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Does the Temple of Mythal even make sense anymore?


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BansheeOwnage

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I think the implication was that the Dalish conception of their gods was entirely wrong. Andruil never taught the elves how to hunt, she only hunted them for sport (even before being driven mad from the void). Falon'din was never a guide for the dead (how could he be if he was a false god?), he was just obsessed with killing people to feed his ego.

Well, without knowing for sure, I disagree. I think they had good aspects, at least at the beginning. I also think it would be rather stupid if all the Dalish got right were their names.

 

Edit: Also, "Guide for the dead" could mean something different than what immediately springs to mind. As an example, Skywatcher could be called the same.



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Jedi Master of Orion

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I think that's a little stupid too, but I also believe that was the story DAI told.



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Pedro Barrera

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The "world was betrayed" could also be interpreted as Mythal believing the Evanuris betrayed their duty to the Earth (they said the Earth was their right when banishing the Forbidden Ones) by desiring to kill Titans, which Mythal was apparently against. So, the others murdered Mythal to advance their goals of dooming the Earth (material world) by slaying the Titans for more power, and so they "betrayed" the world.
 
This is just speculation, of course.
 
Even if it was a Temple of Mythal and the others killed her, the stories of the others are all still a part of the tapestry of the world of the Ancient Elves.


I haven't yet read all comments so I do not know wether or not someone has already told you this, but after you have the Qunari Key Stone for the Darvaraad, if you go back to the deep roads and the library you find additional lore. One of wich clearly states Mithal killed a titan. I saw this at FluffyNinjaLlama 's youtube channel

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I don't think that was supposed to be actual ghost of Maferath. But regardless, it's purpose in the temple was specifically to tell the story of Maferath's jealousy and betrayal. It's purpose was to teach pilgrims about how terrible the murder of the prophet was and also explain why he was motivated to do so.

 

The statue of Elgar'nan by contrast says:

 

"Elgar'nan, Wrath and Thunder,

Give us Glory.

Give us Victory over, the Earth that shakes our cities.

Strike the usurpers with your lightning.

Burn the ground with your gaze.

Bring Winged Death against those who throw down our work.

 

Elgar'nan, help us tame the land."

 

There's also a song to Sylaise that ends with "We gladly give yourself to your service."

 

There's no mention of the betrayal and murder of Mythal.

 

I don't know. He seemed to have specific knowledge. And as for purpose, he can ignore that purpose and let you pass if you tell him you don't know the answer to his riddle. Anyway, those bits of info about the other evanuris were to inform others of what they were like. Besides, the Temple of Mythal was a place where judgments were made. It wasn't a shrine to her or anything. The shrine is elsewhere. In a worldstate where Morrigan did not complete the Dark Ritual, she and the Inquisitor go to a shrine. One of the options there is to point out how this is a place or reverence compared to the temple, which was a place of judgment.
 



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Edit: Also, "Guide for the dead" could mean something different than what immediately springs to mind. As an example, Skywatcher could be called the same.

 

My most shameful headcanon: the "wings of death" is a spaceship, and Falon'din is its captain. He "mastered the dark that lies", "through shapeless worlds and airless skies". In this bizarre fever-dream universe, "guiding people through uthenera" is a poetic reinterpretation of "taking them to visit other planets while they're in cryosleep".

 

Something something sufficiently advanced magic something something technology?

 

In reality, it's probably simpler to assume that they just... journeyed the Beyond. And used eluvians if they wanted to visit other worlds. Like normal Thedosians. No rockets involved.

 

But some small part of me hopes it's never confirmed one way or the other. So I can keep picturing the pantheon as a group of magical flowy elves, with one spacesuit-wearing weirdo plopped in the middle.


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That's if Abelas knows about the Veil story, and that's if its even true in the first place. Solas' power in Trespasser can be dismissed as a spell. Wynne could do the same thing in Origins.

 

How about the fact that Solas was going around saying, "We aren't gods"?

 

But this is all beside the point. Abelas thought they were gods. So he probably didn't know the truth about them.

 

 

And did Abelas know this about Fen'Harel or any of the other evanuris?

Title:  "He clings to all that remains of his world, because he lacks the power to restore it." - Solas

 

What are youuuuu talking about?   :huh:

 

Abelas tone clearly suggest he is speaking in a way for Shemlens to understand while being subtle. His use of words are deliberate, god, pointing out Elves like Solas, etc. It is almost as if there is a bit of shame/sorrow behind his words all the while he projects this idea that he looks down on shems, the inquisitor, and his party.

 

He is speaking in this way so that he can't be judge outright nor his people be judged for whatever shame they carry.

 

"you stumble down our paths at the side of one of our own"-- paths plural and stumble are important. " It is not for you. It is not for any of you." I won't analyze the meaning of these quotes but the tone reflects what I stated above which is he speaks in a manner for shems to understand while projecting his superiority. There is shame in his tone also but more subtle. "It is a path, one walked only by those who toiled in Mythal's favor... More than that you need not know"-- path and toiled are important.

 

As for why he considers the Evanuris gods, look at the words I mentioned are important then consider this statement by Solas: "He clings to all that remains of his world, because he lacks the power to restore it."  

 

Title: part 2: similitude

 

I am not certain what Wynne could do is the same thing nor can I posit them as different. There is a similarity that Wynne a "spirit" healer may have had advance magic that echoes in likeness to what Solas seems to do with ease. But, none of this suggest Solas power could be dismissed as merely a spell unless more than one other could display such feat and ease.

 

Abelas knew more than he was saying. Having met three figures from the world of Ancient elves, Solas, Flemeth (Mythal), and Abelas, I could say that saying less than you know maybe a trait of these elves, of the people. Oh :P , I could be just like Abelas, who knew. Qunari time.


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