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[Jaison1986]

But most Thedosians see magic as madness and chaos.

 

Keeping the Veil, even strengthening it is simply making Thedas more of what it already currently is.

 

The fact that bringing Thedas back to 'the way it was' means the destruction of the way it is now and everyone now living in it is enough of an incentive for my protagonist to fight to preserve the way things are now. 

 

And If severing all magical ties means a more stable world (hypothetically), then so be it as well. 

 

Most Thedosians are ignorant of the true nature of the world. Just like people who used to think the world was flat.

 

That's actually enough incentive for me to want to see it gone. Current Thedas is terrible, qunari, Tevinter, Orlais. These nations that lead are terrible. I would rather see all of that gone and allow the people of Thedas to start on a complete clean slate.

 

I'm not afraid of change. Fear of change is aways what held humanity back. The truth is that people will aways suffer and die with or without magic, so if in that life, the wonders of the old world could come back, I would accept them.

[Steelcan]

I seriously doubt that dragons would be coming back if that was the case, but they're on the rise. And we've now met a Titan, who didn't seem to be antagonistic either.

I think that the series is essentially a last huzzah for magic.  This is seen with Corypheus and Solas both having come back and both will undoubtedly fail/be stopped

[Steelcan]

True. But then we'd have to say goodbye to dragon-made Gaatlok, runes, enchantments, Golems, lyrium explosives, and possibly Thedas itself - depending on how important Titans are to it's fundamental structure.
And what of Thedas' plants? Elfroot and Embrium?

We don't know what would happen if the titans "died"

 

again, relatively mundane

[TK514]

Doesn't every ending result in a Circle as well as a College? If so, clearly the college isn't an unqualified success. That suggests to me that some level of ideological conflict is still inherent in every world state, only this time it is mage vs mage + mundane. Throw in Solas with his goals, and I'm not sure how there wouldn't eventually be some negative repercussions unless the effort to stop him is entirely clandestine and no details ever reach outside ears.

[sandalisthemaker]

Doesn't every ending result in a Circle as well as a College? If so, clearly the college isn't an unqualified success. That suggests to me that some level of ideological conflict is still inherent in every world state, only this time it is mage vs mage + mundane. Throw in Solas with his goals, and I'm not sure how there wouldn't eventually be some negative repercussions unless the effort to stop him is entirely clandestine and no details ever reach outside ears.

 

Oh, there will be chaos everywhere, but you bring up a good point.

 

Perhaps there will be more of a mage vs mage dynamic in the future.  I think that would be quite interesting. 

[TK514]

That's actually enough incentive for me to want to see it gone. Current Thedas is terrible, qunari, Tevinter, Orlais. These nations that lead are terrible. I would rather see all of that gone and allow the people of Thedas to start on a complete clean slate.

This assumes there would be any people left. Solas may be unintentionally setting up magical bears as Thedas' new dominant species.

[The Baconer]

A non-magical Thedas could be just as diverse and 'magical' without actual magic.  Just look at our world. 

 

 

Magic has the capacity for both infinite good and infinite evil. The real determinant will be what sentient beings choose to accomplish with it.

[sandalisthemaker]

Most Thedosians are ignorant of the true nature of the world. Just like people who used to think the world was flat.

 

That's actually enough incentive for me to want to see it gone. Current Thedas is terrible, qunari, Tevinter, Orlais. These nations that lead are terrible. I would rather see all of that gone and allow the people of Thedas to start on a complete clean slate.

 

I'm not afraid of change. Fear of change is aways what held humanity back. The truth is that people will aways suffer and die with or without magic, so if in that life, the wonders of the old world could come back, I would accept them.

 

I don't know, I personally could never justify destroying everyone who is currently alive just because the world isn't 'the way it's supposed to be' only to bring back a bunch of people who were just as corrupt- if not more so- than the people living now.

 

What's guaranteeing that this magical utopia would actually be a utopia?  

[Xilizhra]

I think that the series is essentially a last huzzah for magic.  This is seen with Corypheus and Solas both having come back and both will undoubtedly fail/be stopped

Not necessarily. There might be a way to bring about Solas' goal without killing everyone.

[Steelcan]

Not necessarily. There might be a way to bring about Solas' goal without killing everyone.

more likely there won't be

[TK514]

I don't know, I personally could never justify destroying everyone who is currently alive just because the world isn't 'the way it's supposed to be' only to bring back a bunch of people who were just as corrupt- if not more so- than the people living now.
 
What's guaranteeing that this magical utopia would actually be a utopia?

The people he'd theoretically be letting out certainly didn't manage utopia the last time they were in charge, going so far as to murder the only person that came close, and they have 1000+ years worth of reason to be super pissed at the 'we can do better' guy who might be the only one left who would want it to happen.

[The Baconer]

I don't know, I personally could never justify destroying everyone who is currently alive just because the world isn't 'the way it's supposed to be' [...]

 

Is trying to wholly sever magic from the world, despite not having any idea of the possible consequences, any different?

[Jaison1986]

I don't know, I personally could never justify destroying everyone who is currently alive just because the world isn't 'the way it's supposed to be' only to bring back a bunch of people who were just as corrupt- if not more so- than the people living now.

 

What's guaranteeing that this magical utopia would actually be a utopia?  

 

Assuming that everyone will die. While BW could have Solas succeed in tearing the veil, I doubt the same would happen when it comes to everyone dying. That would be ME3 level of bleakness, and I doubt BW want to step on those lego pieces again. I can't tell what will happen no more then anyone else, but here I'm hoping.

