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[London]

Edit - double posted for some reason.

[London]

Something's changed for new buyers. But they're not us. Hey, I'm just talking about the reality of the situation, not feelings.Did you get your feelings hurt by the DA:O UE too?

And I'm saying somethings changed for people with only the base game. They get to watch others now get a well-priced package while they are slapped in the face and asked to pay $55 for less. I didn't care that I didn't want to buy Descent and Jaws and Item Packs due to their lackluster reviews for the price offered. But seeing how they can be bought for less, just not by me, is a game changer and changes how I view BioWare.

My feelings are not hurt - don't belittle me and try to paint me as a child. I'm just more of a discerning consumer with my time and money. I wouldn't ever buy any similarly priced product when I am getting so much less for almost the same amount of money as others.

[The Night Haunter]

Blah, Blah, Blah... We want free DLC.... Blah, Blah....

 

Blah, Blah, Blah... Mean Stuff, calling people Entitled, Blah, Blah...

 

Will both sides just give it a rest, neither side is ever going to convince the other of anything, EA certainly isn't reading this forum, I doubt they even care. All you guys are doing is arguing in circles. Both sides have a point, neither side is right as this is entirely opinion based.

 

If you all stop talking about it for a few hours you'll start to feel better. And if you really believe it is a poor marketing choice then send an email to EA (they have a link on their main page for emails) and complain. Talking about it here in the forums really does accomplish nothing. Bioware has literally 0 say on distribution decisions. That is all 100% in the publisher's domain. Tell EA that about your feelings (and a hint: don't over exaggerate, that will only make them ignore you), and hope for the best.

 

Until then lets all be friends who like DA.

[Lord Raijin]

Oh look more entitled whining. If you have a problem with then stop by games at launch.

 

I don't think were being an entitlement whiner. We just don't like being ripped off. If you're going to be giving a nice discount for the new players at least give us players who preordered the game the opportunity to upgrade our current edition to the GOTY. Is that much to ask?

[Elhanan]

I don't think were being an entitlement whiner. We just don't like being ripped off. If you're going to be giving a nice discount for the new players at least give us players who preordered the game the opportunity to upgrade our current edition to the GOTY. Is that much to ask?

Not hearing inquiries; hearing demands and ultimatums. And if one does not care for the price, do not pay it.

[Ariella]

Not hearing inquiries; hearing demands and ultimatums. And if one does not care for the price, do not pay it.

Exactly. People seem to forget capitalism is unfair. There are always people who are going to get a better bargain than others. And finding bargains is the responsibility of the buyer, not the seller.

EA doesn't owe us anything but the product we purchased. They are a for profit company that's biggest responsibility is to the shareholders.

Book I want comes out, but hardcover is too expensive? I get the paperback. I want to see a movie, but I don't want to pay full price, I wait for the cheap shows. Some people can't seem to understand this is how the world works.

[London]

*disgusted noise*

[Pallando]

Ok. No one asked for free DLC. It's about value.

 

Let's say one day you go to Disneyland or some amusement park. You get there early to enjoy it as soon as possible in the day.

You pay your ticket and get in.

 

Inside, you see they sell ice cream and soda, but the prices are too high for the hunger/thirst you're feeling. Like a significant percentage (half) of the price of the ticket to get in. You'll check later if the price has dropped.

 

This is a good day, many people came to the park and a few hours later, the direction decided to revise the prices.

New visitors can pay a little bit less to get in (time has passed) or they can pay what you paid, but they also get tickets for a cup of ice cream and a drink.

However, the price inside the park remains high. 

 

Now, all the people you see coming eat ice cream and drink soda. The value of these goods got lower. But the price inside the park doesn't reflect that.

This is the feeling some of us are getting. Discrepancy between value of a good and its price.

 

Of course, this analogy is imperfect, and people can argue on the price of the original ticket, the price of the goods inside and the time you've already spent inside the park...

 

 

Blah, Blah, Blah... We want free DLC.... Blah, Blah....

 

Blah, Blah, Blah... Mean Stuff, calling people Entitled, Blah, Blah...

