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[Ryzaki]

Bishop. Depending on your definition of likable, anyway. He was certainly charismatic.
 

 

Oh man a Bishop or DS Atton like LI would be

 

I WANT. I WANT MORE THAN I THOUGHT POSSIBLE.

 

And now I want to replay KOTOR2

 

Thanks.

[nightscrawl]

Something interesting. An LI with a character like Servis from the Western Approach, really slimy, and seemingly untrustworthy.

 

I'm not dismissing this idea out of hand, but the person does have to have some sort of redeeming qualities that lead to an attraction. I get that you wrote "seemingly untrustworthy," but usually you don't find out that the person is indeed trustworthy until after getting to know them for a while. Which... I suppose is the whole point of the game romance in the first place. Right, never mind then.

 

I don't know though... I think a character like that might turn into a Zevran situation for me. I know that he's a deeper character and has a nice romance, but I can't get past the initial discomfort with his open flirting and come-ons, in addition to the various things he says to Wynne and Leliana, to pursue that path.

[kimgoold]

For m/m LI I would like someone witty and charming as Dorian, but who's experienced in relationships and knows what he wants. So far all gay characters were pretty inexperienced in whole "relationship" thing. Zevran, Fenris, Dorian - they all unsure about "love" and "relationship". Anders was the only one who had no problems admitting that he's falling for Hawke and wanted to be with him (but he still tried to talk you out of a relationship with him).

No one could be as charming.

[Kulyok]

I'm not dismissing this idea out of hand, but the person does have to have some sort of redeeming qualities that lead to an attraction. I get that you wrote "seemingly untrustworthy," but usually you don't find out that the person is indeed trustworthy until after getting to know them for a while. Which... I suppose is the whole point of the game romance in the first place. Right, never mind then.

 

Why? Why would you seriously need trustworthyness and redeeming qualities in the character who is built on NOT having these qualities in the first place?

 

Seriously, romance isn't always about uncovering good in a person, or building loyalties. It can be just about convenience, passionate sex and laughing at the rest of the world. For a while. and then the game ends, so there's really no difference if the guy leaves you for the greener pastures, as long as you get a dialogue option to be fun about it.

[TheRatPack55]

Something interesting. An LI with a character like Servis from the Western Approach, really slimy, and seemingly untrustworthy.

I'd actually be into that.

 

I have thought before that I'd have liked Blackwall as a LI if he wasn't the atoner and instead just a wanted criminal that uses the Inquisition as a way to stay in hiding and escape justice, then accidentally falls for the Inquisitor. No 'love reddems' arc, no woobifying, just a bad person in love, the Inquisitor could take it or leave it.

 

But I'm weird. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Qun00]

Something interesting. An LI with a character like Servis from the Western Approach, really slimy, and seemingly untrustworthy.

Zevran.

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Err... yeah, I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree here. I can't see any logic to this. Where's the arbitrary line between acceptable and unacceptable amounts of sex? Why can't she value herself just because you don't? Bodies aren't gross, enjoying them isn't gross, and it's just such a weird thing to pass judgment on. Like it's fine if you don't want to romance her, but dang.

Not everyone has to be a feminist, you know.

[Natureguy85]

I'd like the love interest to take initiative in the romance, make the move and express interest in the protagonist for a change. Then it's up to the protagonist to decide if he/she returns their feelings.

 

As for the love interest type, let's say dangerously in love? I'd like to see someone who's dominant, unapologetic, intelligent, knows and gets what they want. Their eyes are set on the main character. Crush the competition even if there's a little bloodshed.

 

Well Morrigan had ulterior motives, but what about Leliana? She will approach the Warden with her feelings and get upset that you didn't take the initiative if you return her feelings.

 

I don't know though... I think a character like that might turn into a Zevran situation for me. I know that he's a deeper character and has a nice romance, but I can't get past the initial discomfort with his open flirting and come-ons, in addition to the various things he says to Wynne and Leliana, to pursue that path.

 

I couldn't get past the fact that he was hired to kill me and had good reason to try again. I have to make up reasons to not kill him or at least send him away, such as my jerk Warden thinking he was "my kind of scum" or my elf wanting to have a fellow elf.

 

 

Edited the "elf" part to include joining party.

[vertigomez]

Not everyone has to be a feminist, you know.

LOL

I couldn't get past the fact that he was hired to kill me and had good reason to try again. I have to make up reasons to not kill him or at least send him away, such as my jerk Warden thinking he was "my kind of scum" or my elf wanting to spare a fellow elf.

It doesn't take much metagaming if you have the right background for it. Casteless dwarves are basically pressganged into the Carta from a young age, so they could appreciate Zevran's situation with the Crows. A Circle mage who's been under lock and key their whole life might likewise sympathize. And then there's just plain ol' mercy.

