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[Donk]

I apparently have missed the show. What exactly are your arguments against him? We are biologically hardwired to be more sensitive to hurting women and female suffering. The majority of homeless are men, the vast majority of workplace deaths are male, men get sent off to war, etc. Neither men nor women want to see women get hurt. I am not sure what you could say to argue against this?

Did you know it's advised not to keep a male kangaroo as a pet in my country, because if there is a woman around who is menstruating, he will get violent from the smell and um.. You know the rest?

[Malleficae]

I'm all for it. Btw, I can give you recipe: make good male antagonist, switch voice and model - nice, you've got good female antagonist.

[Panda]

I apparently have missed the show. What exactly are your arguments against him? We are biologically hardwired to be more sensitive to hurting women and female suffering. The majority of homeless are men, the vast majority of workplace deaths are male, men get sent off to war, etc. Neither men nor women want to see women get hurt. I am not sure what you could say to argue against this?

 

Some older stuff.

 

I don't really know if that theory explains things that you claimed, since societal problems usually are quite dimensional. Not saying that society and gender inquality doesn't contribute to those issues though. Society still is somewhat old-fashioned. However I don't think problem with those are really lack of care towards men who suffer compared to women's suffering.

 

Then video games. Mostly criticism in video games towards violence against women is when it has been sexually colored. There rarely is criticism towards violence against woman when both genders are treated equally with it and there really should be none, that's setting women and female character back and has negative impact rather than positive.

[KainD]

My criteria for the villain is as follows;

 

They need to be someone who represents both an intellectual and physical threat.

 

They need to be someone who's motivations are understandable and logical, but never the less run counter to ours to a degree that no one wants to join them. 

 

If they have those qualities, I don't care what's between their legs.

 

That. is. impossible. 

[SpiritMuse]

Ironically it's usually the people calling for men and women to be treated exactly the same who complain.

You know, I often see people making claims like this, that "it's the same people that want X that complain when it leads to Y", and I always wonder how do they know that? Where does this information come from? Did someone check names to compare?

[KainD]

We are biologically hardwired to be more sensitive to hurting women and female suffering. 

 

BS. Brought up a particular way =/= hardwired. 

[KainD]

You know, I often see people making claims like this, that "it's the same people that want X that complain when it leads to Y", and I always wonder how do they know that? Where does this information come from? Did someone check names to compare?

 

Ikr? 

[Flog the Undying]

Will Tumblr get mad that we try to kill her?

 

Probably not, considering there was no uproar about, say, the antagonist of DAI Trespasser being female.

 

People yell about how annoying tumblr is far more than people from tumblr ever post any opinions remotely like those they are feared to have, oddly

[SnakeCode]

You know, I often see people making claims like this, that "it's the same people that want X that complain when it leads to Y", and I always wonder how do they know that? Where does this information come from? Did someone check names to compare?

 

I'm not going to call out people on this forum, if that is what you're getting at.

[mickey111]

BS. Brought up a particular way =/= hardwired. 

 

 

did you know that less than half of everyone born lived to a birth giving age only a couple hundred years ago? Used to be a lot less the further you go back in time. Try taking a journey through a time machine and explain from the coddled and vaccinated perspective why these less privledged people should allow women to join the army and they'll laugh you out of their dimension. We've got it good now, but you don't simply about face the instant that living conditions get good after thousands of years of hardship. Fact of the matter is that the ability to give birth just isn't as valuable as it once was, and this will eventually lead to more equitable treatment (I hope). sorry if you're in a hurry for this to happen, but it can't be rushed.

[KainD]

did you know that less than half of everyone born lived to a birth giving age only a couple hundred years ago? Used to be a lot less the further you go back in time. Try taking a journey through a time machine and explain from the coddled and vaccinated perspective why these less privledged people should allow women to join the army and they'll laugh you out of their dimension. We've got it good now, but you don't simply about face the instant that living conditions get good after thousands of years of hardship. Fact of the matter is that the ability to give birth just isn't as valuable as it once was, and this will eventually lead to more equitable treatment (I hope). sorry if you're in a hurry for this to happen, but it can't be rushed.

 

What I said was - attitude is not hardwired, it's a product of your enviroment and your personal development. Things and stances change depending on time and place, exactly how you described. 

The point that the other person was making was that - violence against women as opposed to men inherently gets a different psychological response. 

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

BS. Brought up a particular way =/= hardwired. 

