And here's a different article about the alleged rant but done in a professional fashion and without the childish title; http://www.eurogamer...story-structure
And here's a different article about the alleged rant but done in a professional fashion and without the childish title; http://www.eurogamer...story-structure
Note: If the link in question appears broken then the article linked by Majestic Jazz contains a link to the article which is the "great offense" line.
Doesn't matter who reported the story. The message by the Bioware writer remains the same. Instead of addressing the situation from a professional standpoint, he took the low ground and acted childish. Anyone who knows anything about marketing knows that you do not do that. He could have defended Bioware in a more professional manner.
Again, Bioware 2015 is not the same Bioware 2001 or even 2003 for that matter....
You do know that GOG doesn't develop any games itself, right? They are owned by CDPR, but they are NOT a studio.
Acted childish? Did we read the same quotes?Doesn't matter who reported the story. The message by the Bioware writer remains the same. Instead of addressing the situation from a professional standpoint, he took the low ground and acted childish. Anyone who knows anything about marketing knows that you do not do that. He could have defended Bioware in a more professional manner.
Again, Bioware 2015 is not the same Bioware 2001 or even 2003 for that matter....
Furthermore, it goes beyond just Mass Effect 3. Remember ME: Deception? Remember all the lore inconsistencies associated with that novel? Remember how Bioware said that this would be fixed but never was? Again, another example of poor Bioware PR. It was this negative momentum that carried over to Mass Effect 3.
The original retail physical version of Inquisition came on four disks with the product code. I assume that the GOTY retail physical version has the same four disks for the base game and product code and there are redeem codes for the dlc so the dlc can be downloaded. That way Bioware/EA does not have to increase the disk count in the GOTY to account for the dlc.
That would be great, but so far there are no indications that there will be a physical disk version of the GOTY edition.
Acted childish? Did we read the same quotes?
And yeah, Bio circa 2003 wouldn't have engaged in that conversation. Looks to me like they've gone back to that mode. Um.... yay?
No, they have not gone back into that mode. Bioware circa 2003 had forums that was flooded with input and feedback from the developers lead by Chris Priestly who was a QA guy on KOTOR and later the Community Manager. I remember creating a thread about ME1 back in 2006 and having Casey Hudson make replies to many of the replies in that thread. Of course even then the community was a bit toxic but Bioware still handled it. Now, they just evade and hope that their momentum of a previous time of great PR will be enough but eventually that train will run it's course.
1. Doesn't matter who reported the story.
2. The message by the Bioware writer remains the same.
3. Instead of addressing the situation from a professional standpoint, he took the low ground and acted childish. Anyone who knows anything about marketing knows that you do not do that. He could have defended Bioware in a more professional manner.
1) Does it not? I'd argue it does; some people often time dismiss articles and their content based upon the sites that wrote it especially if they have previous negative experiences with a different article regardless of whether or not it was even the same writer.
2) Does it? The writer of the you cited seems to display an opinion that is not held separate from the article's writing thereby making it more of an opinion piece as oppose to an information piece where the reader may form their own opinion based on the information that is presented as neutrally as possible.
Note how the article you cited refers to Patrick Weekes' post as a rant and specifically choose to use a word such as complains rather than the more neutral word says. Doing it the way your cited article's writer does arguably adds a tone to the quote in the article whereas the article linked within the article tries not.
The former can make the reader judge by the tone of the article, the latter can make the reader judge by content of the article.
3) Do I think Patrick Weekes could have worded his attempt at a rebuttal better and a tad more polite especially the opening? Yes but I do not think he acted childish.
I also think that linking articles that presents information with a tone for readers to adopt is dispreferable to linking articles without a tone to allow readers to form their own opinion based on the content and not the tone of the article.
2.b ) An example and question; would you rather people inform themselves of a company, say, CD Projekt by an opinionated article that invokes a quote or describes content from a game in a negative light to make CD Projekt seem a certain way, say, as people portraying women as sexual objects who have no characterization beyond that in relation to the male protagonist or would you rather people inform themselves of CD Projekt by reading the quote and studying the content for themselves?
Consider how often a quote is misused or taken out of context whether it be from Bioware or CD Projekt.
As a note: I'll look this post over at some point.
OK, you win. Bio circa 2003 would have engaged in that argument. And addressed it the same way -- we do this because it works. I suppose Gaider would have said much the same thing, except he would have actually been rude.No, they have not gone back into that mode. Bioware circa 2003 had forums that was flooded with input and feedback from the developers lead by Chris Priestly who was a QA guy on KOTOR and later the Community Manager. I remember creating a thread about ME1 back in 2006 and having Casey Hudson make replies to many of the replies in that thread. Of course even then the community was a bit toxic but Bioware still handled it. Now, they just evade and hope that their momentum of a previous time of great PR will be enough but eventually that train will run it's course.
Huh? Why is it supposed to?
Not by EA/Bioware's "monopolistic" rules.
Unfortunately Green Man Gaming has not leveled the playing field for DAI like it did for Witcher 3.
Existing DAI customers who bought zero DLC save money by purchasing GotY.
New customers who did not buy DAI save money by purchasing GotY.
Existing DAI customers who bought some DLC (but not all) LOSE money by purchasing GotY.
