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[FKA_Servo]

Oh, I wouldn't actually bet on that if I were you. There were already some instances of (sparse) gay and even transgender (well transvestite more accurately) content in TW3 as far as I remember. Before you know it they might actually offer a playable female protagonists and maybe somwhere in the future (around 2020) even gay romance. (Okay probably just lesbian romance at first but still.)

And then people will compain about how CDPR sold out by pandering to "the gay agenda", which will be disturbing, pathetic, annoying and kind of funny to watch all at once.

 

They've already gotten people turning on them because of that absurd downgrade controversy as we see.

 

Ten years and a few games from now, the novelty will have worn off and they'll have just as many haters as EA and Bioware.

[Fredward]

As much as do do disagree with him on every other level, he did say if everything else was completely identical, so your example is inappropriate for making fun of him.

 

I edited my post. And why would I make fun on him?

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

I edited my post. And why would I make fun on him?

You know, you are the most reasonable progressive I have ever encountered. That is appreciated. 

[Gannayev of Dreams]

I'd answer the question in the title with: no

 

I think that at this point in human society (“this” point meaning the time period in which the ME series takes place) concepts such as love, sex, and reproduction can be taken as wholly independent. Both culturally and scientifically. It will certainly be acceptable to combine the three, I’m sure, but the fact remains that even amongst humans today love is not required for sex, and sex is not required for reproduction. Presumably in the future it will be even less so.

[fhs33721]

I edited my post. And why would I make fun on him?

I just thought the eye-example was meant as a lighthearted jab at the hip-ratio thing. I apologize if that was not the case and I've misread it.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

I'd answer the question in the title with: no

 

I think that at this point in human society (“this” point meaning the time period in which the ME series takes place) concepts such as love, sex, and reproduction can be taken as wholly independent. Both culturally and scientifically. It will certainly be acceptable to combine the three, I’m sure, but the fact remains that even amongst humans today love is not required for sex, and sex is not required for reproduction. Presumably in the future it will be even less so.

Those were some great characters from mask of the betrayer.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

I just thought the eye-example was meant as a lighthearted jab at the hip-ratio thing. I apologize that was not the case and I've misread it.

The waist to hip ratio is universally attested and well documented. Not sure what the issue is with this?

[fhs33721]

The waist to hip ratio is universally attested and well documented. Not sure what the issue is with this?

Nothing. As said, I have no issue with the waist to hip ratio. I even defended it when I wrongly thought Fredward was making fun of it.

[KaiserShep]

Oh, I wouldn't actually bet on that if I were you. There were already some instances of (sparse) gay and even transgender (well transvestite more accurately) content in TW3 as far as I remember. Before you know it they might actually offer a playable female protagonists and maybe somwhere in the future (around 2020) even gay romance. (Okay probably just lesbian romance at first but still.)
And then people will compain about how CDPR sold out by pandering to "the gay agenda", which will be disturbing, pathetic, annoying and kind of funny to watch all at once.

Who knows what we'll get in Cyberpunk. It's the future, so anything goes.

[fhs33721]

Who knows what we'll get in Cyberpunk. It's the future, so anything goes.

Do we even have a release date or anything for that game yet? Because the premise has been around for a long time but I personally haven't heard anything concrete so far.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Do we even have a release date or anything for that game yet? Because the premise has been around for a long time but I personally haven't heard anything concrete so far.

No but I think 2017.

[Former_Fiend]

I'm just disappointed that Cyberpunk is getting a modern AAA release before Shadowrun.

[Abraham_uk]

Nothing against homosexual romances or homosexual people, but if you are creating an ark to ensure the survival of certain species just relocating and finding a new home is not enough as you have to ensure the specimens you take are able to procreate and re-populate the species and until the feminist overlords eliminate the need for males by perfecting the science of creating sperm cells from a female donor's stem cells (something that still has not been achieved in the Mass Effect universe due to the infestation of males that seem to worm their way into the setting) homosexual relationships just aren't a viable means for reproduction.

 

Is this a theme that will ever be explored in the new setting? Perhaps even by including homosexual romances and exploring a theme where the player has to choose between being with somebody they love and sacrificing that love for the good of the colony, with every new frontier new challenges are faced but does the good of the colony come before those you love?

 

Hmm. I don't think this opening post is homophobic.

However I feel that it this space is going to be invaded with bigots.

Fingers crossed it doesn't...

 

 

Now to answer your question. I don't think it is at all selfish.

The reason people ask for more and better representation for minority groups is because there is a lack of it.

I doubt that people think of an ultra camp supremely effervescent personality for gays and ultra butch personality for lesbians. I think enough homosexuals are out of the closet to bust that myth.

 

That said, if your only experience of LGBT's is through fiction, you're left with a handful of representations and they're normally hyper stereotyped. So I don't think it's "selfish" to expect homosexuals in the setting.

 

Regarding reproduction: homosexuals never had a problem with reproduction. Copulation is not the only means to reproduce. This has been possible before test tube babies, cloning, augmented humans etc. So here is the key. Human sperm to fertilise woman. The woman gives birth nine months down the line. Done. It's not really that complicated. If 100% of humanity were homosexual the species would not become extinct. We'd merely adapt.

[fhs33721]

No but I think 2017.

A yes, thank you. Found an article that says the earliest would be 2017.   Well I guess I don't need to get on the hype train just yet.

[ddraigcoch123]

The waist to hip ratio is universally attested and well documented. Not sure what the issue is with this?

If male preference for women with low WHRs doesn't obtain across cultures then it's not universal and it doesn't. And if you want to read more about how badly documented your well documented statement is you might want to read Joseph Henrich,Steven J. Heine and Ara Norenzayan (2010)   This doesn't mean that our genetic/evolutionary programming  doesn't impact on our choices but that information takes place within a wider context and does not affect behaviour directly and solely.

