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[Qun00]

The male equivalent to a queen, a powerless shadow?

[Morlanwen]

"Consort" is a ... huu, title given to the spouse of a queen (where women are allowed to rule as queen).

It shows the difference between a queen (who is queen because her parents were king and queen) and a queen (who married a king)
The same goes for prince consort (or king consort): A king is king because his birth (mom and dad were queen/king) and a king/prince consort "just" married a queen.

 

It does sound awfull with my poor english, but I hope you got the idea

[Yaroub]

He's the husband of a sovereign queen and not a king.

 

Such as prince Albert the spouse of queen Victoria.

[vertigomez]

The reigning monarch, King or Queen, is almost always more powerful than their spouse who merely married into royalty. So Cailan (officially...) had more clout than Anora, and Anora has more clout than male Cousland. Alistair muddies the waters, but he has Theirin blood which is something neither Anora or male Cousland can claim.

It's a sexism thing. If the King regnant marries a woman who calls herself Queen, he doesn't lose any power. But if a Queen regnant marries a King... historically speaking, a man can only become a King through his own power, so either he usurps the Queen or marries her and becomes Prince/Prince-Consort/King-Consort, etc. (There's not really an official title here...)

Uh. I think.

[Qun00]

That's the big question.

While a queen lacks in power, she still receives much respect for being what she is.

I cannot imagine that a prince consort is given much of either.

[vertigomez]

..?

I'm not sure I understand. He's still respected, he's just not the final word on things. Sort of like if Anora marries Alistair. She's still well-loved, but Alistair has the last word when it comes to governance and what-have-you eta because his claim to the throne is stronger than hers and he's the reigning monarch.

It's why female Cousland can declare her intent to marry King Alistair and be his Queen (consort), but she can't declare herself Queen (regnant) and have Alistair as her Prince-Consort. His claim overrides hers.

But no, technically Cousland of either sex doesn't have much power in comparison to their spouse.

[Kynare]

I think it's still perfectly possible for the Prince consort to have considerable influence. Considering they're also the Hero of Ferelden and (optionally) the Warden-Commander, paired with the positive reputation the Cousland family had gained around Ferelden, they have some invaluable war experience and popularity. They would just appeal more to the people than the political parties at first, which can eventually lead to more political power as well. And if you got support from all of the nobles before the Landsmeet, you could easily have even more influence. It's a position with a high chance for growth.

[Ghost Gal]

Prince-consort is just the title given to a king who received his crown by marrying the queen regnant, rather than one who rules in his own right.

 

It's the gender-flipped version of queen-consort, which is just a title given to a queen who received her crown by marrying the reigning king, as opposed to the queen regnant who rules in her own right.

 

Since the male Human Noble can only gain the crown by marrying Anora, he is by definition a prince consort to her queen regnant, rather than a "king."

 

However, it's worth noting that "prince-consort" is in many respects the same as a "king-consort," and sometimes in real life the words are used interchangeably. They're just "officially" most often called "prince-consort" because... Well, some people will tell you "tradition," but I think it's because of old-fashioned ideas that the only way a woman could gain authority was if a man was bumped beneath her. 

 

In Anora's case though, I don't think she's necessarily trying to bump down the male Warden by insisting he be called "prince-consort" instead of "king-consort," I think she just had a huge scare after her father usurped her power and then abused it (what with Loghain declaring himself regent, then ignoring her authority and nearly running her country into the ground), so out of reflexive fear she reminds the Warden he's prince-consort because, "No, you gained your crown by marrying me, so you don't get to declare yourself king and then use it to do whatever you want." Honestly, I'd be just as wary as her just after having Loghain as my regent.

[Mike3207]

I think it's still perfectly possible for the Prince consort to have considerable influence. Considering they're also the Hero of Ferelden and (optionally) the Warden-Commander, paired with the positive reputation the Cousland family had gained around Ferelden, they have some invaluable war experience and popularity. They would just appeal more to the people than the political parties at first, which can eventually lead to more political power as well. And if you got support from all of the nobles before the Landsmeet, you could easily have even more influence. It's a position with a high chance for growth.

That's my view on it as well. You get a fair amount of references in DA2 to the Warden being referred as King. I feel that's a natural outgrowth for Anora's cameo in Awakening where she clearly is starting to build a strong relationship with the male Cousland. I think it's only practical for Anora to agree to share power with the Cousland to make things easier for her, as in that case the Couslands would be much stronger political allies. All that would have gone away of course, when the Warden disappeared.

