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Could Dumat have survived?


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According to Dragon Age Wikipedia:

 

"Evidence suggests Dumat lives on in some form. There are those who still worship him faithfully, such as Corypheus once did, and it has been shown that those who are faithful to him and call upon him for aid receive it more often than not in the form of imbued magical power, or even physical items if sacrifices are made."

 

Are there any other sources apart this wiki entry to confirm this?



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Well according to what we know:

 

Dumat was the first Archdemon. So if the lore is correct and the Old Gods are tainted dragons, then no Dumat is probably gone.

 

Just because Dumat is (or could be) gone does not mean there are those who do not stop worshiping him. Cory continued to do so.

 

Whoever is giving these people magic or blessings could be someone or something other then Dumat.



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Well, if he is still around, he wasn't very good at giving Corypheus aid. So I'll go with no. It's possible also, though not overly likely, that his soul was saved through another Dark Ritual.



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In DA2: Legacy there's an altar of Dumat you can pray to. Doing so grants you a stat boost.


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The Altar of Dumat is powered by demons. I really don't see any evidence he survived. Corypheus clearly expected him to communicate but cannot hear him anymore.



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2 thoughts :
- Maybe there was an OGB who saved Dumat's soul.
- If not, people worshipping him could have given birth to a spirit taking his role/identity (Avvar are able to recreate their "gods"when they died if I remember well).

So... who knows ? :)
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Who are the people that worship him? WoT only says modern Old God Cults worship Razikale and Lusacan.



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There is of course another possibility.  Maybe the Old Gods are like Avvar gods.

 

It would make sense, given what we know.  Maybe the Old Gods were extraordinarily powerful and ancient spirits that got called into dragons like Hakkon was.  If that's the case, then dialogue in Jaws of Hakkon tells us what happens to a "dead" Avvar god - with worship, and sacrifice, a new spirit rises to take the place of the old, becoming what it was.

 

In his personal quest, Solas confirms that this is how spirits work in general.  He says after "All New, Faded for Her" that some new spirit may someday rise in place of his friend, though she would likely not remember him.

 

This puts the popular theory that the old gods intended the blight and intended corruption in a new light.  Maybe they wanted to die so they could be reborn out of their prisons...?

It also means that all the old gods could be running around Thedas already, keeping quiet and biding their time, if all of them had secret worshippers who were preparing the way for them.

 

EDIT: Also, it would be very funny if the final "push" Dumat needed to be reborn was Hawke praying at his altar.  Then Hawke could have potentially been responsible for red lyrium coming to the surface, the explosion at the chantry, the return of Dumat, and the release of Corypheus.  Will Hawke be remembered as history's greatest monster? :P


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Killing Mythal didn't really kill her, did it? At least some remant of her survived, and has had significant influence on important events.

Why should killing Dumat be different? Some remnant survived and this was what powered the altar in DA2:Legacy. Whether it reincarnated in some form like Mythal did, that remains to be seen. I don't see compelling evidence for it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened. Also, if a remnant of Dumat survived, it's probably untainted.
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2 thoughts :
- Maybe there was an OGB who saved Dumat's soul.

Well, if I remember correctly, Andraste was born the same year Dumat was slain... *shrug* You never know!


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Well, if I remember correctly, Andraste was born the same year Dumat was slain... *shrug* You never know!

 

The year 203 Ancient, though some scholars are unsure if that's correct.  Good find.  



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Cultists trolled by demons.



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Killing Mythal didn't really kill her, did it? At least some remant of her survived, and has had significant influence on important events.

Why should killing Dumat be different? Some remnant survived and this was what powered the altar in DA2:Legacy. Whether it reincarnated in some form like Mythal did, that remains to be seen. I don't see compelling evidence for it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened. Also, if a remnant of Dumat survived, it's probably untainted.

 

Because he's a different type of being altogether?



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It wouldn't surprise me in the least.  Honestly I have been musing this very possibility given all the other ancient creatures, dead, imprisoned, or otherwise, that have come back.  Cory, the Architect, Mythal, Fen'Harel, etc etc.  Might be amazing if he were the ultimate baddie in the DA series, mind you the best evidence against this is actually Trespasser. 



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Sometimes I think we are all being played by the Forgotten Ones. Especially the Magisters who claimed they were told to go to the City.



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If the plot demands his survival, then yes


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Well, if he is still around, he wasn't very good at giving Corypheus aid. So I'll go with no. It's possible also, though not overly likely, that his soul was saved through another Dark Ritual.

 

Cory also stopped worshipping him due to what happened at the City so I wouldn't expect he would give him any aid lol
 



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As for Dumant being dead its possible he just transferred himself into another being like Cory can do. I wouldn't be surprised if while fighting he faked his death or got defeated then took over the body of one of the people fighting him like Cory did to the Warden.



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Cory also stopped worshipping him due to what happened at the City so I wouldn't expect he would give him any aid lol
 

 

Corpypheus says he also can no longer hear the commands of Dumat, even when he did the old rituals in the Temple of Dumat.

 

As for Dumant being dead its possible he just transferred himself into another being like Cory can do. I wouldn't be surprised if while fighting he faked his death or got defeated then took over the body of one of the people fighting him like Cory did to the Warden.

 

If the Old Gods could do that, why did any of the Blights end?



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Corpypheus says he also can no longer hear the commands of Dumat, even when he did the old rituals in the Temple of Dumat.

 

 

If the Old Gods could do that, why did any of the Blights end?

 

 

They've been "purified" from the taint? Just look at Kieran. Or their wisps returned to the Fade?



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Corpypheus says he also can no longer hear the commands of Dumat, even when he did the old rituals in the Temple of Dumat.

 

 

 

That started way before the first blight happened.



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If the Old Gods could do that, why did any of the Blights end?

 

Old gods don't equal blights. If the old gods are gone the taint would still be around.



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That started way before the first blight happened.

He was able to communicate with Dumat at some point.

Old gods don't equal blights. If the old gods are gone the taint would still be around.

 

My point is that the reason individual Blights last as long as they do is because the Old Gods transfer their souls into other bodies like Corypheus did. And the reasons that individual Blights end is because they are stopped from doing so.



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He was able to communicate with Dumat at some point.


 
My point is that the reason individual Blights last as long as they do is because the Old Gods transfer their souls into other bodies like Corypheus did. And the reasons that individual Blights end is because they are stopped from doing so.


But not exactly like Corypheus did. Morrigan explains that when an OG soul enters a Wardens body both souls come into conflict and die. So Archdemons can only take the bodies of darkspawn because their soulless (or something along those lines). Corypheus seems to bend those rules because he can take the body of a warden and not be destroyed. His immortality had to be disrupted whilst the body hopping process of the Archdemons seems to have some limitations.

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Cory also stopped worshipping him due to what happened at the City so I wouldn't expect he would give him any aid lol
 

He specifically called upon Dumat to aid him during the final battle, however.