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[hedop85]

They Got 14 GOTY awards.

 

And that means they should be allowed to rob us customers of the first hours`?

[Realmzmaster]

So? How is that a reason to screw over the people who actually made it worthwhile to produce DLC's and a game of the year edition? I pre-purchased the thing and now get financially raped by the games company??? 65 Euro for All DLC plus upgrade to Deluxe and new customers get that for 60 Euro whereas I have to spend 65 Euro on top of the 50 Euro I spend? Are you ****** kidding me? I don't need it for free. I don't mind paying 15 Euro for the upgrade but this is insane! Even if a person who buys DA:I base edition now and then buys all the DLC **** would have to pay less then I would to get the same content. How is that fair? Give me a ****** upgrade for affordable money!

First of all you choose to buy anything. You choose to pre-order and you choose to buy or not buy dlc. Others chose to wait for the GOTY to get it all in one package. You bought the base game and got what you paid for. Others bought the base game and some of the dlc and got what they paid for. Others bought the base game and all the dlc and got what they paid for.

 

Why should the gamer who only bought the base game and none of the dlc or some of the dlc get preferential treatment over the gamer who bought the base game and all dlc when they both had the same opportunities. The gamer who bought none of the dlc or only some of it can wait for a sale on the dlc they do not have.

 

The GOTY edition is aimed at those who chose to wait or newcomers. It is considered marketing wise a separate product. In effect it is a bundle.

[hedop85]

In effect it's ****** over any customer. Nobody knew if and when a GOTY version would even come out so basically you were led along with a ring through your nose to spend another 45 bucks on this game if you decided to go for the DLC. None of us were aware when we pre-ordered and purchased DA:I that there would be story DLC's and none of us knew how much they would cost. That's the difference with EA and CDPR they said: hey look there will be DLC to this game, the season pass will be this much, the DLC's will be this size, they will come out around this time. So you knew what you were in for. Not with DA:I you basically got fucked over because the real ending is the last DLC which also sets up a possible DA 4. That is what I call fucked up.

 

I don't give a **** if it's considered whatever. We weren't given the option and again:

 

If we all waited for the prices to drop and GOTY to come out there would not be a ****** GOTY or a single DLC. The game would be considered a financial flop and the franchise would be put on ice. Guys like us who bought the game before or when it came out are the reason the game even has a GOTY and DLC because it made it financially viable. Anybody who bought the base game and DLC got screwed over royally because they had to pay 45-65 bucks on top of the 50 bucks the game costs to get everything that any douche who now comes along after over a year to buy the game gets for half the price. We were the once who struggled with the multitude of bugs, the rubbish support and so forth. Yet we are told: to get the full game you have pay even more than what you paid already.

 

That's just no way to treat customers and it's just fucked up simple as that. Give the customers who bought the DLC's a refund so they don't pay more than the GOTY edition costs and give the base game buyers from before the release and announcement of the GOTY and upgrade for 10-15 euro to get what they supported and made possible in their first place.

 

Decisions and style of business like that are the reason EA is considered one of the worst companies in video game history in terms of greed, more greed, cashing in and mistreating customers.

[FKA_Servo]

Decisions and style of business like that are the reason EA is considered one of the worst companies in video game history in terms of greed, more greed, cashing in and mistreating customers.

 

You're fixating on EA, but it's literally a thing that every other company does, and has been doing for years, which you should be aware of. So I'm calling grandstanding right now.

 

Either way, paying full price at release versus getting a deal later on is just common consumer sense. It shouldn't be surprising, and it's not even particularly insidious. You're nuts.

[hedop85]

You're fixating on EA, but it's literally a thing that every other company does, and has been doing for years, which you should be aware of. So I'm calling grandstanding right now.

 

Either way, paying full price at release versus getting a deal later on is just common consumer sense. It shouldn't be surprising, and it's not even particularly insidious. You're nuts.

 

It is. No one told me there would be DLC, what extent they have, if they actually matter (like at least Trespasser does) to the ending. No one told me how much they would cost, when they would be out. No one told me if there would be a GOTY edition or not. I don't care if anybody is doing it. EA is famous for shitting all over their customers like that. Even the Mass Effect Trilogy is still sold without the DLC and costs 40 bucks even though it includes a game that was absolutely panned by critics a 5 year old game and an 8 year old game. Dragon Age Origins Ultimate edition still costs 20 bucks even though the game is 5 years old, has aged considerably in terms of looks and was actually offered free for a month by EA.  I don't care if everyone does it... it's wrong.