[cheapp]

Cousland is always consort, but Anora and Alistair always struck me as coregency (like Ferdinand V and Isabela I of Castille, who were equal rulers) rather than one of them being consort. Alistair had the Theirin blood, Anora had the political clout in the Landsmeet + she wasn't going to go back to being consort after what happened with Cailan and Loghain.

[Jeffonl1]

like Ferdinand V and Isabela I of Castille, who were equal rulers) rather than one of them being consort. Alistair had the Theirin blood, Anora had the political clout in the Landsmeet + she wasn't going to go back to being consort after what happened with Cailan and Loghain.
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Or like William and Mary of England (who both actually requested to be named co-regnal)

[Qun00]

Cousland is always consort, but Anora and Alistair always struck me as coregency (like Ferdinand V and Isabela I of Castille, who were equal rulers) rather than one of them being consort. Alistair had the Theirin blood, Anora had the political clout in the Landsmeet + she wasn't going to go back to being consort after what happened with Cailan and Loghain.

Anora did want him to be consort, though.

She only marries Alistair on the condition that he would stand back and let her rule.

[Jeffonl1]

Anora did want him to be consort, though.

She only marries Alistair on the condition that he would stand back and let her rule.

This only happens if Alistair is unhardened and the Hof is not Chancellor. Otherwise he is co-monarch (although he does accept 'learning the art of governance' from Anora, and 'often deferring to her judgement').

[Mike3207]

This only happens if Alistair is unhardened and the Hof is not Chancellor. Otherwise he is co-monarch (although he does accept 'learning the art of governance' from Anora, and 'often deferring to her judgement').

The point remains that she doesn't really want to marry Alistair(she married his relative Cailan) and has to be pushed into it by the Warden.

 

She does seem to like the male Cousland-marrying a hero and all that-and only brings up consort because she fears he'll take over and she'll be in a subordinate role like she was with Cailan.

[MerAnne]

A prince consort is the husband of the queen and will not become the king in his own right, upon the death of the queen.  It is a rarely used title, but basically says that Anora's husband "is not the boss of her"

 

A Prince, Princess, King, or Queen Consort would not rule after the death of the reigning monarch.  If Anora should die before Alistair (if he is King Consort), then their children would be next in line for the throne.  If there are no children, Alistair would have the same claim to the throne that he did before marrying Anora - as the only recognized (even though illegitimate) living son of King Maric.

 

Alistair is something of a special case since being the son of Maric put him in line for the throne without marrying Anora.

[Cyberpunk]

Bioware said that the Warden did not let the "consort" part prevent him from struggling with Anora over power. In my head canon, Aedan Cousland becomes the real power behind the throne. 

 

However Bioware said that the girl Cousland is genuinely in love with Alistair and is content with just helping Alistair run the show . 

[Ghost Gal]

Bioware said that the Warden did not let the "consort" part prevent him from struggling with Anora over power. In my head canon, Aedan Cousland becomes the real power behind the throne. 

 

However Bioware said that the girl Cousland is genuinely in love with Alistair and is content with just helping Alistair run the show . 

 

Gotta love the sexist double-standrad. Women should be okay being labeled "consort" and sitting back and letting the man run the show, but ask a man to accept being called a "consort" and taking a side-seat or back-seat to let a woman run part of or most of the show? Can't have that--men belong in the seat of power and will wrestle the woman down to get it.

[Illegitimus]

Gotta love the sexist double-standrad. Women should be okay being labeled "consort" and sitting back and letting the man run the show, but ask a man to accept being called a "consort" and taking a side-seat or back-seat to let a woman run part of or most of the show? Can't have that--men belong in the seat of power and will wrestle the woman down to get it.

 

Except it's almost certain that the female noble actually does play a bigger role in ruling (if she wants) considering that she's been telling Alistair what to do all year.  The prince consort is going to have to try harder because he's married to Anora.  

[DebatableBubble]

And what Cyber said doesn't seem right at all. A fem!Cousland might only have married Alistair for the throne, stayed with the Wardens, romanced Zev, or Lels. 

[Aren]

But no, technically Cousland of either sex doesn't have much power in comparison to their spouse.

What? effectively  speaking  is pretty much the opposite 

I bring the example of the male Cousland consort (my canon) but tis is valid for the queen also.

