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[Dermain]

I generally do not support toggles as solutions to problems, but this is simply foolish reasoning.

 

Fiction is not about what we tolerate. It's about what we want. What we desire. What we fantasize about. I tolerate all sorts people in real life I consider very, very less than ideal because it's not my world and neither of us have a choice whether we wish to participate or not. We have nowhere else to go. This is the only world we have.

 

Fiction is entirely different. I choose to spend my money and my time with a certain story, a certain world. 'Tolerating' certain people isn't good enough. I expect my fiction to generally be full of attractive, desirable, interesting people. Characters being merely 'tolerable' is unacceptable. They need to be desirable.

 

I see you've moved on from your fixation on heroism.

 

Sadly this move isn't as funny as the old one.

 

Well gee, I don't know. You tell me. How many of the people on the topic have some sort of neurotic fixation or another that gay men and other minorities are obligated to be treated and perceived 'equally'? If many of them do, it's very related. There's already an implicit inequality in absolutely nobody suggesting a 'straight toggle' switch.

 

As for acceptable conduct - well, the female character obviously has to be attractive. Players aren't going to be happy about being forcefully kissed by a hag. (Another obvious inequality deliberately enforced by pretty much all creators of fiction in existence.) Do you need me to tell you this? You should know how people react to fiction.

 

Well that's certainly an interesting choice of words... 

[FKA_Servo]

In fairness to Queen Skadi, this topic happened in a different thread where I believe it derailed said thread since it was not the intended topic of the thread so it is a possiblity that they were starting a different thread so it needn't be in the other and could be discussed here instead. That was my impression, at least.

In fairness to Skadi, I'm 100% certain s/he's making these threads for laughs.

[Flog the Undying]

Even if there weren't homosexual people on the ark for some outdated reproductive reason, why wouldn't there be bisexual people?

[Rabinson]

In a simple image:

[Rappeldrache]

Even if there weren't homosexual people on the ark for some outdated reproductive reason, why wouldn't there be bisexual people?

 

In Dragon Age 2 there were ONLY bisexuel people, or? Was a bit ... strange.

 

I liked it more in DAI, where you had every "direction".

[daveliam]

Again, just to clarify, there were not only bisexual people in DA2.  Your party of 9 characters (including both Hawke twins) had:

 

3 straight people - Aveline, Varric, and Sebastian

4 bisexual people - Anders, Isabela, Merrill, and Fenris

2 people with unknown sexuality - Carver and Bethany (Carver is not gay because he shows interest in female characters; Not sure about Bethany)

 

It's not nearly as skewed as people make it.  Even amongst the LI's, not all of the characters are bisexual.

[Shechinah]

...

 

I believe David Gaider may confirmed that Saemus Dumar were gay. I say may because I'll have to find a quote to be sure.
 

[The Hierophant]

Again, just to clarify, there were not only bisexual people in DA2.  Your party of 9 characters (including both Hawke twins) had:

 

3 straight people - Aveline, Varric, and Sebastian

4 bisexual people - Anders, Isabela, Merrill, and Fenris

2 people with unknown sexuality - Carver and Bethany (Carver is not gay because he shows interest in female characters; Not sure about Bethany)

 

It's not nearly as skewed as people make it.  Even amongst the LI's, not all of the characters are bisexual.

Hey pal, if we can't fuk em' then they don't count.

[Cyonan]

Again, just to clarify, there were not only bisexual people in DA2.  Your party of 9 characters (including both Hawke twins) had:

 

3 straight people - Aveline, Varric, and Sebastian

4 bisexual people - Anders, Isabela, Merrill, and Fenris

2 people with unknown sexuality - Carver and Bethany (Carver is not gay because he shows interest in female characters; Not sure about Bethany)

 

It's not nearly as skewed as people make it.  Even amongst the LI's, not all of the characters are bisexual.

 

When people say DA2 has only bisexual people they mean the LIs of the core game.

 

Sebastian isn't part of the core game. He's a DLC character, even if he was available at launch.

[daveliam]

Right, but when people say that DA2 has only bisexual people, they are wrong.  If they mean "only LI's in the core game", then they should say that.  But they don't and I'd guess it's partially because it's a less compelling statement due to all of the qualifiers.  I mean, Sebastian was a day 1 full-game DLC companion.  It's hard to dismiss him outright when people don't dismiss him as a companion. 

[Rappeldrache]

Again, just to clarify, there were not only bisexual people in DA2.  Your party of 9 characters (including both Hawke twins) had:

 

3 straight people - Aveline, Varric, and Sebastian

4 bisexual people - Anders, Isabela, Merrill, and Fenris

2 people with unknown sexuality - Carver and Bethany (Carver is not gay because he shows interest in female characters; Not sure about Bethany)

 

It's not nearly as skewed as people make it.  Even amongst the LI's, not all of the characters are bisexual.