 

Will both sides just give it a rest, neither side is ever going to convince the other of anything, EA certainly isn't reading this forum, I doubt they even care. All you guys are doing is arguing in circles. Both sides have a point, neither side is right as this is entirely opinion based.

 

If you all stop talking about it for a few hours you'll start to feel better. And if you really believe it is a poor marketing choice then send an email to EA (they have a link on their main page for emails) and complain. Talking about it here in the forums really does accomplish nothing. Bioware has literally 0 say on distribution decisions. That is all 100% in the publisher's domain. Tell EA that about your feelings (and a hint: don't over exaggerate, that will only make them ignore you), and hope for the best.

 

Until then lets all be friends who like DA.

 

Arguing can be a bit addictive though... :-/

[Realmzmaster]

How are those that pre-ordered the game ripped off? You (the consumer) made the choice to pre-order. You  got to play the base game for the year. You chose not to buy the dlc or buy only certain dlc.

 

Almost a year later the producer of the product decides to produce a new edition of the game which includes all the dlc which is aimed at those who are new purchasers or those whose choice was to forego buying the product and related dlc during the year it was available hoping that a GOTY would be produced.

The GOTY edition is only available because of the sales of the base game and the sales of the dlc, because DA2 had no GOTY edition.

 

So those people who bought only the base game contributed to those sales, but those who bought the base game and all the dlc contributed even more to the sales success of the game.

 

Maybe you are right everyone should wait for the GOTY edition of the game and get the best deal. But wait that would mean that the base game would not sell well and there would be no GOTY edition to worry about.

 

Everyone now thinks that since the new purchasers are getting a deal with the GOTY edition. In your case if you bought the game at first release that maybe, but in the eyes of the new purchasers they are paying $60. So for them the product is only worth $60.00. It is not a deal to them.

 

The waiters took a chance on a GOTY edition which was not guaranteed. Their patience was rewarded, but they had to forego enjoying the game for that year. That was their opportunity cost.

 

Everyone made a choice. Those who chose not to purchase dlc or only purchase certain dlc made a choice. Now because you perceive that someone else is getting a better deal you are upset with the choice you made. The same choice was available to you and you decided not to take it. You could have waited and taken a chance.

 

If you want to ask for an upgrade that is fine, but I am not convinced by the arguments why you should get one.

[Pallando]

 

 

If you want to ask for an upgrade that is fine, but I am not convinced by the arguments why you should get one.

 

People are asking for the price of DLCs to reflect their current value now that the GOTY is out. 

[OdanUrr]

People are asking for the price of DLCs to reflect their current value now that the GOTY is out. 

 

And what is their current value? The base game costs $40 and all additional content costs $65. The GOTY, however, costs $60. $65 is 62% of $105 so if we were to apply that percentage to the GOTY, then all additional content would cost $37. Let's round that number to $40. Would you pay $40 for this upgrade pass?

[London]

Personally no, but I already bought the initial special edition and Tresspasser. If I hadn't, yes. It's not so disgustingly egregious as $65.

[Pallando]

And what is their current value? The base game costs $40 and all additional content costs $65. The GOTY, however, costs $60. $65 is 62% of $105 so if we were to apply that percentage to the GOTY, then all additional content would cost $37. Let's round that number to $40. Would you pay $40 for this upgrade pass?

I would not include the deluxe content since there's already an upgrade for that. But with your logic that would lead us to DLCs representing 52% of the goty, around 30€ (which makes it 40 with the deluxe upgrade for those who want it).
I would pay that, yes.

[OdanUrr]

I would not include the deluxe content since there's already an upgrade for that. But with your logic that would lead us to DLCs representing 52% of the goty, around 30€ (which makes it 40 with the deluxe upgrade for those who want it).
I would pay that, yes.

 

Well, there's also an "upgrade" for each individual piece of DLC.

[Pallando]

There's also a discrepancy in price.   
Whereas between your proposition and mine we fall back on a 10€ difference for the deluxe content.

