Totally off topic but I don't think Cersei is supposed to be a villain, at least not in the books. No more than anyone else is anyway.
I'm rooting for the White Walkers (The Others as they are called in the books) to win. All of this pointless bickering, political scheming, and countless backstabbing is getting old; you humans are all stupid!
At least the Ice Necromancers are up front about wanting to kill everyone. 
Totally off topic but I don't think Cersei is supposed to be a villain, at least not in the books. No more than anyone else is anyway.
yes, the most powerful people often are villains. Just like real life. Tyrion made some remark regarding that when little finger tried convincing him that Daenarys got into power without acting like an absolute devil.
True. But women can still fight regardless of what some narrow minded git thinks women "should" be. Anybody can do anything just so long as they have the skill. Fighting requires a combination of strength, speed, agility and co-ordination, balance and a number of other things. It's like saying men can't play netball or do ballet. If you're good at it you can do it.
So in relation to this topic -- a female antagonist is possible, even if she's a brute force. She doesn't have to be the cunning manipulative b*tch like has been mentioned, Cersei Lannister.
But of course, say it happens.. The "Anti SJW agenda" brigade will be here in full force. Whinging. As usual.
I was one of what's probably millions of people who as a boy were told to never hit girls. It's not a thing I can just turn off and on whenever it's convenient, it's drilled into my personality.
I was one of what's probably millions of people who as a boy were told to never hit girls. It's not a thing I can just turn off and on whenever it's convenient, it's drilled into my personality.
The no hitting thing is usually meant as "don't beat up women for no reason". So if your life was in danger you wouldn't defend yourself against a woman?
yes, the most powerful people often are villains. Just like real life. Tyrion made some remark regarding that when little finger tried convincing him that Daenarys got into power without acting like an absolute devil.
I was one of what's probably millions of people who as a boy were told to never hit girls. It's not a thing I can just turn off and on whenever it's convenient, it's drilled into my personality.
The no hitting thing is usually meant as "don't beat up women for no reason". So if your life was in danger you wouldn't defend yourself against a woman?
the point you both missed is that story tellers were probably told the same thing I was, explaining the relatively lower amount of female fighters in fiction
the point you both missed is that story tellers were probably told the same thing I was, explaining the relatively lower amount of female fighters in fiction
This is supposed to be a thing. Return of the Jedi had three (I think) female rebel fighter pilots recorded for the space battle but they were cut allegedly after someone raised concerns about implying that women were dying screaming and on fire.
I agree with that, but Bioware already showed women fighting and dying in combat. There's plenty of female enemies ingame, why not make one of them the main villain then?
I agree with that, but Bioware already showed women fighting and dying in combat. There's plenty of female enemies ingame, why not make one of them the main villain then?
I don't have a problem with a woman being the main antagonist
This is supposed to be a thing. Return of the Jedi had three (I think) female rebel fighter pilots recorded for the space battle but they were cut allegedly after someone raised concerns about implying that women were dying screaming and on fire.
That was one of the lamest things i've ever read when I found this info on the webs. Ugh. People die in fights, be it a man or woman.
That was one of the lamest things i've ever read when I found this info on the webs. Ugh. People die in fights, be it a man or woman.
I find it insulting. It's all about how weak women and how they should be defended, how they are these passive characters in video games being beat up without having strenght to fight and how people are trying to avoid this by not having women in the games at all. Ugh.
I find it insulting. It's all about how weak women and how they should be defended, how they are these passive characters in video games being beat up without having strenght to fight and how people are trying to avoid this by not having women in the games at all. Ugh.
you know contraception is a relatively new invention yet before modern medicne people used to drop like flies. So in a time before these things, women had lots of babies, and yet people were dying at such a rate that the population remained flat something like 10/12 people never lived a full life and died young. Telling you this because maybe it will help put into perspective how people have lived for thousands upon thousands of years in living conditions that today are really, really hard to even fathom but I believe in those bad old days that it was hard enough to sustain life even without putting women into combat situations. Living is pretty easy now though, but I think we're still carried along by inertia in the old mentalities.
