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[jedidotflow]

It's funny how Jesus pre-empted these business practices and spoke about how they're not unfair: https://en.wikipedia...in_the_Vineyard

[jedidotflow]

I hope DAI GOTY brings in an influx of cool, interesting people to the forums, and pushes away the entitled, whining drecks that have become far too common.

[GithCheater]

And while I also believe the prices are steep, these investments into my entertainment have paid ample rewards. If one does not like it, don't pay it; it is that simple.

You probably bought the DLC  and played (and enjoyed) the DLC before the GotY edition was even announced.  

 

You seem to be complaining about existing DAI customers that had not yet bought all the DLC, and begruding their negative opinions about the "steep" DLC price.

 

I hate to disappoint you, but this is a message board, and people (even non-Christian infidels), are allowed to have negative opinions  despite  the possibility of offending ardent early adopting DAI supporters. 

[Elhanan]

You probably bought the DLC  and played (and enjoyed) the DLC before the GotY edition was even announced.  
 
You seem to be complaining about existing DAI customers that had not yet bought all the DLC, and begruding their negative opinions about the "steep" DLC price.
 
I hate to disappoint you, but this is a message board, and people (even non-Christian infidels), are allowed to have negative opinions  despite  the possibility of offending ardent early adopting DAI supporters.

Assume what you will, but I do not begrudge anyone wanting to get the GOTY ed; tis a good deal. It is the equivalent of getting the base game at launch price, and all the DLC for free.

For those that already have the game and DLC, get what is remaining from the set, or skip it. This is Player's choice.

As for infidelities, will leave that is another's wheelhouse, as well as the entitled complaints. While not all criticism is such, it is extant, and appears to be rather sad.

[GithCheater]

As for infidelities, will leave that is another's wheelhouse, as well as the entitled complaints. While not all criticism is such, it is extant, and appears to be rather sad.

Yes, it is sad that ones who dare to disagree about current DLC pricing are derided as "entitled" and "wanting free stuff" by ardent early-adopting DAI customers.

[Elhanan]

Yes, it is sad that sad that ones who disagree about current DLC pricing are derided as "entitled" and "wanting free stuff" by ardent early-adopting DAI customers.

Not all that offer criticism are entitled; many offer constructive complaints. However, entitled folks wanting more free stuff, those that complain about free content, those that make assumptions about others, bigots that prejudge others based on some criteria such as religion, etc.; these folks may need more help than EA support can offer....

[AlanC9]

You seem to be complaining about existing DAI customers that had not yet bought all the DLC, and begruding their negative opinions about the "steep" DLC price.

Not "yet" bought? You figure there were people who were going to buy JoH at list in a week or so but just hadn't gotten around to it?

[reymonkey]

There's a difference between saying what you'd like to get out of a transaction and saying that you're entitled to it. Smart companies listen to this stuff and use it to maintain good will amongst their consumers/fans. That good will keeps people pre-ordering games.

 

There's a certain amount of trust in the process and publishers sometimes harm that trust. Shipping rushed, buggy, or incomplete games aren't necessarily deal-breakers, but I think offering an upgrade path to GOTY at a discounted price is a good will gesture that reinforces the value of early adopting.

[Pallando]

Fact is that today, people can buy:

• DAI GOTY with all DLCs and the premium content for 60€
• DAI Deluxe for 50€
• DAI for 40€
• All the DLCs for 55€

From this, we can say that either the DLCs are worth 10€, or that those who buy the GOTY edition get the Deluxe game for 5€. 

 

Either way, there's some serious price variation for one of these items when you buy the GOTY (90% discount on either the game or the DLCs). 

Also, buying the GOTY means buying the game again, so you then own 2 licences. Given how Origin works now, you can't gift something you own twice...

 

That's where the problem lies. There's no middle ground. 