Biological life on this planet has been around for approximately 3.5 billion years, hominds, a few million and modern ho/mo sapiens, between 200,000 to 100,000 years ago. Culture as we recognise it today has only been around for about 50,000 years.Considering the vast span of geological time that is hardly comprehensible to apes such as us who are lucky to live 80 years and the enormous degree of selection pressures exerted upon species upon species, including our hominid ancestors and early ho/mo sapiens, there are almost certainly hardwired psychological features of human behaviour and one of those is to protect females. For most mammalian species, the female is the limiting factor in reproduction, which means that in absolute terms of survival and propagation of the species, the female has greater viability than the male. A single male can inseminate hundreds of females whilst a single female is limited to 9 month pregnancy cycles after which she lactates and is bound to an infant for several years at the very least. We thus evolved recognising that women are more vulnerable than men (they are weaker, more sensitive to violence and danger, risk averse, etc.) and most importantly they are the limiting factor in reproduction. We have always taken women's safety more seriously than men's safety. This adaptive trait still lingers in us today and in the things we do, such as video games with violence against women. If you think this psychological trait merely sprang up from the aether and is random rather than the product of millions of years of natural selection and sex specific selection pressures, I have the Brooklyn Bridge to sell you for only 10 USD. Just send me an e-mail.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Did you know it's advised not to keep a male kangaroo as a pet in my country, because if there is a woman around who is menstruating, he will get violent from the smell and um.. You know the rest?

They can kick rather violently, I am told.

[KainD]

Biological life on this planet has been around for approximately 3.5 billion years, hominds, a few million and modern ho/mo sapiens, between 200,000 to 100,000 years ago. Culture as we recognise it today has only been around for about 50,000 years.Considering the vast span of geological time that is hardly comprehensible to apes such as us who are lucky to live 80 years and the enormous degree of selection pressures exerted upon species upon species, including our hominid ancestors and early ho/mo sapiens, there are almost certainly hardwired psychological features of human behaviour and one of those is to protect females. For most mammalian species, the female is the limiting factor in reproduction, which means that in absolute terms of survival and propagation of the species, the female has greater viability than the male. A single male can inseminate hundreds of females whilst a single female is limited to 9 month pregnancy cycles after which she lactates and is bound to an infant for several years at the very least. We thus evolved recognising that women are more vulnerable than men (they are weaker, more sensitive to violence and danger, risk averse, etc.) and most importantly they are the limiting factor in reproduction. We have always taken women's safety more seriously than men's safety. This adaptive trait still lingers in us today and in the things we do, such as video games with violence against women. If you think this psychological trait merely sprang up from the aether and is random rather than the product of millions of years of natural selection and sex specific selection pressures, I have the Brooklyn Bridge to sell you for only 10 USD. Just send me an e-mail.

 

Don't say us, because that is not true. I don't have an instinct to reproduce, and I do not see females as more vulnurable than males and I do not have a varied psychological response to violence depending on the gender that it was addressed to. 

 

I get how we got here, but now developed people decide things for themselves when it comes to aspects of life and what they want, how they treat things, being able to override the most basic instincts with ideas and logic. 

[TheChosenOne]

BSN: Can she be romanced?  

 

[DuskWanderer]

I would like a villain that is complex and dynamic. I don't care if it's a man or a woman. I just hope the villain is original. 

[Felya87]

I have little interest in the sex of the villain. I'd be just happy their motivations to be against the protagonist is not "he/she went crazy or was controlled by someone". The "crazy" formula is becaming, quite frankly, a little stale.

[PlatonicWaffles]

A female main antagonist would be neat. I'm indifferent but it'd be nice, as long as her gender is just a thing she happens to be.

[Cirvante]

As long as it is a well-written and complex antagonist, I don't care whether it's a man or a woman.

 

Although in the case of a female antagonist, I'd prefer it if they could move away from the 'stronk independant womyn' trope. Instead make her more feminine, but also cunning, devious and malicious. A master manipulator, who will use anyone and anything to her advantage. That's much more scary in my opinion and could make for a great character, if done right.

[9TailsFox]

BSN: Can she be romanced?  

 

Yes if you are Imperial agent.

[Helios969]

As long as that female antagonist is a strange and terrifying alien species (as opposed to hot alien space babe) I'm game.

[Donk]

I have little interest in the sex of the villain. I'd be just happy their motivations to be against the protagonist is not "he/she went crazy or was controlled by someone". The "crazy" formula is becaming, quite frankly, a little stale.

 

It would be great to see one that is cold, calculating and completely "in control", knows what she is doing.

[Felya87]

It would be great to see one that is cold, calculating and completely "in control", knows what she is doing.

Someone like Aria would be interesting.

[Donk]

Someone like Aria would be interesting.

 

Hell yes! Although.. I kinda want somebody like that as a companion. And romance option.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Don't say us, because that is not true. I don't have an instinct to reproduce, and I do not see females as more vulnurable than males and I do not have a varied psychological response to violence depending on the gender that it was addressed to. 

 

I get how we got here, but now developed people decide things for themselves when it comes to aspects of life and what they want, how they treat things, being able to override the most basic instincts with ideas and logic. 

One can certainly decondition oneself. That is true but that is more a question of degrees than absolutes. regarding the other point, you might well defend yourself with violence against a woman without personally regarding it as being different but if you live in say, the USA, other people will view it differently and you could get into some very serious trouble. Most people are not logical or rational and most of the causes of our behaviour are unknown to us and inaccessible to us on a conscious level. Women dress and act very differently when they are ovulating. Most are not even slightly aware of it and the differences in behaviour are not born of reason and logic but of unconscious reproductive drives. One example of many. You give human beings far too much credit.