I can't think of many games that featured a woman as the primary antagonist... There are a few where the final enemy is a demon/spirit who has possessed a female body/person (sometimes the player character, so if the player is female the final boss is technically female as well) like Diablo 3 and Fire Emblem Awakening, but the evil entity itself is rarely female.
A few that do come to mind are Portal, Portal 2 (at the beginning at least), Child of Light, Skullgirls, Bioshock 2, the original Jack and Daxter (the joint antagonists were brother and sister), and Zone of the Enders.
And of course Kreia from Knights of the old republic 2, who was a fantastic antagonist.
Like other people have said though, I'm more concerned with simply having a good antagonist than what gender they are. Biowares antagonists haven't been all that strong lately, with Mass Effect 2 & 3 having particularly weak ones, Dragon Age 2 slapping the "driven insane" backstory onto anyone and everyone, and Coryphyfish being one of the lamest things about the otherwise solid DA:I.
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This would be good. But I would like for her to be the obvious villain/antagonist from the get-go. We'll know it, companions and crew will know it, organizations etc. will know it. She'll know it herself.
I loved Flemeth, Meredith and Kreia to death but two of them were not adversaries from the start and one of them has been a red herring. Benezia didn't get to live up to the promise.
yes, the most powerful people often are villains. Just like real life. Tyrion made some remark regarding that when little finger tried convincing him that Daenarys got into power without acting like an absolute devil.
I was one of what's probably millions of people who as a boy were told to never hit girls. It's not a thing I can just turn off and on whenever it's convenient, it's drilled into my personality.
We just need Bruno and you forget all the teaching's of not to hit girls.
-Benezia would have been good if what she did was her own choice,not Saren doing "rapey-rapey" brainwashing on her and making her turn against everyone she loves,so lets blame Saren and that is what ruined Benezia.
-Meridith with whole lyrium deal in act 3......again has redeeming excuse,because even though she held mages in cage strictly,reason why she became bloodthirsty maniac that saw blood magic everywhere is all effect of lyrium,so blame it on lyrium for her being raging maniac in end and that "lyrium" deal is what ruined Meridith as serious villain and made her into joke.(If anything lyrium was real antagonist of DA2 lol)
-Flemeth,BW ruined her and Morrigan could be one,even though I doubt they will pull out that card but then again anything can happen by DA4.
-I wonder does Archdemon counts as female villain in here?I mean we all know male dragons are well small size compared to female dragons and considering size of Archdemon it means it was she lol So in that case I guess BW had female main antagonist of story xD(though I still know what OP more meant they want....but still Archdemon counts )
-Benezia would have been good if what she did was her own choice,not Saren doing "rapey-rapey" brainwashing on her and making her turn against everyone she loves,so lets blame Saren and that is what ruined Benezia.
-Meridith with whole lyrium deal in act 3......again has redeeming excuse,because even though she held mages in cage strictly,reason why she became bloodthirsty maniac that saw blood magic everywhere is all effect of lyrium,so blame it on lyrium for her being raging maniac in end and that "lyrium" deal is what ruined Meridith as serious villain and made her into joke.(If anything lyrium was real antagonist of DA2 lol)
-Flemeth,BW ruined her and Morrigan could be one,even though I doubt they will pull out that card but then again anything can happen by DA4.
-I wonder does Archdemon counts as female villain in here?I mean we all know male dragons are well small size compared to female dragons and considering size of Archdemon it means it was she lol So in that case I guess BW had female main antagonist of story xD(though I still know what OP more meant they want....but still Archdemon counts
Archdemons are male, since they are souls of old gods and old gods are male ^^ High Dragons in other hand are all female. Or so I have understood it ^^
Archdemons are male, since they are souls of old gods and old gods are male ^^ High Dragons in other hand are all female. Or so I have understood it ^^
Dragons were considered as old Tevinter gods as far as I remember(no one ever said which "wee wee" they had down there even they were calling it as it lol).So I assumed they are females because of codex stating that female dragons are big ones while male dragons are those small ones(compared to female dragons at least) in game.And Archdemon is huge which by codex it would mean it is she.