[Lyrium Bosoms]

Fact is that today, people can buy:

• DAI GOTY with all DLCs and the premium content for 60€
• DAI Deluxe for 50€
• DAI for 40€
• All the DLCs for 55€

 

where are you from if I may ask? bc on my origin the prices are "reversed", GOTY costs LESS than just DLCs (even without adding deluxe upgrade). and that is the reason I'm pissed about not having an upgrade. I don't really care that new people can buy stuff for less, that's always the case, the longer you wait the less expensive things get. but the fact the whole thing is cheaper than just the DLCs is ridiculous.

[Pallando]

where are you from if I may ask? bc on my origin the prices are "reversed", GOTY costs LESS than just DLCs (even without adding deluxe upgrade). and that is the reason I'm pissed about not having an upgrade. I don't really care that new people can buy stuff for less, that's always the case, the longer you wait the less expensive things get. but the fact the whole thing is cheaper than just the DLCs is ridiculous.

 

I'm from France. (Hence why I was never able to buy the Ultimate Edition of DAO...)

 

Spoils of Qunari/Avvar are 4.99€ each. 

Each of the 3 DLCs is 14.99€. 

Total is 54.95€.

 

GOTY is 59.99. Still, 5€ of difference isn't much. Especially if you add the Deluxe upgrade for those who only have the base game.

If you bought it last year and would like to try the whole experience, as it is proposed now to new players, you have to pay around 60€ more. 

 

So that would mean that the game has lost all its value in 1 year and only the DLCs are worth any money now, which doesn't explain why the base game is still 40€...

[AlanC9]

Fact is that today, people can buy:

• DAI GOTY with all DLCs and the premium content for 60€
• DAI Deluxe for 50€
• DAI for 40€
• All the DLCs for 55€

From this, we can say that either the DLCs are worth 10€, or that those who buy the GOTY edition get the Deluxe game for 5€.

Of course, any or all of those will go on sale at various times. Though that won't change the ratio unkess one goes on sale while the others don't.

[AlanC9]

where are you from if I may ask? bc on my origin the prices are "reversed", GOTY costs LESS than just DLCs (even without adding deluxe upgrade). and that is the reason I'm pissed about not having an upgrade. I don't really care that new people can buy stuff for less, that's always the case, the longer you wait the less expensive things get. but the fact the whole thing is cheaper than just the DLCs is ridiculous.

But that means that the GOTY is a DLC bundle sale for you.

[Realmzmaster]

Wait let me get this straight. Gamers who bought the base game when it first came out and decided not to buy any of the dlc when it was first released are upset because new players or (those who waited) can get everything in the GOTY version for initial price of the almost year old base game. Those gamers are upset because Bioware/EA does not have an upgrade path for them to GOTY version.

 

If that is the case I want a free copy of Dragon Age IV when it hits the shelves. I supported  Bioware throughout the entire year by pre-ordering and buying the Deluxe base game and bought the dlcs upon release.

 

How is the proposed upgrade to GOTY fair to someone like me who supported Bioware through the year. Those gamers who choose not to buy the dlcs at release made a choice. Those gamers have the option of waiting for the dlc to go on sale. or have the option of buying the GOTY version. I look at it as buying the dlc for $55 and getting a second copy of the base game for $5.

[Pallando]

Wait let me get this straight. Gamers who bought the base game when it first came out and decided not to buy any of the dlc when it was first released are upset because new players or (those who waited) can get everything in the GOTY version for initial price of the almost year old base game. Those gamers are upset because Bioware/EA does not have an upgrade path for them to GOTY version.

 

If that is the case I want a free copy of Dragon Age IV when it hits the shelves. I supported  Bioware throughout the entire year by pre-ordering and buying the Deluxe base game and bought the dlcs upon release.

 

How is the proposed upgrade to GOTY fair to someone like me who supported Bioware through the year. Those gamers who choose not to buy the dlcs at release made a choice. Those gamers have the option of waiting for the dlc to go on sale. or have the option of buying the GOTY version. I look at it as buying the dlc for $55 and getting a second copy of the base game for $5.

 

Except you're not getting a second copy of the base game with Origin...

[Thandal N'Lyman]

I gladly paid full price for my pre-ordered, Deluxe Edition, copy of DAI.  And I've acquired all the DLC as soon as it was released.

