Okay, fine.
Let me elaborate.
I meant all of the majorearthThedas-shaking events.
The civil war of Orlais? The Qunari attack? Historically there have been various wars like the one between Orlais and Nevarra?
Though admittedly none of these actually came close to ending the world, but they were major and Thedas-shaking.
Yes, but nearly everything that the protagonists have had to deal with in these games has had magic as the root cause.
The blight, Circle of Magi being overrun with abominations, Zathrian's shenanigans... practically every plot point in Origins aside from Orzammar had magic to blame. (And if dwarves could use magic, then it would have been to blame in the Orzammar arch too, no doubt)
The red lyrium Idol and mages vs Templars and Corypheus in DA2
Corypheus and Solas in DA:I
Nearly all of the messes we need to mop up are due to magic.
Yes, but nearly everything that the protagonists have had to deal with in these games has had magic as the root cause.
The blight, Circle of Magi being overrun with abominations, Zathrian's shenanigans... practically every plot point in Origins aside from Orzammar had magic to blame. (And if dwarves could use magic, then it would have been to blame in the Orzammar arch too, no doubt)
The red lyrium Idol and mages vs Templars and Corypheus in DA2
Corypheus and Solas in DA:I
Nearly all of the messes we need to mop up are due to magic.
Well, get ready then, because if Sandal prophecy is right then magic will not just be a problem that you need to deal with, but an actual part of Thedas as a whole.
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Yes, but nearly everything that the protagonists have had to deal with in these games has had magic as the root cause.
The blight, Circle of Magi being overrun with abominations, Zathrian's shenanigans... practically every plot point in Origins aside from Orzammar had magic to blame. (And if dwarves could use magic, then it would have been to blame in the Orzammar arch too, no doubt)
The red lyrium Idol and mages vs Templars and Corypheus in DA2
Corypheus and Solas in DA:I
Nearly all of the messes we need to mop up are due to magic.
I wouldn't consider anything from Origins to be particularly Thedas-shaking barring the Blight. And the problems we as protagonists have to deal with aren't all the issues in Thedas, there's plenty of others that exist outside the purview of the protagonists. So if you're arguing that if magic was erased our protagonists would have less to do then that's probably true, but most of Thedas' problems would still be there.
Oh, I'm not saying there wouldn't be problems.
The gist of what I'm saying is that 'magic problems' has been used extensively as a source of conflict and plot devices in this series. Which is why OP shouldn't be surprised if the College does end up backfiring eventually.
We are going to Tevinter next game.
There will be magic problems undoubtedly.
Oh, I'm not saying there wouldn't be problems.
The gist of what I'm saying is that 'magic problems' has been used extensively as a source of conflict and plot devices in this series. Which is why OP shouldn't be surprised if the College does end up backfiring eventually.
We are going to Tevinter next game.
There will be magic problems undoubtedly.
What would your reaction be if it didn't backfire?
What would your reaction be if it didn't backfire?
I would be genuinely surprised.
Oh, I'm not saying there wouldn't be problems.
The gist of what I'm saying is that 'magic problems' has been used extensively as a source of conflict and plot devices in this series. Which is why OP shouldn't be surprised if the College does end up backfiring eventually.
We are going to Tevinter next game.
There will be magic problems undoubtedly.
Well, get ready then, because if Sandal prophecy is right then magic will not just be a problem that you need to deal with, but an actual part of Thedas as a whole.
I love Sandal.
<-------- That should be quite apparent.
That being said, (and I've just stated it in another thread) that if there is a way to not only keep the Veil from being destroyed, but to sever magic from Thedas completely as an ultimate end-of-series choice, I would take it.
If everyone becomes a mage or whatever, I would be a little disappointed. Mostly because I like playing as non-mages.
I think the direction the series is going in is roughly the same as the Tolkienesque model where magic is a waning force in the world
as such I would expect the magical elements to increasingly take on an antagonistic nature, we're already seeing that in the franchise, and I doubt that the ridiculous "mage freedom" option with Leliana will amount to anything over the other ending states
I think the direction the series is going in is roughly the same as the Tolkienesque model where magic is a waning force in the world
as such I would expect the magical elements to increasingly take on an antagonistic nature, we're already seeing that in the franchise, and I doubt that the ridiculous "mage freedom" option with Leliana will amount to anything over the other ending states
I sincerely doubt this but even if true what would happen to fantastical creatures? Would dragons and nugs disappear? And what of lyrium and the Titans? Or is it only magic?
