]

You're pretty bad with thinking this through. The "pre-order person" (POP) paid for being able to play the game at launch and for about year before the "new person" (NP). That's a material difference you did not account for. If this difference is not worth whatever your calculation comes up with, then don't buy. This is strictly a matter of determining subjective worth. What's it worth to you to have a special edition, what's it worth to you to be able to play the game at launch? (As a side note, your calculation should perhaps reflect that the base game's price has been reduced in the meantime. There have also been temporary PSN offers for the main game and Jaws.) There's no objective injustice in this. Some POPs have simply made a bad decision, based on their subjective preferences. 

 

POP: 125 > get to play game 1 year earlier, including online services (multiplayer; further advantages such as forum use); get special edition A; get special edition B ("GotY"); base game, get DLC and extra content

 

NP: 60 > get special edition B ("GotY"); base game, get DLC and extra content

 

 

NP: 50 > Gets Deluxe Edition without DLCs. 

 

So extra content is worth 10 nowadays? 

 

The problem with no "upgrade" is that it's a standard marketing thing, forgetting old customers and trying to get new ones, like phone carriers always do. 

 

People who bought it last year enjoyed a (not bug-free) game earlier, true, but they also gave their support to BioWare because they thought they went in the right direction. Without the commercial success, would there be a GOTY edition?

 

Once again, I'm bitter because I don't like paid DLCs (Sebastian Vael/Kasumi Goto, I hate you, sorry...), and I'm still sad that I never could buy the UE of DAO in my country. 

I usually wait before buying a game, but made an exception for DAI to support the devs, hoping we would get an "upgrade" option like EA has for Battlefield, or between "Deluxe" and "base".

[AlanC9]

What's wrong with paid DLCs?

[ivrognard]

Depends. Stuff as items, costumes is usually overpriced. Plus, the newcomers getting those DLC's for a mere 10 euro, while the early adopters are forced to shell another 55 euro. 

 

Me i know what i'm gonna do. Never pre-purchase from EA anything ever again. Will wait a year or two for the definitive version or for a decent price (i also work for a living, so i do not see why i should treat the EA's employees better than i treat myself). In a digital era, when a lot of the middle men are eliminated, the prices should not be overinflated as they are now. But that's a different story. Bioware can close and damn if i will care. This is no longer the Bioware we loved. It's EA's version of Bioware, with very few of the old devs left.

 

There are plenty of good or great RPG's around from indie devs (too many to mention), AAA devs (Bethesda) or AA devs (Larian, Obsidian, inXile, Harebrained), so Bioware can disappear and no one will miss it. The Bioware as it is now, no one would care. Just another studio fragged by EA. 

[Pallando]

What's wrong with paid DLCs?

 

 

It's more often than not too expensive for what it's worth. 

And it also often feels like you don't have the whole game-experience if you didn't buy those DLCs (like with Kasumi Goto or Sebastian Vael).

 

I said I don't like it because until recently, they've been mainly used to sell games with missing parts. Or put restrictions to prevent players to buy from the secondhand market (Stone prisoner). And for 1 good DLC, you have 3 others that are not so good...

[Elhanan]

What's wrong with paid DLCs?

Haven't you heard? We are entitled to free stuff....

[ivrognard]

It's nice to understand whatever you want to understand. We asked for a fair price, not for free. The new adopters are the ones getting the DLC's dirt cheap. 25-30 euro for an upgrade is a fair price from my point of view. 55 euro is out of the question when the people that did not support the game at launch are treated better than the idiots that made the GOTY possible by giving their hard-earned money to EA, before and at launch.

 

As for entitled...I gave enough examples of how other companies are treating the early adopters. Warner Bros offered free upgrades for their GOTY games or a 10 euro upgrade. Larian, inXile and Harebrained offered free upgrades for their complete/enhanced edition. Deep Silver offered a 50% discount for their Metro Redux games. I could go on, but i doubt that you will understand. You are strunged up on the idea that we want free stuff and refuse to understand the simple fact that it's not what we are asking. 

[DAOnut]

ivrognard, there are way too many detractors on here.  What I did was contact EA online support and had them send on a message to sales that I was disappointed in not offering a DLC bundle.  If enough people contact them directly, maybe they will offer something.

[Lyrium Bosoms]

gonna add something from myself to this matter.

 

bought the standard edition some time ago too, hoping that the game would get an upgrade when GOTY ed comes out, just like we got with some other games. so I'd just grab everything else at once later.

now the game (standard) is for 119PLN (~33$) and that's a bit less than when I bought it. but no matter, I knew the price would go down (as it already has at that point). the GOTY edition is for 199PLN (~54$). if I bought all the DLCs (which is what I wanted to do) I'd have to pay 207PLN (~56$), 256PLN (~69$) if I also wanted the deluxe update.

so I have to pay more for DLCS ONLY now, than if I bought GOTY ed which includes also base game? bc I bought the base game alone earlier? uh-huh. it'd be easier for me to just buy the GOTY edition now and have 2 base games, which is crap service tbh.

but since I didn't buy the game via origin but on a different site bc I didn't want to play in my language, I wanted English version and that's a no-go via origin apparently, now I don't know if buying GOTY edition - that obviously includes base game in POLISH - won't mess up my other base game that's in English only. but even if that wasn't an issue, having to buy it again just so I don't feel that ripped off is bullshit.