[Natureguy85]

It doesn't take much metagaming if you have the right background for it. Casteless dwarves are basically pressganged into the Carta from a young age, so they could appreciate Zevran's situation with the Crows. A Circle mage who's been under lock and key their whole life might likewise sympathize. And then there's just plain ol' mercy.

 

I get the Carta angle somewhat but does Zevran mention having someone back home to protect? That's how the Carta controls it's members. I don't see the comparison to the circle. As far as mercy, that has to do with sparing him but not taking him into the party. In fact none of those are reasons to let him join.

[vertigomez]

I get the Carta angle somewhat but does Zevran mention having someone back home to protect? That's how the Carta controls it's members. I don't see the comparison to the circle. As far as mercy, that has to do with sparing him but not taking him into the party. In fact none of those are reasons to let him join.

Sure it is. If you don't take him under your wing, the Crows are going to kill him for failing to kill you. In Darkspawn Chronicles (which is fairly noncanon but bear with me here) he's hiding out in the Alienage for exactly that reason. If he does join the party, Taliesen still comes for him and either attempts to wrest his loyalty from you or, failing that, tries to kill him.

The Crows control their members like any other gang. Fear, indoctrination, and killing your ass if you try to leave.

The reason the Warden is so safe is because it's considered suicidal to go after you - your reputation is that impressive. That's why Zevran accepted the contract. He was miserable with the Crows, miserable after Rinna, and he wanted to die. You can show him a better way.

[Natureguy85]

Once I let him live, he's not my problem. Taking him to protect him goes beyond mercy. Plus, he still might slit your throat while you sleep.

[vertigomez]

Once I let him live, he's not my problem. Taking him to protect him goes beyond mercy. Plus, he still might slit your throat while you sleep.

And that's your prerogative. But one could also take the pragmatic approach and say that you need all the help you can get to stop the Blight. There's not really a right or wrong way to RP it.

[riverbanks]

In fact none of those are reasons to let him join.

 

I just go with the simple prerogative that this assassin must know a lot more about Loghain's plans than he's letting on, but right there in the middle of nowhere (where more Crows might be lurking near) is not the right place to conduce a full interrogation, so I'm taking him to my camp. Just point at the huge scary qunari and the shady scary swamp witch over there as my one warning, should he get any ideas of trying something funny.

 

Then later of course it turns out he really doesn't know anything about Loghain so that was a bust, but by this time I'm already talking to him and he's actually amusing and does seem sincere in his desire to not kill me anymore and actually profit from having not killed me, so y'know, at this point I'm taking a gamble and trusting the guy, like I took a gamble with crazy Princess Stabbity over there, or the huge scary qunari and the shady scary witch. Other than Wynne, ole bud Alistair and my Dog, the rest of my company doesn't seem even slightly more or less trustworthy than Zevran, so might as well keep him around too.

[Natureguy85]

Then later of course it turns out he really doesn't know anything about Loghain so that was a bust, but by this time I'm already talking to him and he's actually amusing and does seem sincere in his desire to not kill me anymore and actually profit from having not killed me, so y'know, at this point I'm taking a gamble and trusting the guy, like I took a gamble with crazy Princess Stabbity over there, or the huge scary qunari and the shady scary witch. Other than Wynne, ole bud Alistair and my Dog, the rest of my company doesn't seem even slightly more or less trustworthy than Zevran, so might as well keep him around too.

 

As questionable as many of the group indeed are, only one tried to kill you. And when those that can turn on you do, you just kill them outright, do you not? No asking if they want to stick around after all? Maybe Sten does if he challenges you for leadership. I don't remember.

[riverbanks]

As questionable as many of the group indeed are, only one tried to kill you. And when those that can turn on you do, you just kill them outright, do you not? No asking if they want to stick around after all? Maybe Sten does if he challenges you for leadership. I don't remember.

 

Well no one's turned on me but Sten and Morrigan, so I can't quite answer that - for Sten, yes, I did let him stay, and for Morrigan, I told her to walk.  My character didn't feel killing or attempts of were necessary.

 

But I mean, everyone's character is different, I was just giving an example of how mine in particular rationalizes recruiting Zevran. I personally find it more worth it to recruit every possible companion (even those I may not like) and get the full picture of the game than to miss out on any story content, so I'd rather put more thinking into reasons to recruit someone rather than reasons not to.

[CuriousArtemis]

Uh, well, my warden recruited him because he was cute and charming, plus my warden was like an 18 year old naive kid eager to see the good in everyone lol

The one I have trouble rationalizing is Sten. He's a confessed murderer. I still don't have a reason to release him.

