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[TraiHarder]

 

Corpypheus says he also can no longer hear the commands of Dumat, even when he did the old rituals in the Temple of Dumat.

 

 

If the Old Gods could do that, why did any of the Blights end?

 

 

When was that? That has slipped ma memory.

 

 

Idk maybe your no longer a Archdemon if your not in a High Dragon would kinda make sense. So then maybe darkspawn no longer feel the need to kill but then only search for the next old God. Not saying that he did it just saying its possible. Or maybe he saw he was not going to win so he went into hiding.

 

But its been shown that its only possible when there is someone weak minded close to the scene of the death if all the people that fought him were powerful then maybe he wasn't able to do it.

[TraiHarder]

He specifically called upon Dumat to aid him during the final battle, however.

Did he? Hmph been a bit since I actually played the final part. But either way he says that he himself no longer does the bidding of the Old Gods an does it for himself at the beginning.

 

As one person said that when people did pray an use Dumants name they did in some shape or form receive a "blessing" maybe he was hoping for one lol So maybe he knows that Dumants alive somewhere.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

It is my deepest hope that when Corypheus called out to Dumat in the end, he somehow saved Corypheus. I still think Corypheus is one of the best villains ever made in any medium and hope he will appear again in the next game. However - the writers at Bioware butchered and misused the potential of the character in the last 1/3 of the game. 

[TraiHarder]

It is my deepest hope that when Corypheus called out to Dumat in the end, he somehow saved Corypheus. I still think Corypheus is one of the best villains ever made in any medium and hope he will appear again in the next game. However - the writers at Bioware butchered and misused the potential of the character in the last 1/3 of the game. 

 

I agree I love Cory for sure an would love for Dumant to have saved him some how that would be awesome. He is a amazing Villain but def like u said he felt a bit underplayed. Some parts were just amazing like when he attacked Haven of him when he used his resurrection ability omg. But like the ending was very very disappointing I mean I felt more out of the ending of legacy beating him than I did there. Not to mention he was like not even as strong fight wise as he was in legacy lol e felt way to easy.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

As for Dumant being dead its possible he just transferred himself into another being like Cory can do. I wouldn't be surprised if while fighting he faked his death or got defeated then took over the body of one of the people fighting him like Cory did to the Warden.

The whole point of a Grey Warden killing them is the soul jumps into the Warden and his soul collides with the Old god soul and "poof" mutual destruction.

There is no if,buts or maybes it is an Ex Arch Demon.

[TraiHarder]

The whole point of a Grey Warden killing them is the soul jumps into the Warden and his soul collides with the Old god soul and "poof" mutual destruction.

There is no if,buts or maybes it is an Ex Arch Demon.

SOOOOOOOO u obviously didn't play Legacy lmao

 

Because Cory does the exact same thing a Arch Demon can do An there is a If a But and a Maybe soooooooo yea ur validation has like gone out the window.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

SOOOOOOOO u obviously didn't play Legacy lmao

 

Because Cory does the exact same thing a Arch Demon can do An there is a If a But and a Maybe soooooooo yea ur validation has like gone out the window.

Soooooooooo obviously you did not pay attention to the previous 5 Arch-demons getting killed by that tried and tested method.How many came back...thats right 0, wait i just did a recount and guess what! it was still 0.

[TraiHarder]

Soooooooooo obviously you did not pay attention to the previous 5 Arch-demons getting killed by that tried and tested method.How many came back...thats right 0, wait i just did a recount and guess what! it was still 0.

Sooooooo u obviously didn't ready my post in it entirety I said repeat I SAID that if there was someone in the area of his death that was weak minded enough he could have transferred into one of them but if the people he fought were powerful most likely not. So before you go talking about stuff you don't know at least read what your replying to k guy?

[MrObnoxiousUK]

Sooooooo u obviously didn't ready my post in it entirety I said repeat I SAID that if there was someone in the area of his death that was weak minded enough he could have transferred into one of them but if the people he fought were powerful most likely not. So before you go talking about stuff you don't know at least read what your replying to k guy?

You are the one with reading comprehension problems.I mentioned what happens when a Grey Warden kills an Arch-demon the soul of the two entities are DESTROYED not taken over, made into a balloon animal or baked into a cake they are obliterated. Weak minds don't come into it.

[Phoe77]

I think it's a bit presumptuous to believe that we understand perfectly what happens when an archdemon is killed.  Morrigan's ritual shows very clearly that there is at least one way for an old god's soul to avoid destruction.  I don't know if I buy that Dumat took over some fool's body after the archdemon was killed, but I wouldn't be terribly shocked to learn that he survived in some form.  Inquisition and Trespasser have proven that Bioware doesn't mind proving that Thedosian history is wrong about everything.

 

Of course, we don't even know what the Old Gods actually are.  If they're anything like Avvar gods, the death of an archdemon could very well simply mean that the spirit is free to reform in some manner.

[TraiHarder]

You are the one with reading comprehension problems.I mentioned what happens when a Grey Warden kills an Arch-demon the soul of the two entities are DESTROYED not taken over, made into a balloon animal or baked into a cake they are obliterated. Weak minds don't come into it.

 

lmao again you obviously have never played Legacy. If you didn't know Cory can take over the mind an body of two different Wardens an oh wow neither of them were "destroyed" other than the mind of the Warden that is. Which u don't seem to understand.

 

So plz make up whatever u need to, to try an make yourself sound right ill wait.

[TraiHarder]

I think it's a bit presumptuous to believe that we understand perfectly what happens when an archdemon is killed.  Morrigan's ritual shows very clearly that there is at least one way for an old god's soul to avoid destruction.  I don't know if I buy that Dumat took over some fool's body after the archdemon was killed, but I wouldn't be terribly shocked to learn that he survived in some form.  Inquisition and Trespasser have proven that Bioware doesn't mind proving that Thedosian history is wrong about everything.