Not by EA/Bioware's "monopolistic" rules.
Unfortunately Green Man Gaming has not leveled the playing field for DAI like it did for Witcher 3.
Existing DAI customers who bought zero DLC save money by purchasing GotY.
New customers who did not buy DAI save money by purchasing GotY.
Existing DAI customers who bought some DLC (but not all) LOSE money by purchasing GotY.
Also, extant DAI customers that already have the game and partial DLC can purchase remaining DLC, wait for a sale, or skip it as they have done until now.
... Or hope Green Man Gaming levels the playing field by legally "hacking" EA's pricing that favors customers who purchased zero DLC over existing DLC customers...
I haven't been following that too closely. Did they figure out where GMG got those keys from?
As far as I know ... No ... So apparently CD Projekt has not been able to retaliate against the "offending" retailers.
Correct me if I am wrong. Some consumers chose not to buy all of the dlc. Some consumers chose not to buy the game nor any dlc. Some consumers chose to buy all the dlc. Everyone made a choice. For what ever reason the ones who did not buy all the dlc want Bioware/EA to issue an upgrade path for them to get the dlc that they chose to forego when it was first released.
The person who chose to only buy certain dlc weighed the opportunity cost. They chose to use the money from not buying all the dlc on a different alternative. So that person decided that some of the dlc was not worth the price or did not care for the content at the time it was released.
The person who did not buy the game nor any dlc weighed the opportunity cost used the money during the year for other alternatives.
So almost a year later Bioware/EA decides to release a GOTY edition to attract newcomers or purchasers of other DA games (those who decided to wait) or other Bioware games. So the people who bought some but not all of the dlc see the newcomers or waiters getting a good deal and they want in on the action.
Well what about the consumer who bought all the dlc during the year and supported the company where is our reward? Where is our upgrade? Are people saying since we got to play the dlc during the year that is our reward? When those who bought the base game at the start (and chose not to all the dlc) had the same opportunity.
Correct me if I am wrong. Some consumers chose not to buy all of the dlc. Some consumers chose not to buy the game nor any dlc. Some consumers chose to buy all the dlc. Everyone made a choice. For what ever reason the ones who did not buy all the dlc want Bioware/EA to issue an upgrade path for them to get the dlc that they chose to forego when it was first released.
The person who chose to only buy certain dlc weighed the opportunity cost. They chose to use the money from not buying all the dlc on a different alternative. So that person decided that some of the dlc was not worth the price or did not care for the content at the time it was released.
The person who did not buy the game nor any dlc weighed the opportunity cost used the money during the year for other alternatives.
So almost a year later Bioware/EA decides to release a GOTY edition to attract newcomers or purchasers of other DA games (those who decided to wait) or other Bioware games. So the people who bought some but not all of the dlc see the newcomers or waiters getting a good deal and they want in on the action.
Well what about the consumer who bought all the dlc during the year and supported the company where is our reward? Where is our upgrade? Are people saying since we got to play the dlc during the year that is our reward? When those who bought the base game at the start (and chose not to all the dlc) had the same opportunity.
The idea is that it feels artificial to drop DLC prices for only a portion of players. Those who felt that the DLCs were too expensive for them waited for the price to drop.
Now, the price drops for those who never bought the game (nor any subsequent DLC), but remains the same for everyone else.
Of course, people can wait again for the price to drop, but that means that when it comes to DLCs, they have to wait longer than new players for the price to drop.
The idea is that it feels artificial to drop DLC prices for only a portion of players. Those who felt that the DLCs were too expensive for them waited for the price to drop.
Now, the price drops for those who never bought the game (nor any subsequent DLC), but remains the same for everyone else.
Of course, people can wait again for the price to drop, but that means that when it comes to DLCs, they have to wait longer than new players for the price to drop.
And ?
The whole having to wait longer meme is inaccurate; sales have already begun.
5€ off of 55€ of DLCs can hardly be called a price drop.
5€ off of 55€ of DLCs can hardly be called a price drop.
From $15 to $10 is a tad more accurate.
For every company, $1 equals 1€.
Also, you're just talking about JoH, but the GOTY includes every DLC, so the point still stands.
There are people who bought the game and are waiting for the DLCs price to drop, and there are new customers who waited 1 year to get a significant price drop on both the game and the DLCs. The price of the game has dropped, it's normal.
However, those who only bought the game have to wait for the next sale to, maybe, get a similar bargain, and it's not a given.
Edit: I'm pretty sure that during the next sale the GOTY will cost less than the missing DLCs. Which means that people will have to buy a second non-transferable game to get what they're missing.
For every company, $1 equals 1€.
Also, you're just talking about JoH, but the GOTY includes every DLC, so the point still stands.
There are people who bought the game and are waiting for the DLCs price to drop, and there are new customers who waited 1 year to get a significant price drop on both the game and the DLCs. The price of the game has dropped, it's normal.
However, those who only bought the game have to wait for the next sale to, maybe, get a similar bargain, and it's not a given.
Edit: I'm pretty sure that during the next sale the GOTY will cost less than the missing DLCs. Which means that people will have to buy a second non-transferable game to get what they're missing.
Nobody has to purchase anything. One chooses to purchase, wait, or pass as they wish.
What part of my post are you referring to?
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