 

And there will never be utopia. My point is that wanting to improve the world we live in is a worthy goal. Or should we just live in madness? Doing the same things over and over again while expecting different results?

[Xilizhra]

I don't know, I personally could never justify destroying everyone who is currently alive just because the world isn't 'the way it's supposed to be' only to bring back a bunch of people who were just as corrupt- if not more so- than the people living now.

 

What's guaranteeing that this magical utopia would actually be a utopia?  

Why are we even having this discussion? It's a false choice. All we need to do is not kill anyone and see if we can find a safer way of restoring what was. Certainly we don't need to kill everything magical.

[sandalisthemaker]

Why are we even having this discussion? It's a false choice. All we need to do is not kill anyone and see if we can find a safer way of restoring what was. Certainly we don't need to kill everything magical.

 

What makes you think it's a false choice?  I'm taking Solas's crazy plan and the repercussions of said crazy plan at face value unless it is proven otherwise. 

[Ryzaki]

What makes you think it's a false choice?  I'm taking Solas's crazy plan and the repercussions of said crazy plan at face value unless it is proven otherwise. 

 

Man I wish my Solasmancer had been able to call him crazy just to see the look on his face.

[TK514]

And there will never be utopia. My point is that wanting to improve the world we live in is a worthy goal. Or should we just live in madness? Doing the same things over and over again while expecting different results?

The problem with this statement is that Thedas hasn't been doing the same things over and over and hoping for different results. Tevinter was a change from elven dominance. Andraste's south was a change from Tevinter dominance. The nations today are an evolution of tribal groupings. Nevarra and the Free Marches are a change from Orlesian do inance. Orlais itself is different than when Drakon founded it. The Chantry has evolved. The Qunari and the Darkspawn are both completely alien external threats that changed the world in their time. The list goes on and on. If anyone could be accused of wanting to try the same thing over and hoping for a diiferent result, it would be Solas.

[sandalisthemaker]

Assuming that everyone will die. While BW could have Solas succeed in tearing the veil, I doubt the same would happen when it comes to everyone dying. That would be ME3 level of bleakness, and I doubt BW want to step on those lego pieces again. I can't tell what will happen no more then anyone else, but here I'm hoping.

 

And there will never be utopia. My point is that wanting to improve the world we live in is a worthy goal. Or should we just live in madness? Doing the same things over and over again while expecting different results?

 

Does Thedas have problems? Yes, absolutely, and that's why I love this setting. I love all of the conflicts and problems that Thedas has. That's what makes it so interesting, and  I would actually be okay if things ultimately did not change and conflicts did not resolve- as unpopular as that opinion may be. 

 

I just think that Thedas should be allowed to work its problems out as it currently is.  Thedas as a world may not be what it should be, but it is what it is now, through no fault of the people currently inhabiting it. 

 

Man I wish my Solasmancer had been able to call him crazy just to see the look on his face.

 

I wish there was more reactivity from the Inquisitor in general in that scene. 

[AresKeith]

Does this count?

 

 

He doesn't count on the fact that he had an obvious villain voice

[Ryzaki]

I wish there was more reactivity from the Inquisitor in general in that scene. 

 

Yeah but at least in a friendship I felt...I don't know it had something to it. In a solasmance I was all OMG SOLAS TAKE ME WITH YOU EVEN IF YOU'RE DESTROYING MY HOME AND FAMILY BECAUSE YOU'RE MORE IMPORTANT AND I'M THAT BRAINDEAD or it was breaking up and putting me on the friendship route. Oh yeah and the I will redeem you route but that's pretty much the same as friendship. There was no "I like you dude but you crazy bro." I really wanted that

[sandalisthemaker]

Yeah but at least in a friendship I felt...I don't know it had something to it. In a solasmance I was all OMG SOLAS TAKE ME WITH YOU EVEN IF YOU'RE DESTROYING MY HOME AND FAMILY BECAUSE YOU'RE MORE IMPORTANT AND I'M THAT BRAINDEAD or it was breaking up and putting me on the friendship route. There was no "I like you dude but you crazy bro." I really wanted that

 

Going from a betrayal standpoint, I felt that the scene was pretty good. There are things that I wish the Inquisitor could say, but I am pretty satisfied with the 'what the hell? I'm going to do everything I can to stop you' option I was provided with. 

[Ryzaki]

Going from a betrayal standpoint, I felt that the scene was pretty good. There are things that I wish the Inquisitor could say, but I am pretty satisfied with the 'what the hell? I'm going to do everything I can to stop you' option I was provided with. 

 

My only issue with that is just defaulted to the high approval like they were never together. It felt like I might as well have romanced someone else and been just friends and took that option and got the exact same content. XD

 

I can't be too upset. The romance was written with a certain type of character in mind and I knew that going in. ah well.

[Illegitimus]

As shown in the Trespasser dlc, the College of Enchanters has not infact backfired despite what all the pro-templars seem to believe. 

 

If the College did backfire, where are all the mentions of the abominations that everyone acted were certain to appear? 

 

 

Oh, well a year has passed.  Clearly that proves there will never be a problem.  

[Lumix19]

We don't know what would happen if the titans "died"

again, relatively mundane

They have powers that I don't think could be considered mundane. Like producing potions boosting resistance to electricity or fire, creating healing mists etc.

[Dabrikishaw]

With the Circle and College existing in all the endings, it's pretty meaningless as far as choice go. Narratively I'm fine with Bioware making it easier on themselves for the next game.