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#126
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The attack on Haven and the immediate aftermath was by far the best part of the game.

 

Playing COTJ followed up by Haven does mark the highpoint of the game's story and is a sweet emotional rollercoaster. I think the game fizzles out after that somewhat because Corypheous never manages to really do any damage to our heroes afterwards. After Haven the Inquisitor pretty much destroys all opposition with almost insulting ease.


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I'm guessing we're talking about the Holodommor here? Or are we talking about mass starvation related to WW2?


 

 

Yes. Hitler wanted to depopulate by around 30 million. came close to it too. as I said before, the way everyone migrates means many casualties are not registered and heaps of people end up listed as missing. All anyone can do is estimate. 



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I immediately thought of Furiosa from Mad Max. I know she wasn't the antagonist, but this type of character would be awesome!

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If we are talking about females in ME I would also like character similar to Elika from Prince of persia (2008). 



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an intellectual threat? as in, writing a mean review about the player character's latest monograph?

 

That would sure scare the crap out of me. :)

 

I completely disagree. You haven't even given reasons as to why they're poorly written. These are villains that are roundly heralded so you'll have to have more than "they're not well written" to make any sort of argument.

 

Well, in the case of Saren, he starts out pretty much as a cartoon villain ("AAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!! This human must be . . . eliminated."). Then all of the sudden, when it's revealed that he's indoctrinated, we're now expected to feel bad for him because . . . why? The emotional arc of the character makes no sense at all. As for Loghain, he was fine I guess, although I admit that because I'm not terribly invested in Dragon Age, I haven't thought about the character as much. I played about 10 minutes of Dragon Age II, so I don't know a darn thing about the Arishok.

 

I cannot think of a single female villain I would particularly call well written.

 

Making an effective villain often depends on making use of very primal emotions and concepts such as fear and power. These are not things that can be politically enforced. Although that kind of reasoning is probably above the heads of people whose brains shut down at immediately speeds whenever the issue of 'equality' arises.

 

If a villain is intended to be intimidating, it's probably best to stick with a man.

 

Seriously? Not one in the entire history of literature, film, theater, TV, games, etc.? Ever? Sticking with cinema for a bit, how about Norma Desmond from Sunset Boulevard, Phyllis Dietrichson from Double Indemnity, Lady Kaede from Ran, Nurse Ratched from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, etc.? I could go on for a while here.


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Yes. Hitler wanted to depopulate by around 30 million. came close to it too. as I said before, the way everyone migrates means many casualties are not registered and heaps of people end up listed as missing. All anyone can do is estimate.


Holodommor was Stalin, as part of his rapid industrialization programs. But yes, the casualties are all over the map.

Playing COTJ followed up by Haven does mark the highpoint of the game's story and is a sweet emotional rollercoaster. I think the game fizzles out after that somewhat because Corypheous never manages to really do any damage to our heroes afterwards. After Haven the Inquisitor pretty much destroys all opposition with almost insulting ease.


We should have lost at least once post-Haven. And it should have been a solid victory for Cory, not the pyrrhic one he got at Haven.
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Well, if you want both worlds, then get a Castrato

 

Castrato: type of classical male singing voice equivalent to that of a soprano, mezzo-soprano, or contralto.

 

See? You get an effeminate male guy that can sing and also be a bad ass male acting on revenge for losing his balls.

 

Well, it's a suggestion!



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Anything but a repeat of the Collectors and the nonsensical schoolyard bullying of Harbinger, which required one of the dumbest pieces of railroading from the ME trilogy to give them a "victory" (the Normandy invasion).  I'll take an indoctrinated Cerberus and Corypheus' modest victories and unique motives over that garbage any day of the week. 

 

Female antagonist? Absolutely, though who knows what male and female will look like with Andromeda's aliens. 


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Most likely because in my opinion Bioware's representation of most women is positively insulting. They're slaves to protagonist, idiotic, unmotivated, incompetent and their only avenue of expression is mass slaughter. They do not even have the brains to dress appropriately for the climate and would die of hyphotermia within hours. There are some exceptions like Flemeth, Morrigan, Cassandra etc...