 

And for the last time: if everyone would wait for a ****** deal later and for the GOTY version there wouldn't be one because it wouldn't sell!!!

[FKA_Servo]

So wait for a sale. DLC on origin actually goes on sale, at any rate.

 

And for the last time: if everyone would wait for a ****** deal later and for the GOTY version there wouldn't be one because it wouldn't sell!!!

 

And for the last time, most people weigh the pros and cons of early adoption and decide.

 

For example, my priorities dictate that I can wait for a Witcher game or a Saints Row game, so I buy those later for cheap if I'm interested. I don't want to wait for Dragon Age game, so I buy that one new. Your priorities might be the exact opposite of mine. Both are valid, and you are empowered to make your own choices.

 

Likewise with DLC (which, if you didn't know any was coming - I just don't know what to say to that). I wait for it to release, determine whether or not it's worthy of purchase, and proceed accordingly. If the content seems like it's worth my time and money, even if I've already paid for a game, I'll buy it. If it's not, I won't. Keep in mind that I also have common sense, though.

 

Honestly, This whole post of yours is completely oblivious and absurd.

[hedop85]

You are absurd. As if the the full package of DLC's will ever be on sale for 15 Euro. Look at the price policy of EA. Jesus Christ. And no a DLC was not announced and certainly not three of them when the game came out and it was never implied that the actual game didn't actually have the actual ending. Seriously? With a customer policy and prices like that EA really should not be surprised that people managed to crack this game wide open and distribute it to the masses because 115!!!! bucks overall is a ripoff if I have ever seen one.

[FKA_Servo]

You are absurd. As if the the full package of DLC's will ever be on sale for 15 Euro. Look at the price policy of EA. Jesus Christ. And no a DLC was not announced and certainly not three of them when the game came out and it was never implied that the actual game didn't actually have the actual ending. Seriously? With a customer policy and prices like that EA really should not be surprised that people managed to crack this game wide open and distribute it to the masses because 115!!!! bucks overall is a ripoff if I have ever seen one.

"Every single game Bioware has released in the past decade has had post release DLC. Every major release, and the overwhelming majority of minor releases, also has post release DLC. It is therefore sensible to assume that this wouldn't hold true for DAI."

You bought the game when it came out. You got to play it right away. That's $50, I guess. If you buy Trespasser, which seems to be the only one you care about, that's $65, which is a different, lower number than $115. If you decided you wanted all the story DLC (the other two are fun, but not main plot relevant), you're at $95. Huh. That's also a lower number than $115. It is still a lot, of course, but you did lay more than half of it out a year ago.

I do agree that if you went and did something that makes no sense, it would cost you $115. If I were to buy a second copy of the game and throw a sack of cash off the end of a pier, it could potentially cost me thousands.

Either way, it's hard to shake the impression that you're simply indignant that the things you want to buy cost money, and also things sometimes cost less money after they've been on the market for awhile. Again, I don't know why you're singling out EA, because every other publisher and developer charges money for their games, too. Other developers release GOTY editions that are a better value than the base game at release, too.

I also think it would be really great for them to sell a bundle. It would be weird and cool, because again, most publishers don't do stuff like that.

was never implied that the actual game didn't actually have the actual ending

Oh, so you are just grandstanding. Gotcha.

[hedop85]

"Every single game Bioware has released in the past decade has had post release DLC. Every major release, and the overwhelming majority of minor releases, also has post release DLC. It is therefore sensible to assume that this wouldn't hold true for DAI."

You bought the game when it came out. You got to play it right away. That's $50, I guess. If you buy Trespasser, which seems to be the only one you care about, that's $65, which is a different, lower number than $115. If you decided you wanted all the story DLC (the other two are fun, but not main plot relevant), you're at $95. Huh. That's also a lower number than $115. It is still a lot, of course, but you did lay more than half of it out a year ago.

I do agree that if you went and did something that makes no sense, it would cost you $115. If I were to buy a second copy of the game and throw a sack of cash off the end of a pier, it could potentially cost me thousands.