We will need to agree to disagree on this  unless you are in possession of some brand new, peer reviewed research backing up your 'universally attested' statement.

 

Sorry this is also horribly off topic and that's all from me on this subject I just don't think we should use absolutes leaning on science and research that is open to interpretation and different conclusions.

[marcelo caldas]

yes

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

If male preference for women with low WHRs doesn't obtain across cultures then it's not universal and it doesn't. And if you want to read more about how badly documented your well documented statement is you might want to read Joseph Henrich,Steven J. Heine and Ara Norenzayan (2010)   This doesn't mean that our genetic/evolutionary programming  doesn't impact on our choices but that information takes place within a wider context and does not affect behaviour directly and solely.

We will need to agree to disagree on this  unless you are in possession of some brand new, peer reviewed research backing up your 'universally attested' statement.

 

Sorry this is also horribly off topic and that's all from me on this subject I just don't think we should use absolutes leaning on science and research that is open to interpretation and different conclusions.

How does our evolution not affect our behaviour directly? I would agree it does not affect it solely but not directly? all we are, are products of human evolution, which is a constant feedback loop between the biological and environmental. Nothing we do is not affected by our evolution.

[SinisterSquash]

You seriously contend that 'most men' prefer juvenile looking women and if their current 'mate' has the wrong waist to hip ratio they will seek out a younger model of the nubile variety with child like characteristics?  It's certainly not what the men in their thirties who I know are looking for in real life but then of course we are talking about video games so perhaps we all allow our rampant hormones to control our minds when things become digital

Ick! I really hope that use of the word neotenous- meaning neoteny, pedogenesis, is the retention, by adults in a species, of traits previously seen only in juveniles (pedomorphosis/paedomorphosis), or the production of offspring by an organism in its larval or juvenile form; the elimination of the adult phase of the life cycle- isn't meant to imply adult male gamers want to have sex with a female character that looks like a juvenile or child.

[FKA_Servo]

Ick! I really hope that use of the word neotenous- meaning neoteny, pedogenesis, is the retention, by adults in a species, of traits previously seen only in juveniles (pedomorphosis/paedomorphosis), or the production of offspring by an organism in its larval or juvenile form; the elimination of the adult phase of the life cycle- isn't meant to imply adult male gamers want to have sex with a female character that looks like a juvenile or child.

Possibly it's just the ones that are Internet trained evolutionary psychologists.

[mistermutiny1989]

Without reading previous pages of comments I'd just like to add the perspective of cultural evolution to a point where sexuality wasn't even a thing anymore and that love was love regardless of gender (wow I sound like such a hippie haha)... An entire mass effect generation of pansexuals. THAT would be amazing. But hey this is coming from a bisexual male who is still annoyed I couldn't romance Alistair in DA:O. He loves me.... I know it.

[BatarianBob]

Nothing against homosexual romances or homosexual people, but if you are creating an ark to ensure the survival of certain species just relocating and finding a new home is not enough as you have to ensure the specimens you take are able to procreate and re-populate the species and until the feminist overlords eliminate the need for males by perfecting the science of creating sperm cells from a female donor's stem cells (something that still has not been achieved in the Mass Effect universe due to the infestation of males that seem to worm their way into the setting) homosexual relationships just aren't a viable means for reproduction.

Is this a theme that will ever be explored in the new setting? Perhaps even by including homosexual romances and exploring a theme where the player has to choose between being with somebody they love and sacrificing that love for the good of the colony, with every new frontier new challenges are faced but does the good of the colony come before those you love?

If the goal is to preserve not only the species but the culture(s) as well, and if the culture(s) value individual rights and personal liberty, then homosexuality shouldn't be considered selfish.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Off topic, but it boggles the mind that Destiny cost that much. They must've accounted for the hookers and blow brought in when they started writing the story.

 

So that's where the server budget went? There's a story in there somewhere. I just haven't found it. Maybe there's a secret mission you get from Eris that unlocks a one hour cut scene that has the entire plot line. Do you think there might be? Nah. At least Nathan Fillion is funny.

[KaiserShep]

So that's where the server budget went? There's a story in there somewhere. I just haven't found it. Maybe there's a secret mission you get from Eris that unlocks a one hour cut scene that has the entire plot line. Do you think there might be? Nah. At least Nathan Fillion is funny.

 

​Their icy fingers creep along the back of my mind, reaching out from the darkness! I can taste their screaming. 

 

~Eris Morn

 

But yeah, at least they finally made use of Nathan Fillion's voice and even played it off of Eris' grab bag of random ominousness. 

[Parachromis]

It's my personal opinion that romance should be eliminated and replaced with friendship. I do not condone gay relationships, just like I don't approve of a select few religions, or political beliefs even, but what happens behind closed doors is your business. I, nor many others on both sides of the fence, really don't want it forced upon me. For example, it would a huge turnoff for me personally (in game) to develop a (friendly) relationship with someone, only having it lead to a gay relationship forced upon me by the developers. Why couldn't we just be friends and be rewarded for that instead of the pinnacle of the relationship being a sexual encounter?

 

I do not judge people by their personal preferences, but I dislike agendas being forced upon me. I believe it to be more 'PC' and 'fair' to keep the sex out of it. I don't think any game developer has the resources to portray sexual relationships in the proper manner yet. It's great when it's great, but all hell breaks loose if it's not, which is most of the time. But friendship...friendship can bridge any gap. I really enjoyed ME:3's Citadel DLC generally speaking--all your friends getting together and having a great time regardless of gender, race, or creed.

 

TLDR; get your sexual jollies from your porn site of choice, but leave it out  of video games.

[TheButterflyEffect]

That's what bisexuality is for. Bend both ways, everyone wins.