 

Of course, we don't even know what the Old Gods actually are.  If they're anything like Avvar gods, the death of an archdemon could very well simply mean that the spirit is free to reform in some manner.

Well cory did it so why couldn't  a old god?

[MrObnoxiousUK]

I think it's a bit presumptuous to believe that we understand perfectly what happens when an archdemon is killed.  Morrigan's ritual shows very clearly that there is at least one way for an old god's soul to avoid destruction.  I don't know if I buy that Dumat took over some fool's body after the archdemon was killed, but I wouldn't be terribly shocked to learn that he survived in some form.  Inquisition and Trespasser have proven that Bioware doesn't mind proving that Thedosian history is wrong about everything.

 

Of course, we don't even know what the Old Gods actually are.  If they're anything like Avvar gods, the death of an archdemon could very well simply mean that the spirit is free to reform in some manner.

Their tainted blood bound them to the archdemon, and they could hear it, feel it, as it died and was born anew, its spirit drawn to possess the nearest tainted creature. The darkspawn were mindless , souless, empty shells of flesh that could be bent and remade in the dragons image. But a man...a man's soul was not so malleable. When a Wardens hand struck a fatal blow against Dumat, the Old God's spirit was drawn not to a darkspawn but to the man who had slain him. In that moment the souls of both the Warden and the Archdemon were utterly destroyed and the dragon rose no more. The blight was over.

 

This is from the codex entry for the Archdemon there is little to no ambiguity or room for shady excuses.

Also Traiharder , mate i can lead a horse to water but i can't make you drink it seems.

[rapscallioness]

I would not be surprised. I mean, the Wardens did kinda muck it up the first time. They didn't know about the body jumping. Dumat was the first. The Wardens didn't kill it the first time. They had to--somehow-figure out the whole darkspawn blood/body jumping thing. That may have taken awhile. Who knows what happened? Did Dumat jump already the first time they tried and failed to kill it?

 

But the Wardens had to come back to Dumat to finish him off. Alot of things could have gone wrong that first time with Dumat.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

I would not be surprised. I mean, the Wardens did kinda muck it up the first time. They didn't know about the body jumping. Dumat was the first. The Wardens didn't kill it the first time. They had to--somehow-figure out the whole darkspawn blood/body jumping thing. That may have taken awhile. Who knows what happened? Did Dumat jump already the first time they tried and failed to kill it?

 

But the Wardens had to come back to Dumat to finish him off. Alot of things could have gone wrong that first time with Dumat.

Indeed the reason the first blight lasted so long was every time they killed Dumat the soul would go into a Darkspawn and he would become the Archdemon again, it was not until the Grey Wardens were formed and the ritual devised they came upon the method that works.

[Aren]

2 thoughts :
- Maybe there was an OGB who saved Dumat's soul.
- If not, people worshipping him could have given birth to a spirit taking his role/identity (Avvar are able to recreate their "gods"when they died if I remember well).

So... who knows ?

Mythal wasn't in Thedas until much later

 

Old gods don't equal blights. If the old gods are gone the taint would still be around

but Without the old gods you will never  have a blight or an archdemon since taint isn't a blight,so i would say  an old god around is a potencial blight

0 old gods=0 potential blights

[Reznore57]

We still don't know what the hell the Old Gods are /were.

The only Old Gods we've seen is Urthemiel , when tainted he was busy rampaging the countryside , then he was in Kieran ..not doing much .

So I'm not sure where those Dumat is still alive are coming from , the altar in Legacy it was demons.Demons and spirits answers prayers.

But let's say Dumat has been alive and kicking for a thousand years , well it seems he wasn't doing much so he might as well be dead.

[Lumix19]

I think it's a bit presumptuous to believe that we understand perfectly what happens when an archdemon is killed. Morrigan's ritual shows very clearly that there is at least one way for an old god's soul to avoid destruction. I don't know if I buy that Dumat took over some fool's body after the archdemon was killed, but I wouldn't be terribly shocked to learn that he survived in some form. Inquisition and Trespasser have proven that Bioware doesn't mind proving that Thedosian history is wrong about everything.

Of course, we don't even know what the Old Gods actually are. If they're anything like Avvar gods, the death of an archdemon could very well simply mean that the spirit is free to reform in some manner.

That would actually be pretty interesting. An Old God soul just floating around trying to reform it's body all Voldemort-like.

[Phoe77]

Their tainted blood bound them to the archdemon, and they could hear it, feel it, as it died and was born anew, its spirit drawn to possess the nearest tainted creature. The darkspawn were mindless , souless, empty shells of flesh that could be bent and remade in the dragons image. But a man...a man's soul was not so malleable. When a Wardens hand struck a fatal blow against Dumat, the Old God's spirit was drawn not to a darkspawn but to the man who had slain him. In that moment the souls of both the Warden and the Archdemon were utterly destroyed and the dragon rose no more. The blight was over.

 

This is from the codex entry for the Archdemon there is little to no ambiguity or room for shady excuses.

Also Traiharder , mate i can lead a horse to water but i can't make you drink it seems.

 

I think there's always a level of ambiguity when discussing what happens to a being's soul upon its death.  I don't think that Thedas understands the nature of a soul or what happens to it when something dies much better than we do in our world.  Even barring the possibility that the author is using some figurative language to try to convey what happened, it's possible that he's simply not completely correct.  

 

It's also possible that the account in that codex is spot on and Dumat is dead and gone completely.  Given that Bioware is not above revealing that accepted knowledge and history is fundamentally wrong about a lot of things, however, I think that it's reasonable to leave room for the possibility of some vestige of Dumat's essence having survived in some way.