Dragons were considered as old Tevinter gods as far as I remember(no one ever said which "wee wee" they had down there even they were calling it as it lol).So I assumed they are females because of codex stating that female dragons are big ones while male dragons are those small ones(compared to female dragons at least) in game.And Archdemon is huge which by codex it would mean it is she.
Well old gods are refered as "he" in the codex though: "Whatever the truth of his history, Dumat was also the first of the imprisoned Old Gods.."
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you know contraception is a relatively new invention yet before modern medicne people used to drop like flies. So in a time before these things, women had lots of babies, and yet people were dying at such a rate that the population remained flat something like 10/12 people never lived a full life and died young. Telling you this because maybe it will help put into perspective how people have lived for thousands upon thousands of years in living conditions that today are really, really hard to even fathom but I believe in those bad old days that it was hard enough to sustain life even without putting women into combat situations. Living is pretty easy now though, but I think we're still carried along by inertia in the old mentalities.
Someone gets it...
The no hitting thing is usually meant as "don't beat up women for no reason". So if your life was in danger you wouldn't defend yourself against a woman?
The problem is...in a such a life threatening situation you could still get in trouble if you are a man defending yourself against a woman.
I find it insulting. It's all about how weak women and how they should be defended, how they are these passive characters in video games being beat up without having strenght to fight and how people are trying to avoid this by not having women in the games at all. Ugh.
We've been through this before, it has nothing to do with wanting to make women look weak, or telling the audience this. It's precisely because of the audience that we see so few female fighters and villains dying in popular media. Believe it or not, people (men and women) don't like watching women get hurt or killed, we've been conditioned this way from birth ('there's never an acceptable reason to hit a woman,' 'women and children first etc.') which is when women are hurt/killed in games, there's usually a big outcry, with people condemning said game. We've seen this with GTA V, God of War games, Hatred etc. Ironically it's usually the people calling for men and women to be treated exactly the same who complain.
Even if the society of people in game is an egalitarian one with equal numbers of men and women in every military role, ours isn't. In our society men are expendable, women aren't, nobody bat's an eye when men die in battle, so they make up most game's cannon fodder, it's expected. People DO care about women women being hurt or killed though, so when it happens it's going to be a somewhat prominent, named character, and it's going to be showcased as a tragedy, and something that should be avoided.
We've been through this before, it has nothing to do with wanting to make women look weak, or telling the audience this. It's precisely because of the audience that we see so few female fighters and villains dying in popular media. Believe it or not, people (men and women) don't like watching women get hurt or killed, we've been conditioned this way from birth ('there's never an acceptable reason to hit a woman,' 'women and children first etc.') which is when women are hurt/killed in games, there's usually a big outcry, with people condemning said game. We've seen this with GTA V, God of War games, Hatred etc. Ironically it's usually the people calling for men and women to be treated exactly the same who complain.
Even if the society of people in game is an egalitarian one with equal numbers of men and women in every military role, ours isn't. In our society men are expendable, women aren't, nobody bat's an eye when men die in battle, so they make up most game's cannon fodder, it's expected. People DO care about women women being hurt or killed though, so when it happens it's going to be a somewhat prominent, named character, and it's going to be showcased as a tragedy, and something that should be avoided.
We have been through this, which is why I don't see really point making any arguments, you will disregard them anyways ^^;
We have been through this, which is why I don't see really point making any arguments, you will disregard them anyways ^^;
I apparently have missed the show. What exactly are your arguments against him? We are biologically hardwired to be more sensitive to hurting women and female suffering. The majority of homeless are men, the vast majority of workplace deaths are male, men get sent off to war, etc. Neither men nor women want to see women get hurt. I am not sure what you could say to argue against this?
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