 

I don't think that's a particularly fair characterization of women in BioWare games.

You say they're "slaves to the protagnoist". But they're no more enslaved than are the male members of your group. Everyone you recruit -- man, woman, robot or beast -- follows you around like a doting puppy, hanging on your every noble/snarky/mean-spirited remark. And of course your protagonist can be female, too.

You say they're "idiotic, unmotivated and incompetent", but I can think of many who aren't. Liara, for instance, is a veritable child by Asari standards, and yet when we meet her she's a qualified archaeologist, and she ultimately assumes the mantel of Shadow Broker, a position that requires the kind self-motivation and competence that would make many male characters in the ME universe cry salty tears of defeat. lol

You say "their only avenue of expression is mass slaughter". But, again, who doesn't solve problems with "slaughter" in a BioWare game? Combat is the core gameplay mechanic, so naturally most stories are resolved by introducing the business end of a sword or shotgun to the face of one's adversary. 

You say "they don't even have the brains to dress appropriately for their environment", and that's sometimes true, I grant you. But sexualizing both male and female characters will never completely go away. Games are entertainment, after all; people like to be physically attracted to their potential love interests. And a man going shirtless more often than he ought, or a woman wearing a skin-tight outfit, doesn't instantly obliterate his or her value and complexity as a character. 
 


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Anything but a repeat of the Collectors and the nonsensical schoolyard bullying of Harbinger, which required one of the dumbest pieces of railroading from the ME trilogy to give them a "victory" (the Normandy invasion).  I'll take an indoctrinated Cerberus and Corypheus' modest victories and unique motives over that garbage any day of the week. 

 

Female antagonist? Absolutely, though who knows what male and female will look like with Andromeda's aliens. 

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Well, we could encounter a matriarchal based species where the females are very large, intelligent and aggressive, while the males are small little runts, good only for insemination. Say, a female Battle Commander goes rogue and takes her battalion and navy support units with her on a "Kill the Humans spree".



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Well, we could encounter a matriarchal based species where the females are very large, intelligent and aggressive, while the males are small little runts, good only for insemination. Say, a female Battle Commander goes rogue and takes her battalion and navy support units with her on a "Kill the Humans spree".

 

Sure, but what makes them female? What if their females look and sound like Killer Croc, aside from their reproductive capabilities?

 

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Female antagonist: mysterious, intelligent, perverse with added sex appeal (options ok? Not like she has to have all of those) You can't just copy and paste traits from male antagonist, if you do that, you failed at making female antagonist. 



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I would be all for a female antagonist but Does it really matter what gender As long as he or she is a good one?

same here if it's a good interesting story then it dosen't matter to me who or what the villain is. Although it may make a nice change having the villain be female this time given the majority of villains in the DA and ME series have been male so far.



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I thought Calpernia was cool

 

But Coryphea probably wouldn't work as a concept. Egomania is a very macho thing.



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Well, we could encounter a matriarchal based species where the females are very large, intelligent and aggressive, while the males are small little runts, good only for insemination. Say, a female Battle Commander goes rogue and takes her battalion and navy support units with her on a "Kill the Humans spree".

 

So, men with boobs? It doesn't align at all with expectations of male and female, which I don't think that is what OP had in mind. If you're going to do it alien like that, might as well go extreme and give a third arm and eyes on the back of their heads too.



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It is a shame that Corypheus turned out to be a weak villain, because he was both interesting and intimidating in the Legacy DLC. I think he had potential, but it was squandered with the way he was written in DA:I.


Bioware was trying to make the Elder One seem like a Mystery. But it was friggin obvious who that shadowy figure was. Cory would have made a better Second in command. I wanted something more intimidating as the Elder One.

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Bioware was trying to make the Elder One seem like a Mystery. But it was friggin obvious who that shadowy figure was. Cory would have made a better Second in command. I wanted something more intimidating as the Elder One.