[Illyria]

Uh, well, my warden recruited him because he was cute and charming, plus my warden was like an 18 year old naive kid eager to see the good in everyone lol

The one I have trouble rationalizing is Sten. He's a confessed murderer. I still don't have a reason to release him.

 

Morrigan points out that he's a highly skilled warrior.

[riverbanks]

The one I have trouble rationalizing is Sten. He's a confessed murderer. I still don't have a reason to release him.

 

For me, it's because I don't believe punishment accomplishes anything, but atonement does. Even if Sten initially claims to not feel anything about what he did, he does admit to regretting the waste of lives later. So leaving him to rot in a cage and be killed by Darkspawn accomplishes nothing, not even for his victims, but letting him atone for his crime by fighting to defend thousands of other lives agains the darskpawn does, you know? There's purpose in learning from your most terrible mistakes and trying to become better than who you are.

 

It's the same reason I recruit Loghain, why I free Blackwall, why I either recruit or redirect prisoners in DAI to do something constructive rather than just sitting in a jail cell or beheading them for a momentary sense of revenge, etc. There's rarely a character I'll consider irredeemable, and when they're capable of admitting their blame and willing to work their butts off to earn even a tiny little measure of atonement, I'll always give them a chance.

[Natureguy85]

Well no one's turned on me but Sten and Morrigan, so I can't quite answer that - for Sten, yes, I did let him stay, and for Morrigan, I told her to walk.  My character didn't feel killing or attempts of were necessary.

 

But I mean, everyone's character is different, I was just giving an example of how mine in particular rationalizes recruiting Zevran. I personally find it more worth it to recruit every possible companion (even those I may not like) and get the full picture of the game than to miss out on any story content, so I'd rather put more thinking into reasons to recruit someone rather than reasons not to.

 

That's the real reason. You're just meta-gaming. That's totally fine, but I was talking about role-playing in the moment.

[loyallyroyal]

Something interesting. An LI with a character like Servis from the Western Approach, really slimy, and seemingly untrustworthy.

 

I LOVE to see him as a companion period. "I don't bargain, I plead!"

 

I get a very different vibe from Zevran, he was an assassin who admits he would get stupid and lucky. Servis is more slippery and clever, plus he isn't one for needless killing if you read his codices. Not to mention he is very funny.

 

Just gonna leave this here:

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[AFA]

A character like Anne Bonnie from Black Sails would be a great hetero romance. Brutal, cynical, foul-mouthed, kind of evil, but also loyal. Lose the pirate background, since Isabella already did it. Good counterpoint to an idealistic mage LI.

[Illyria]

I LOVE to see him as a companion period. "I don't bargain, I plead!"

 

I get a very different vibe from Zevran, he was an assassin who admits he would get stupid and lucky. Servis is more slippery and clever, plus he isn't one for needless killing if you read his codices. Not to mention he is very funny.

 

Just gonna leave this here:

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I'd honestly like to see his VA back as an LI.  His voice is 90% of why I loved his character.  Even if Servis doesn't return (since there's a high chance he'll be dead), his VA playing another untrustworthy Tevinter smuggler/mage?  Yes, please.

[riverbanks]

That's the real reason. You're just meta-gaming. That's totally fine, but I was talking about role-playing in the moment.

 

Certainly I am. But I'm already forced by the game to meta-think reasons to keep mandatory characters around that I wish I didn't have to, so why not also meta-think some roleplaying reasons to keep around those that I do want? If every companion was genuinely optional and I could have only those that actually make sense for my character to recruit (for instance - my Warden would never have taken Morrigan beyond the Lothering gates if the game didn't absolutely force me to), that'd be one thing; but as it is I might as well just take them all to get all the game's content, and figure out good roleplaying reason for that, that work with the context of my PC's decisions.

[stop_him]

Zevran.
 

Not really. Servis comes off more cowardly, and willing to give up his dignity to save his skin. Def. not a gambler either.

 

Zevran, like others have said, is different, fairly brazen in all things, and also redeemable. 

 

I'd perhaps like an LI who is either too slimy for redemption or will only continue the romance if you sink to his level. 

[GoldenGail3]

Not really. Servis comes off more cowardly, and willing to give up his dignity to save his skin. Def. not a gambler either.
 
Zevran, like others have said, is different, fairly brazen in all things, and also redeemable. 
 
I'd perhaps like an LI who is either too slimy for redemption or will only continue the romance if you sink to his level.

And Zevran tries to kill you.... Mutilply times. Yeah, I don't like Zevran to be honest. That backstabber stabbed me in the back... Nope, not my thing. In RL I would've killed him. And In my first playthroughs I did.