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Can I romance her?

There is nothing better then to romance woman that wants to kill you xD



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They should be more concerned with writing a great antagonist than with the gender of the antagonist. The last solid antagonist they wrote was the Arishok in DA2, but Corypheus was a mess, Meredith was just driven crazy by a rock, the Collectors were boring and lacking any kind of personality, and Kai Leng and TIM were absolute jokes. They need to look at Saren, Loghain and the Arishok as their successes and the rest of their recent antagonists as failures.

 

They need to stop using "crazy" as a motive.

 

Look at Meredith.  They had a perfect opportunity to use Meredith as an example of "what is the cost of security."  In a post 9/11 world, just as wiretapping leaks were being broken, they had a glorious opportunity to prop her up as an example of what can happen when people value security at all costs.

 

Then they chickened out in Act 3 and made it all because a rock made her crazy.  An absolute waste.

 

The reason the Arishok was my favorite antagonist (can't even really call him a villain) is that I could easily empathize why he was doing what he was doing.  I recognized that his values drove him to his end, and I also understood that what he needed was in opposition of what I needed.  Circumstance and moral codes brought us to a war with one another that neither wanted, but neither could back down from.  That's brilliant storytelling.


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Your opinion...I'm a fan of lovecraftian works. I enjoy incomprehensible foes. And I agree....Sovereign hyped me up too much, and I enjoyed Harbinger...3 ruined it all. I wanted Harbinger and I got freaking Kai Leng. 

 

Actually, what you got was the Illusive Man. Kai Leng wasn't important insofar that he was just a pawn of TIM who seemingly had no real motivations of his own. Harbinger was more of the equivalent of a force of nature in the conflict. 


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There is nothing better then to romance woman that wants to kill you xD


Half of the LI in BioWare's games wanted to kill the PC at some point, so its not a hindrance.
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Kai Leng was a joke. He was some Cerberus punk with a sword that cried like a baby on Thessia. Cover me while I recharge.

 

You ran on the Citadel. You ran on Thessia

SHUTUP.


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Half of the LI in BioWare's games wanted to kill the PC at some point, so its not a hindrance.

True, though I think this kind of woman will still want to kill you and as I said there is nothing better and most charming then being in love with woman that is looking to cut your head 24/7h (just imagine sex you two are going to have -giggity-).

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Kai Leng was a joke. He was some Cerberus punk with a sword that cried like a baby on Thessia. Cover me while I recharge.

 

You ran on the Citadel. You ran on Thessia

SHUTUP.

Only two things that Kai Leng had good and cool on him was:

1) His face model

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2) His VA aka Troy Baker


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I totally think we should have a female antagonist... and if you don't think they can be totally awesome then think about  Cersei Baratheon or Callisto (before turned good)  if you want more Sci Fi then the Borg Queen... the Alien queen should have had a bigger part and died way to easily but then she was up against Ripley ;)

or Number Six (BSG as if I had to tell you) before she went soft... and that's just the easy ones to remember :P


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Why not just stick to the player choice model. Threads on this forum are becoming more and more retarded. Bioware do this for political correctness, Bioware do that because it's politically correct. It's a game. Let them develop a game their target audience will enjoy rather than attempting to make a game that panders to every group's need. That was the single biggest problem with Inquisition. It lacked any identity because it attempted to be all things for all people and that's very last thing this new game needs to be. Bioware need to get back to their roots of telling good stories, rather than worrying about upsetting minority groups.



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Why not just stick to the player choice model. Threads on this forum are becoming more and more retarded. Bioware do this for political correctness, Bioware do that because it's politically correct. It's a game. Let them develop a game their target audience will enjoy rather than attempting to make a game that panders to every group's need. That was the single biggest problem with Inquisition. It lacked any identity because it attempted to be all things for all people and that's very last thing this new game needs to be. Bioware need to get back to their roots of telling good stories, rather than worrying about upsetting minority groups.

I think forums are meant as giving a little suggestion and OP never said "BW do it or I will bucher your family if you don't do it!" OP gave it as a little suggestion because as OP said "Why not?". No one in this thread complained about anything or demanded anything except for BW to actually make good villain regardless of gender though it would be nice and refreshing if that villain was woman,though again this is just a suggestion and not demand! Learn difference between those two please.


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Why not? Shake things up a bit, make a female alien be the leader of some space raiders cult.