I made that decision knowing full well that if I waited the price(s) would come down.  If I waited a year, they'd come down a lot!

 

I didn't want to wait, I wanted to play!  And play I did.  Lots!  Currently over 1400 hours logged on DAI alone, (and it's not the only game I've played over the past year.)  But that was my individual decision. 

 

I have some sympathy for the PS3/XB360 players who don't have the opportunity to get the last couple of DLC.  I have none for people who complain that they deserve a special price because others can now get the game+DLC cheaper than they did.

[Realmzmaster]

Except you're not getting a second copy of the base game with Origin...

 

Which is why I like buying physical copies.

[GithCheater]

 

I have some sympathy for the PS3/XB360 players who don't have the opportunity to get the last couple of DLC.  I have none for people who complain that they deserve a special price because others can now get the game+DLC cheaper than they did.

... But the complaint is not that others can get the game cheaper.  

 

The complaint is that the price of the base game has decreased by at least 1/3, but the individual DLC have prices have dropped zero (nada), and will likely remain at list price for years to come.

 

EA/Bioware have so little appreciation for existing customers that bought DAI a month ago (or longer), that they cannot even bother to offer a token 10% discount on individual DLCs.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

EA have never discounted individual DLC on their download service. And they don't even allow distribution of DLC through other channels at all. (They stopped distributing via Steam more than two years ago for exactly that reason.)

If you want a "deal" on DLC, wait for the bundle/GOTY/Utimate Edition.

[Elhanan]

... But the complaint is not that others can get the game cheaper.  
 
The complaint is that the price of the base game has decreased by at least 1/3, but the individual DLC have prices have dropped zero (nada), and will likely remain at list price for years to come.
 
EA/Bioware have so little appreciation for existing customers that bought DAI a month ago (or longer), that they cannot even bother to offer a token 10% discount on individual DLCs.

Sales have already occurred for JoH (eg; 1/3 off), and could re-appear again. Guess some missed this customer appreciation event from EA....

[Zatche]

Actually, Jaws of Hakkon was on sale by around 30% a few months ago.

[GithCheater]

I bought all DLC for DAO, DAA and DA2 shortly after they were released and do not regret doing so.  However I never got around to playing DAI DLC as they are high level campaigns.

 

I bought Jaws in March anticipating that I would play it after I completed my 1st complete playthrough supporting the mages, but I decided to do 2nd complete playthrough supporting the templars instead.  Therefore I never got around to buying the remaining DLC.  

 

I am not asking to receive a "special" retroactive rebate for Jaws.  I am only asking for a permanent "token" 10% discount on "old" DLC's.  I fail to see how requesting a 10% discount on individual DLC is unreasonable.

 

Can someone please explain to me how this meager $5 request makes me an "entitled whiner who wants free stuff"?

[Zatche]

I am only asking for a "token" 10% discount on individual DLC's.  I fail to see how requesting a 10% discount on individual DLC is unreasonable.

 

Can someone please explain to me how this meager $5 request makes me an "entitled whiner who wants free stuff"?

 

 

I don't think that anyone's arguing that a Discount or an upgrade would be a bad thing. Go ahead and request it. At the very least, a discount on the individual DLCs will pop up eventually.

 

For the most part, we're arguing against the idea that the current prices are somehow unethical or unfair. Against the idea that old players deserve a discount on principal because non-early adopters have the GOTY option.

 

As it stands, if you want Descent and Trespasser enough to pay $15 for them, you can buy them. If not, you can wait for a similar sale that Jaws of Hakkon previously got.

 

So that would mean that the game has lost all its value in 1 year and only the DLCs are worth any money now, which doesn't explain why the base game is still 40€...

 

It doesn't mean that at all. Price doesn't inherently equal value. It simply means you can get a better overall value per price ratio when you buy a bundle.

[AlanC9]

Except you're not getting a second copy of the base game with Origin...

True, but... so what?

[AlanC9]

Which is why I like buying physical copies.

Can a physical copy of DAI be transferred?