 

 

Like the literal embodiment of fear for all of Thedas? That demon could have been the perfect puppet master behind Cory's plans to pierce the Veil, but no. Barely a few lines in the Fade mission and a lousy fight and forced sacrifice.



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Sure, but what makes them female? What if their females look and sound like Killer Croc, aside from their reproductive capabilities?

 

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Yep... that's the one... LOL



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 Egomania is a very macho thing.

 

I'd like to introduce you to my sister, dohoho...

 

I'm mostly kidding, but what I'd NOT like to see is another semi-sultry dragon for the male big bad. Not because they're inherently bad characters, but just because it's a bit overdone. I'd just as soon not see gender be a big deal in combat when it comes to the genetically enhanced, powered suit space future with aliens and breaking stuff with our minds, so I don't see why a Vasir who sticks around a bit longer and isn't a hitter for the piece's villain would be hard to deal with.

 

Regarding Croc and being a pretty lady: male doesn't always have to be the default. I can't say I'd be particularly salty if I couldn't figure out gender at a glance. I can't even reliably do it with cats, and they evolved on our planet! Just because it doesn't look like a human lady doesn't mean it's not a lady thing.



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I thought Calpernia was cool

 

But Coryphea probably wouldn't work as a concept. Egomania is a very macho thing.

Ego is unisex. Neither sex has dominion over it.


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A female antagonist like Faora could work well in Mass Effect. She could even be a super-powered Kryptonian-esque being, impervious to all standard weaponry, and the only way to defeat her is by recruiting a Mordin-like genius (or being a genius yourself) and researching ancient Remnant technology to find a way to circumvent her natural defences.

Perhaps she is (or believes she is) the last surviving member of her species -- a species that has a distant and mysterious connection with humanity, hence her human appearance. And perhaps for this reason the unexpected arrival of the human Pathfinder in the Andromeda galaxy captures her attention and she becomes obsessed with him. Maybe she believes that his DNA holds the key to restoring her extinct (or somehow imprisoned?) race.

That does make the hero a "special snowflake" again ... but not in a good way this time. It doesn't grant him any special powers or advantages. It just makes him the target of an incredibly dangerous woman. And perhaps the aliens of the Andromeda galaxy instantly fear and hate you and all humans in your party because they assume you're related to villain, who has shown herself to be a heartless tyrant.

Heeeey :wub: I loved this plot. And It would be a complete 360 from the original trilogy. Maybe they could make the remnants like this. I would really enjoy being hunted.

 

@WildOrchid Point taken ;)  But I'm stealing that Sister Eunice gif if you don't mind :wub:



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Give me someone like this. I know I keep saying I don't want MGS' level of weirdness in my ME... but give me an antagonist like The Boss and I will love Bioware forever. (She's my favorite female character in any video game I've ever played. Strong, smart, not black or white... a deeply layered character.)

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So long as she doesn't have sex with people to kill them, use her boobs to dominate the galaxy, dress in a ridiculously sexual way that no man would ever dress, so long as the camera doesn't spend 50% of its time looking at her butt and the other 50% of its time looking at her cleavage, so long as she has realistic motivations that don't revolve around the fact that she's a woman, and so long as taking her down doesn't involve seducing her, then sure.

 

I'm all for a female antagonist!


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She was the best in this AHS season. :wub:



@Inquisitor_Jonah, replying to baby puncher is a waste of time. The fact that he couldn't think of a female villain shows how little stuff he actually saw. Or maybe he thinks women can't be good villains. :rolleyes:


Oh yes. She got me into nuns :lol:

Also.. Marry me?
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Ego is unisex. Neither sex has dominion over it.

 

Men are more likely to be diagnosed with NPD though, more egocentric in general too.



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Like the literal embodiment of fear for all of Thedas? That demon could have been the perfect puppet master behind Cory's plans to pierce the Veil, but no. Barely a few lines in the Fade mission and a lousy fight and forced sacrifice.


I was of the belief that The Elder One was imprisoned in the Black City and manipulated the Magisters to release him posing as Dumat. Would have been pretty sweet since Cory said it was already black. So it being a prison for some other worldly horror would have been fantastic.
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