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Why not just stick to the player choice model. Threads on this forum are becoming more and more retarded. Bioware do this for political correctness, Bioware do that because it's politically correct. It's a game. Let them develop a game their target audience will enjoy rather than attempting to make a game that panders to every group's need. That was the single biggest problem with Inquisition. It lacked any identity because it attempted to be all things for all people and that's very last thing this new game needs to be. Bioware need to get back to their roots of telling good stories, rather than worrying about upsetting minority groups.

I'm guessing you didn't read a single post on this thread, the OP actually appears to be anti-feminism so this entire response makes no sense what so ever.


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ME had some creepy rapey faces.

 

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And agre with the people that prefer chraracter over gender. If he/she/it? is good, then I'm good too.


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I'm guessing you didn't read a single post on this thread, the OP actually appears to be anti-feminism so this entire response makes no sense what so ever.

^True.Plus how is demanding woman to be bad guy feminist movement lol Feminazis as OP calls them, tend to put just men in bad light but never woman and demanding woman that is going to be villain that players will most likely hate and want to kill is far from feminist so I'm guessing that saladinboob doesn't know how to read so he didn't read anything OP said before commenting.



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Why not just stick to the player choice model. Threads on this forum are becoming more and more retarded. Bioware do this for political correctness, Bioware do that because it's politically correct. It's a game. Let them develop a game their target audience will enjoy rather than attempting to make a game that panders to every group's need. That was the single biggest problem with Inquisition. It lacked any identity because it attempted to be all things for all people and that's very last thing this new game needs to be. Bioware need to get back to their roots of telling good stories, rather than worrying about upsetting minority groups.

I really didn't want to get drawn into the negative stuff but I can't resist... which minority groups are you talking about? And I have to agree with one of the other posters this is just a discussion about shaking things up a bit and I don't think anyone is asking BW not to make certain that ME:A has an outstanding story line



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Sure thing. I love female vilians. Look at the one the OP put in his topic. I don't know who she is but I love her already just because there's so much sass just in that little gif lol



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Sure thing. I love female vilians. Look at the one the OP put in his topic. I don't know who she is but I love her already just because there's so much sass just in that little gif lol

I looked her up just cause that gif makes her look awesome, lol!


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Sure thing. I love female vilians. Look at the one the OP put in his topic. I don't know who she is but I love her already just because there's so much sass just in that little gif lol

I looked her up just cause that gif makes her look awesome, lol!

Faora is awesome and her actress Antje Traue is stunning  :wub:


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I thought the N7 guy in the ME:Andromeda trailer might have been the new villain. 



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What kind of antagonist would be best suited as female? If I posed this question to tumblr, would it be drowned in downvotes? I don't think being female made any difference to Merediths character honestly.



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I don't think being female made any difference to Merediths character honestly.

It didn't, but she was still a fairly complex villian in that regard if you ask me, even with the magic of red lyrium. 

 

One idea I had was simple; an Asari commander on your side being a major or secondary antagonist. Perhaps ordering you to do things ethically inappropriate for the greater good...and siding against her causes her to become the bad guy.



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I thought the N7 guy in the ME:Andromeda trailer might have been the new villain. 

I always thought that was who we are supposed to be, but then again anything is possible and it would be interesting actually if this time around N7 was enemy.

I don't think being female made any difference to Merediths character honestly.

Meredith was awesome character.....until they ruined her in end and made joke out of her plus as OP mentioned in one of their posts they even make bigger joke out of her to add in DA:I with "Now kids play dare 'who dares to poke Meredith with stick'"


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I would be all for a female antagonist but Does it really matter what gender As long as he or she is a good one?


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I would be all for a female antagonist but Does it really matter what gender As long as he or she is a good one?

Good antagonist of course is what matters....but lets be honest as men good antagonist with bewbs is even bigger plus xD


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I don't think being female made any difference to Merediths character honestly.

Meredith's arc started interesting, but it derailed completely in act 3. What started as a pretty intense and interesting fight for her ideals ended in the cliché villain gone mad formula. But yeah, definitely she could have been replaced by some random dude templar and the history would not change much beside the pronouns.

 

But if we were talking about a sassy and provocative villian, I doubt it would work well if the character was a Male. Unless he was gay, wich would make a really fun and innovative villain if done right. But sadly, I don't think gamers are ready for that, even if it's a Bioware game.


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Hard to think of any antagonists best suited to female apart from obvious ones like the alien queen mother from the movies. 

 

Back in the 1960s the original series of star trek ended it's third season wit ha female antagonist, but this is on the basis of certain jobs being forbidden to women, and I don't see any developer, least of all Bioware doing a story like that in this era.