What power Anora or Alistair have exactly compared to their consorts?

let's see the comparison

 

 

1)Prince/King Cousland Queen Cousland:

Teyrn of Gwaren

Arle of amarantine

Champion of Denerim

Brother of the teyrn of highever

champion of Redcliffe

Friend of Bhelen king of the dwarves (in my game) which is the one who survive unlike Harrowmont

HoF

after DAA savior of Ferelden

King consort

Possible close friend or lover (lover in m case )of the Divine (epilogue of tresspasser)

Most powerful and influencial warden commander of the soutern Thedas.

not to mention the possibility to possess the only heir which is something that the nobility want (albeit not a noble, only for male noble  cousland)

Pretty much not only a member of the crown and a complete noble wich neither Anora and neither Alistair are but also with so many titles 2/3 of Ferelden is in the consorts hands ,their influence is by far greater than the one of Alistair and Anora,power means titles and lands and reputations which are points in which the consorts out match ALIstair and especally Anora 

(of whom in my game is the daugter of a disgraced General who didn't survived to restore his honor)

In my case as  said with Anora as the spouse  tis is even more accentuated since tat se s less legitimated than Alistair ,and this is way she as her problems in DAI with her legitimacy.

Anora regret the marriage she knew that she was a tool but she didn't have another possibility to take the throne

 

 

 

2)Anora Alistair:

Both are not of complete pure and royal blood Alistair is a bastard and Anora is the daughter of a commoner who was a Teyrn

They both do not possess 1/30 of their consorts power,no lands,no titles ,nothing aside from the crown and nobody knows them outside of their country aside from Anora whose renown by Celine (she was queen for 5 years after all).plus as i said they are not even nobles.

 

i would say that this profile  at the end of DAI easily put the consorts as to be on of the most powerful nobles in the Dragon age for both personal powers,lands,riches,knowledges of important persons,and probably more capable for what the narrative said of their spouses.

(Or at least i consider the prince to be more capable than both AListair, which is true since HoF>Alistair regardless of Origin,and possibly Anora to some degree,no in diplomatic skill,i consider her to be superior in this regard)

 

and about the theirins blood? Who cares! Alistair,Cailan,Maric Chalenad ecc not one of them did what the HoF did,these are just folish traditions

[Dai Grepher]

Prince-consort is the husband of a regnant queen, who is he himself not a monarch.

 

For the record, the human noble male who marries Anora is not a prince-consort, despite what parts of Origins, 2, and Inquisition state. Other parts of all three games also state he is king, so this is a conflict among the writers.

 

But he is in fact a regnant king, and this is because he was elected by the Bannorn at the Landsmeet along with Anora, and this was based on what he stated, which will either be "Anora will be Queen, and I will rule beside her", or "I will rule at Queen Anora's side, as her husband." This is what the Bannorn agrees to, and so the M!Cousland is king, and Anora is queen. They rule jointly.

 

 

What? effectively  speaking  is pretty much the opposite 

I bring the example of the male Cousland consort (my canon) but tis is valid for the queen also.

What power Anora or Alistair have exactly compared to their consorts?

let's see the comparison

 

 

1)Prince/King Cousland Queen Cousland:

Teyrn of Gwaren

Arle of amarantine

Champion of Denerim

Brother of the teyrn of highever

champion of Redcliffe

Friend of Bhelen king of the dwarves (in my game) which is the one who survive unlike Harrowmont

HoF

after DAA savior of Ferelden

King consort

Possible close friend or lover (lover in m case )of the Divine (epilogue of tresspasser)

Most powerful and influencial warden commander of the soutern Thedas.

not to mention the possibility to possess the only heir which is something that the nobility want (albeit not a noble, only for male noble  cousland)

Pretty much not only a member of the crown and a complete noble wich neither Anora and neither Alistair are but also with so many titles 2/3 of Ferelden is in the consorts hands ,their influence is by far greater than the one of Alistair and Anora,power means titles and lands and reputations which are points in which the consorts out match ALIstair and especally Anora 

(of whom in my game is the daugter of a disgraced General who didn't survived to restore his honor)

In my case as  said with Anora as the spouse  tis is even more accentuated since tat se s less legitimated than Alistair ,and this is way she as her problems in DAI with her legitimacy.

Anora regret the marriage she knew that she was a tool but she didn't have another possibility to take the throne

 

 

 

2)Anora Alistair:

Both are not of complete pure and royal blood Alistair is a bastard and Anora is the daughter of a commoner who was a Teyrn

They both do not possess 1/30 of their consorts power,no lands,no titles ,nothing aside from the crown and nobody knows them outside of their country aside from Anora whose renown by Celine (she was queen for 5 years after all).plus as i said they are not even nobles.