I'm not mad that new people get things cheaper, if I waited even longer I'd get the base game even cheaper than I did too. nor do I want things for free bc "oh, I am so great, I bought the game early so I demand something for it!" what the problem is that new people are getting EVERYTHING for less than I'd have to pay for ADDITIONAL CONTENT ONLY.

this is literally punishing people for buying things earlier. and guess what? if enough people didn't buy it early this game wouldn't even get a GOTY edition.

[GithCheater]

ivrognard, there are way too many detractors on here.  What I did was contact EA online support and had them send on a message to sales that I was disappointed in not offering a DLC bundle.  If enough people contact them directly, maybe they will offer something.

I would prefer a discount on each of the  DLC, as I already bought some of the DLC.

 

How did you contact EA online support? Are you sure your message was forwarded to Sales?  Did you get a confirmation reply from Sales?

 

I will contact EA online support to request a modest DLC discount, but I wonder if contacting a random online support person will be effective.

[Pallando]

Haven't you heard? We are entitled to free stuff....

 

It was a broad statement. I said I didn't like it. Not that I think I should get the content for free. 

You could also understand my statement as preferring nothing over paid DLCs. 

 

 

I just thought that in the past, there has been tons of overpriced crap add-ons and exclusive/premium parts of games sold as DLCs where as they contributed to the global experience. It's not against the content, but I feel like this system attracted poor ideas to milk games...

[ivrognard]

You could check the latest stupid ideas in the Square enix pre-orders:

 

Hitman goes episodic, Deux Ex 4 had tiered pre-ordered (the scheme was very bad and deeply rooted in the milking the game way of thinking), Tomb Raider offers 300 Exploration cards that will add various stuff and of course you will have to pay for them (freemium mobile stuff, EA not exactly a stranger of the scheme, if you check their recent mobile games)

So, yeah. Not a fan of how things are now in the regard of game releases.

[AlanC9]

It's more often than not too expensive for what it's worth. 
And it also often feels like you don't have the whole game-experience if you didn't buy those DLCs (like with Kasumi Goto or Sebastian Vael).
 
I said I don't like it because until recently, they've been mainly used to sell games with missing parts. Or put restrictions to prevent players to buy from the secondhand market (Stone prisoner). And for 1 good DLC, you have 3 others that are not so good...

Feel free not to buy them. I never bought any companion DLC, and the games are just fine without them. Though I've been considering buying Kasumi if only to make the SM harder (since she brings your HTL score down).

[AlanC9]

bought the standard edition some time ago too, hoping that the game would get an upgrade when GOTY ed comes out, just like we got with some other games. so I'd just grab everything else at once later.

You were taking a chance with that plan, you know. Bio hadn't done anything like a GOTY since the DA:O UE, and there was no upgrade path for that either. It's actually a bit surprising that they did the DAI GOTY.

[Elhanan]

It was a broad statement. I said I didn't like it. Not that I think I should get the content for free. 
You could also understand my statement as preferring nothing over paid DLCs. 
 
 
I just thought that in the past, there has been tons of overpriced crap add-ons and exclusive/premium parts of games sold as DLCs where as they contributed to the global experience. It's not against the content, but I feel like this system attracted poor ideas to milk games...

I apologize if you thought that was directed at yourself or the OP. Simply my reaction to many such complaints; either pay it or not is my solution.

[GithCheater]

I apologize if you thought that was directed at yourself or the OP. Simply my reaction to many such complaints; either pay it or not is my solution.

 

Granting an 80% DLC discount on old DLC to a new customer while offering zero discount to an existing customer is an acceptable business practice?

 

I do not want free stuff, but a slightly discounted price for existing customers on old DLC would eliminate the bad taste of price gouging.

 

I bought the Trespasser DLC from Amazon rather than Origin (for the same $15 price) rather than allow EA/Bioware to have all of the bloated profit.

[AlanC9]

Granting an 80% DLC discount on old DLC to a new customer while offering zero discount to an existing customer is an acceptable business practice?

Why not? I got a 91% discount on Skyrim because I didn't buy it for a couple of years.

[Elhanan]

Granting an 80% DLC discount on old DLC to a new customer while offering zero discount to an existing customer is an acceptable business practice?
 
I do not want free stuff, but a slightly discounted price for existing customers on old DLC would eliminate the bad taste of price gouging.
 
I bought the Trespasser DLC from Amazon rather than Origin (for the same $15 price) rather than allow EA/Bioware to have all of the bloated profit.

And while I also believe the prices are steep, these investments into my entertainment have paid ample rewards. If one does not like it, don't pay it; it is that simple.

[reymonkey]

Personally I find it a bit disappointing that there's no bundled discount on DLC for previous owners. Right now their price difference of $20 between the regular title and the GOTY edition seems like a fair price point to upgrade to GOTY for early adopters.