 

Sorry, only bisexuell romance-companion.

 

And Sebastian was ... a REAl romance option, sorry.

[Cyonan]

Right, but when people say that DA2 has only bisexual people, they are wrong.  If they mean "only LI's in the core game", then they should say that.  But they don't and I'd guess it's partially because it's a less compelling statement due to all of the qualifiers.  I mean, Sebastian was a day 1 full-game DLC companion.  It's hard to dismiss him outright when people don't dismiss him as a companion. 

 

I tend to dismiss him because he didn't come free with a new copy of the game on Steam, and I'm not paying for that. If Javik were a LI, I would probably dismiss him from general discussions about romance in ME3 too because he's not a core squadmate, and only available to people who purchased the collector's edition or the From Ashes DLC.

 

Even so it's only 1/5 of the LI characters in the game, it's only available to a female Hawke, and I have to pay extra for it.

 

The core issue still stands that they just wrote the bulk of the romance arcs as bisexual, likely to cut down on the amount of romance writing they had to do.

 

In either case, they already fixed that in Inquisition anyway.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Traditionally attractive females? I dunno, whatever it is that helps attract the Witcher's demographic.

 

Honestly I don't find any of the women that Geralt can romance to be all that attractive. . 

[dixophilia]

I think the fact that we're more than likely going to have several alien love interests renders the original question mute.

If I romance an Asari, Turian, Drell or what have you, there is no chance of a human child regardless.

[Killdren88]

I think the fact that we're more than likely going to have several alien love interests renders the original question mute.

If I romance an Asari, Turian, Drell or what have you, there is no chance of a human child regardless.

 

So long as donations are put in Cryo freeze I doubt the higher up care what you do.

[straykat]

I don't care about homosexual content.. Somehow it's more disturbing to some types of interspecies requests I see here and there.. heterosexual/homosexual/whatever. It's not even practical most of the time... Perhaps that's mainly a beef with artists. They didn't concieve of these designs with believable sex in mind. It's not their fault exactly.

[FKA_Servo]

They didn't concieve of these designs with believable sex in mind. It's not their fault exactly.

 

This is Bioware's art team, making stuff for Bioware's fanbase.

 

It occurred to them, trust me.

[straykat]

This is Bioware's art team, making stuff for Bioware's fanbase.

 

It occurred to them, trust me.

 

I was led to believe some of it was afterthought. Like Casey Hudson mentioned Turian designs for romance only afterwards.. Surprised that people could want some "bird like guy with an exoskeleton". He was also concerned with conveying emotion in the series. He was afraid lack of humanity in some faces wouldn't work.

[MissOuJ]

Umm... IVF and ICSI exist already, and they're not all that recent inventions either. And taking into account that the ME universe has genetic engineering, cloning, AI and cryo, so it's not too outlandish in my opinion to assume that they also have some form of artificial uterus or EUFI. And isn't that kinda implied in the series already (referring to Miranda - although it's also possible that his father payed some woman a big sum of money to carry and birth Miranda and Oriana)?

 

So, in any event... I can't see how begin gay or otherwise not taking part in the "re-population efforts" (ugh) of the new galaxy would be selfish in any way.

[Cyonan]

I was led to believe some of it was afterthought. Like Casey Hudson mentioned Turian designs for romance only afterwards.. Surprised that people could want some "bird like guy with an exoskeleton". He was also concerned with conveying emotion in the series. He was afraid lack of humanity in some faces wouldn't work.

 

and now they know their fanbase will want to bang anything and everything.

[FKA_Servo]

and now they know their fanbase will want to bang anything and everything.

 

They certainly have no excuse post ME2, that's for sure.

 

[straykat]

and now they know their fanbase will want to bang anything and everything.

 

Yeah.

 

I understanding playing around and giving into some of these requests, but it's a bit like Pandora's box.

[Cyonan]

Ah Thundertactics.

 

Truly the greatest Talimancer of our time.

[Fredward]

They certainly have no excuse post ME2, that's for sure.

 

 

So what was the ultimate conclusion? Just that she smelled and tasted different? I could've guessed that. HUMANITY HAS QUESTIONS.

[MissOuJ]

They certainly have no excuse post ME2, that's for sure.

Spoiler

 

 

 

The fact that Thundertactics is wondering about the smell and composure of Tali's "... other urea based excretions" in addition to her sweat tells me far more about him than I ever wanted to know.

 

A truly stellar moment in the history of BSN (pun not intended).