 

i would say that this profile  at the end of DAI easily put the consorts as to be on of the most powerful nobles in the Dragon age for both personal powers,lands,riches,knowledges of important persons,and probably more capable for what the narrative said of their spouses.

(Or at least i consider the prince to be more capable than both AListair, which is true since HoF>Alistair regardless of Origin,and possibly Anora to some degree,no in diplomatic skill,i consider her to be superior in this regard)

 

and about the theirins blood? Who cares! Alistair,Cailan,Maric Chalenad ecc not one of them did what the HoF did,these are just folish traditions

 

 

You forgot that he's the finder of Andraste's sacred ashes, as well. And you're forgetting about the Hero's Persuasive skill in diplomatic matters. But still a great post.

[Aren]

 

 

 

You forgot that he's the finder of Andraste's sacred ashes, as well. And you're forgetting about the Hero's Persuasive skill in diplomatic matters. But still a great post.

I conveniently avoided to mention the ashes,since i do not know how many peoples found them (since apparently they disappeared),bu yes there is the option to tell both to Genitivi and to Bhelen as well as to brother Burkel to build a statue or a memorial or something for what you did ,

(Bhelen was annoyed by this arrogance).

Having Bhelen as a friend grant more strong relationship between Orzammar and their lyrium and Ferelden,both would benefit from it,neither AListair or Anora have these powerful friends,someone like Bhelen/Harrowmont would not even speak as equals with the like of AListair.

Chiara lavellan took it correctly,unlike Queen cousland/Alistair situation

King Cousland/ANora are equals in effective powers both are monarchs (both elected by the landsmeet under the HoF word) the scenario is pretty much different than the one of the Queen Cousland,since you decide at the end to rule with her,while with AListair he already is king the warden just decide to be her consort.

I can't really blame her for the marriage since she was in a difficult situation,plus i believe that she found the HoF to be likeable and appealing,more than Cailan (she cared about him because he knew him) and certainly by far more than AListair) she is the only one who call the warden a prince, since she is afraid for what happened with Loghain,but she will get over it.

As for the persuasions skill,yep the king have it,but i prefer for her Anora to get rid of those matters most of the time,while focusing the attention more on personal training and to unlock the taint secrets with Avernus,objective being the strong swordsmanship in the world,so fast and powerful that no even mages, dragons,ancient elves will escape from their death.

[Dai Grepher]

 

I conveniently avoided to mention the ashes,since i do not know how many peoples found them (since apparently they disappeared),bu yes there is the option to tell both to Genitivi and to Bhelen as well as to brother Burkel to build a statue or a memorial or something for what you did ,

(Bhelen was annoyed by this arrogance).

Having Bhelen as a friend grant more strong relationship between Orzammar and their lyrium and Ferelden,both would benefit from it,neither AListair or Anora have these powerful friends,someone like Bhelen/Harrowmont would not even speak as equals with the like of AListair.

Chiara lavellan took i correctly,unlike Queen cousland/Alistair siuation

King Cousland/ANora are equals in effective powers both are monarchs (both eleced by the landsmeet under the HoF word) the scenario is pretty much different than the one of the Queen Cousland,since you decide at the end to rule wih her,while with AListair he already is king the warden just decide to be her consort.

I can't really blame her for the marriage since she was in a difficult situation,plus i believe hat she found he HoF to be likeable and appealing,more than Cailan (she cared about him because he knew him) and certainly by far more than AListair) she is the ony one who call the warden prince since she is afraid fo what happened wih Loghain,but she will get over it.

As for the persuasions skill,yep the king have it,but i prefer for her Anora to get rid of those matters most of the time,while focusing the attention more on personal training and to unlock the taint secrets with Avernus,objective being the strong swordsmanship in the world,so fast and powerful that no even mages, dragons,ancient elves will escape from their death.

 

 

Yeah but doesn't the Hero always find the ashes, even if they poisoned the urn or killed Genitivi? Because Eamon's recovery would confirm that the Hero found the ashes.

 

You mean the F!Cousland decides to be Alistair's consort? I don't know since I've never played an F!Cousland.

 

I think Anora can possibly have some feeling for the M!Cousland, depending on how you play it. Mine saved her, surrendered to Ser Cauthrien to allow her escape, said all the right things to her, got all the dialogue options with her, spared her father's life, was true to his word in getting them both elected, let Loghain die a hero slaying the Archdemon, spoke well of him to Anora when she asked about it, and he told her he would stick around court to help. Regardless, Anora knew Eleanor and considered her dear to her.