Well nugs are only "fantastical" in the sense that they exist in the fantasy world, there's not much that isn't mundane about them.
Dragons, lyrium, titans, and so on though are all fair game
I think the direction the series is going in is roughly the same as the Tolkienesque model where magic is a waning force in the world
as such I would expect the magical elements to increasingly take on an antagonistic nature, we're already seeing that in the franchise, and I doubt that the ridiculous "mage freedom" option with Leliana will amount to anything over the other ending states
I seriously doubt that dragons would be coming back if that was the case, but they're on the rise. And we've now met a Titan, who didn't seem to be antagonistic either.
Well nugs are only "fantastical" in the sense that they exist in the fantasy world, there's not much that isn't mundane about them.
Dragons, lyrium, titans, and so on though are all fair game
I love Sandal.
<-------- That should be quite apparent.
That being said, (and I've just stated it in another thread) that if there is a way to not only keep the Veil from being destroyed, but to sever magic from Thedas completely as an ultimate end-of-series choice, I would take it.
If everyone becomes a mage or whatever, I would be a little disappointed. Mostly because I like playing as non-mages.
What is it that Morrigan said?
"Mankind blunders through the world, crushing what it does not understand; elves, dragons, magic...the list is endless. We must stem the tide, or be left with nothing more than the mundane. This I know to be true."
I would rather see the Veil destroyed and return Thedas to it's original state. The transition would be chaotic for sure, but surely the future generations could benefit from this.
And anyway, I don't even know who leads the College, so it's hard tell what lies in its future.
What is it that Morrigan said?
"Mankind blunders through the world, crushing what it does not understand; elves, dragons, magic...the list is endless. We must stem the tide, or be left with nothing more than the mundane. This I know to be true."
I would rather see the Veil destroyed and return Thedas to it's original state. The transition would be chaotic for sure, but surely the future generations could benefit from this.
But is a mundane world really that bad?
Compare what little good magic has to offer with all of the bad.
But is a mundane world really that bad?
Compare what little good magic has to offer with all of the bad.
That's kind of like saying that Earth would be better off with all non-domesticated animals extinct.
That's kind of like saying that Earth would be better off with all non-domesticated animals extinct.
How so?
How so?
Well, what you ask would effectively be the death of all spirits, as they'd have nothing to reflect, and as such, no existence. It would also be the extinction of dragons, Titans, mages, the obliteration of lyrium (and therefore a staggering blow to the dwarven economy), and the annihilation of countless pieces of knowledge that we haven't found yet.
But is a mundane world really that bad?
Compare what little good magic has to offer with all of the bad.
Not that it would be bad, but it would be lesser. Can you imagine the world without technology? Just destroy it all and move by horse or cook your meals with wood? It's only bad because we don't understand. I'm sure cavemen would say the same about us if they could see the future. To them it's just madness the world we live in, but you and most others don't see it that way.
But is a mundane world really that bad?
I would definitely take the other extreme if forced to choose.
Well, what you ask would effectively be the death of all spirits, as they'd have nothing to reflect, and as such, no existence. It would also be the extinction of dragons, Titans, mages, the obliteration of lyrium (and therefore a staggering blow to the dwarven economy), and the annihilation of countless pieces of knowledge that we haven't found yet.
There would still be so much left if we are going with the wild animals metaphor. Dragons would be gone, but what do they bring besides chaos and destruction?
(not that dragons don't have a right to simply exist. Just saying)
Mages are people after all. They would simply be people like everyone else.
Elves too. Most elves are non-magical as it is. They would continue to be non-mages.
The dwarves would have to adapt I suppose.
A non-magical Thedas could be just as diverse and 'magical' without actual magic. Just look at our world.
Not that it would be bad, but it would be lesser. Can you imagine the world without technology? Just destroy it all and move by horse or cook your meals with wood? It's only bad because we don't understand. I'm sure cavemen would say the same about us if they could see the future. To them it's just madness the world we live in, but you and most others don't see it that way.
But most Thedosians see magic as madness and chaos.
Keeping the Veil, even strengthening it is simply making Thedas more of what it already currently is.
The fact that bringing Thedas back to 'the way it was' means the destruction of the way it is now and everyone now living in it is enough of an incentive for my protagonist to fight to preserve the way things are now.
And If severing all magical ties means a more stable world (hypothetically), then so be it as well.
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