[OdanUrr]

There's also a discrepancy in price. :roll:
Whereas between your proposition and mine we fall back on a 10€ difference for the deluxe content.

 

True, but you're picking and choosing which content of the GOTY you'd include in the upgrade pass. I'm including all of the content for those who purchased the base game. In any case, it's quite possible EA might release such a pass further down the line.

[Cheviot]

I like free stuff too, OP.

[Pallando]

I'm just including DLC, which means content that was not available on release and for which there is currently no upgrade.
Plus it matches your own computations because dlc bundle would be 30, dlc bundle + deluxe content would be 40.
What would be the matter with that?

[OdanUrr]

I'm just including DLC, which means content that was not available on release and for which there is currently no upgrade.
Plus it matches your own computations because dlc bundle would be 30, dlc bundle + deluxe content would be 40.
What would be the matter with that?

 

Beyond the picking and choosing, nothing much really, the numbers are sound. It's up to EA.

[Zatche]

And I'm saying somethings changed for people with only the base game. They get to watch others now get a well-priced package while they are slapped in the face and asked to pay $55 for less.

Honestly, I don't see this as a problem that needs to be solved.

[London]

Good for you.

[GithCheater]

And what is their current value? The base game costs $40 and all additional content costs $65. The GOTY, however, costs $60. $65 is 62% of $105 so if we were to apply that percentage to the GOTY, then all additional content would cost $37. Let's round that number to $40. Would you pay $40 for this upgrade pass?

 

Given that one can purchase the standard xbone version used for $16 on Amazon, the proposed $40 upgrade price is too low, and would be $4 cheaper than the GotY edition.  In my opinion, the GotY edition should be priced at least $5 cheaper than the cost of the upgrade plus the used game.  Thus I believe the cost of the upgrade should be at least $50 (a $15 savings off the $65 list price of the Deluxe &  DLCs).

 

That being said, my objection is that EA/Bioware have offered absolutely no discount off DLC, while the price of a new standard game has dropped 50% (from $60 new at release to $30 new currently on Amazon).

 

I am amazed that any suggestion of any DLC discount is overwhelmingly greeted with blatant "entitled", "whiner" and "crybaby" comments.

[Pallando]

Given that one can purchase the standard xbone version used for $16 on Amazon, the proposed $40 upgrade price is too low, and would be $4 cheaper than the GotY edition. In my opinion, the GotY edition should be priced at least $5 cheaper than the cost of the upgrade plus the used game. Thus I believe the cost of the upgrade should be at least $50 (a $15 savings off the $65 list price of the Deluxe & DLCs).

What?
You don't set prices depending on the price of used games, which publishers try to kill anyway. There's no second-hand market on PC for example. Also, when you buy a used game, you expect it to be cheaper than a new one, because it's more risky to do so.

[AlanC9]

And I'm saying somethings changed for people with only the base game. They get to watch others now get a well-priced package while they are slapped in the face and asked to pay $55 for less. I didn't care that I didn't want to buy Descent and Jaws and Item Packs due to their lackluster reviews for the price offered. But seeing how they can be bought for less, just not by me, is a game changer and changes how I view BioWare.
My feelings are not hurt - don't belittle me and try to paint me as a child. I'm just more of a discerning consumer with my time and money. I wouldn't ever buy any similarly priced product when I am getting so much less for almost the same amount of money as others.

You just said you were "slapped in the face." That's not supposed to convey hurt feelings? What were you going for there?

And, again, you weren't going to buy the DLCs at list anyway, or you would have done so already. So the fact that you're even less likely to buy them at list now isn't all that significant.

[AlanC9]

What?
You don't set prices depending on the price of used games, which publishers try to kill anyway. There's no second-hand market on PC for example. Also, when you buy a used game, you expect it to be cheaper than a new one, because it's more risky to do so.

How is it risky? If the disc's busted, you tell the guy who sold it to you that you'll nuke his eBay rating unless he gives you a refund. This has never failed in my experience, though that's from other types of product since I've never got a bad used disc yet. Though, honestly, I haven't bought a used disc since Mysteries of the Sith, or any kind of disc since ME2.