 

I think the prince thing is mostly a breakdown in communications among the writing staff, but I agree that Anora was trying (poorly) to limit the king to being a prince-consort because she feared being usurped again. She even admits (if you press her on it post-coronation) that the title is perhaps a technicality. But when introducing him to those gathered she calls him "king". In any case, I think BioWare needs to fix this so there is no confusion among fans and so our King Couslands can be recognized as such.

 

Yeah, mine had Avernus do ethical research. I wish we could have conscripted Jowan and sent him to help Avernus and eventually carry on his work. But I believe Anora is good at handling diplomatic matters. In Awakening she handles the Bannorn and the King handles Amaranthine and its nobles (and not so nobles).

 

The cure quest better show some results. I hate that my King Cousland had to spend so many years away from Anora and Ferelden, and in that time so many things went so horribly wrong without him. Good thing my Inquisitor was there to help out (though not in Redcliffe Castle, he went to Therinfall instead).

[Aren]

 

I think Anora can possibly have some feeling for the M!Cousland, depending on how you play it. 

This is more evident during her cameo in DAA,she call the warden husband yet she refer again with the title of prince since it been only few weeks from the marriage,since according to the slides it happen 6 months after the archdemon death while awakening more or less 6-7 months after,so they are pretty much married by few weeks i think,and as a honeymoon the Warden get to take care of more monsters....really a great honeymoon...

After DAA however she changed drastically as it stated on the epilogue when the warden return she even smile at his return (and Anora smiling for someone is indeed rare)

In DAI she (or at least this is what i remember for the codex) is sadly looking for her husband sign that she is more happy when he's around.

Her and Alistair together instead in DAO post coronation but also in DAI as a couple seems cold like an iceberg.

To change for a single game which is not my canon i have no problem in try to variate with a female Cousland  but i found AListair to be not likeable like a monarch i don't like his personality,he has no candor no charm for my tastes (i don't like jokesters) and his cameo as king in DAII when he refer to Queen Cousland ,he call her (even if it was affectionately)

 old balls and chain eccc.. and mde a series of comment of whom i didn't like at all,simply because as i said he doesn't possess the candor and the noble composure that is an important aspect of the crown.

Anora may not be 100%noble (her mother was) but she possess the noble posture also in her manner of speech.

[Dai Grepher]

 

This is more evident during her cameo in DAA,she call the warden husband yet she refer again with the title of prince since it been only few weeks from the marriage,since according to the slides it happen 6 months after the archdemon death while awakening more or less 6-7 months after,so they are pretty much married by few weeks i think,and as a honeymoon the Warden get to take care of more monsters....really a great honeymoon...

After DAA however she changed drastically as it stated on the epilogue when the warden return she even smile at his return (and Anora smiling for someone is indeed rare)

In DAI she (or at least this is what i remember for the codex) is sadly looking for her husband sign that she is more happy when he's around.

Her and Alistair together instead in DAO post coronation but also in DAI as a couple seems cold like an iceberg.

To change for a single game which is not my canon i have no problem in try to variate with a female Cousland  but i found AListair to be not likeable like a monarch i don't like his personality,he has no candor no charm for my tastes (i don't like jokesters) and his cameo as king in DAII when he refer to Queen Cousland ,he call her (even if it was affectionately)

 old balls and chain eccc.. and mde a series of comment of whom i didn't like at all,simply because as i said he doesn't possess the candor and the noble composure that is an important aspect of the crown.

Anora may not be 100%noble (her mother was) but she possess the noble posture also in her manner of speech.

 

 

Yeah, that's annoying. She says, "This is why you are a prince of Ferelden". Not even "THE" prince, but "A" prince. As if there are others around somewhere. I just select a different dialogue choice.

 

I don't think it states her feelings in her codex. I think that is all part of the Hero's codex. But it does state that "she" began the process of rebuilding Ferelden after the blight, a process that had gone well up until the Hero disappeared from court several years ago. I don't like how it says she began the process. It should state "they", not just her. That's how it ends anyway, the process goes well until the Hero disappears from court.
 

But the Hero's codex says they were happily married.

 

I never liked Alistair as a character, personally.

 

Anora's mother was the daughter of a carpenter, I think. She wasn't noble. Loghain wasn't noble until Maric made him a teyrn.