Either way, it's hard to shake the impression that you're simply indignant that the things you want to buy cost money, and also things sometimes cost less money after they've been on the market for awhile. Again, I don't know why you're singling out EA, because every other publisher and developer charges money for their games, too. Other developers release GOTY editions that are a better value than the base game at release, too.

I also think it would be really great for them to sell a bundle. It would be weird and cool, because again, most publishers don't do stuff like that.

Oh, so you are just grandstanding. Gotcha.

 

115 Euro is what it would cost.

10 Euro for the upgrade to Deluxe to get all the weapons stuff and what not

15 Euro Jaws of Hakkon

15 Euro Trespasser

15 Euro Descent

5 Euro Spoils of the Avvar

5 Euro Spoils of the Qunari

50 Euro for the base game

 

That is what GOTY is. To get that I would have to spend either more than GOTY costs (60 Euro) or buy GOTY on top of the base game (which would then cost 110 Euro in all). So learn your friggin math.

[Kantr]

And that means they should be allowed to rob us customers of the first hours`?

First hours?

[Kantr]

115 Euro is what it would cost.

10 Euro for the upgrade to Deluxe to get all the weapons stuff and what not

15 Euro Jaws of Hakkon

15 Euro Trespasser

15 Euro Descent

5 Euro Spoils of the Avvar

5 Euro Spoils of the Qunari

50 Euro for the base game

 

That is what GOTY is. To get that I would have to spend either more than GOTY costs (60 Euro) or buy GOTY on top of the base game (which would then cost 110 Euro in all). So learn your friggin math.

That's how it always works. It's cheaper to wait 'till the price drops or get a season pass rather than buy all the content up front. What's your complaint?

[hedop85]

Jesus Chris you guys are like: yeah it's good to get screwed over. Let's all pay 500 Bucks per game and another 2.500 Bucks for DLC. Are you mentally ill? If everyone waited to buy a game a year or so later guess what happens? No DLC. Because you need to have a break even point to make any DLC financially viable. So say a DLC needs at least 200.000 sales to hit at least its break even point but the base game only sold 20.000 Units... there will be no DLC, because you couldn't break even. Yes people buy DLC's but check the numbers... most people who already own the base game do, it's not like people come and say: oh yeah let's buy this base game and then immediately spend another 15 bucks for the DLC. Those people are the ones waiting. The first DLC was released half a year after the initial release of the game so sales would have already dropped to a low percentage, whatever was the case for games like this beforehand: unlike CDPR neither Bioware nor EA said: there will be a DLC out in about 6 months and then 2 more.

 

It's rare for people to buy the game simply because there is a DLC for it The same is true for GOTY. Without DLC there would be no GOTY edition because you might as well continue selling the base game and hope you break even some point.

 

So again... thank you I'm perfectly well aware that this is how it works but that does not mean that you are justified in screwing over the people whose sales actually made a DLC and therefore also the GOTY edition financially viable and possible. Without those people there would be none of those things because it just wouldn't make economic sense to have one or even several DLC for a game that has number of base game owners that is too low. So it is also perfectly justified to now ask for some love back and make it possible for people who bought the base game before there was ever any thought of a GOTY and before the DLC's were announced to get a low priced upgrade to the GOTY edition of the game and for those people who bought the DLC's piece by piece to get at least a couple of codes to take some % of for future purchases.

 

I really don't get how far up someones behind you have to be to not think that it would be right to offer an upgrade to those who bought the game first and made its success and DLC's possible and give some relieve in form of a % off for people who invested twice the price of the base game in DLC's when nobody knew if there was anything like this GOTY edition even coming. It's the right way to treat people who bought your game and made it's commercial success possible and it's the right stance to take to show people: we did not forget about you, we value your support, we value the money you give us and we value that your support and money made this game a geat success and led to several DLC's and a GOTY edition of the game.

[FKA_Servo]

If everyone waited to buy a game a year or so later guess what happens? No DLC.

 

And if something else that would never happen happens, then anything else could happen. The point you seem to be missing is that lots of people always continue to choose to buy the base game at full price because they don't want to wait to play it (me, apparently you, and millions of other people, in this case). There will always be people who pay full price. And there are always going to be people who wait to take advantage of a sale. This goes for both the games and the DLC. If I get them when they're released, I get to play them immediately. If I don't, then I save a bunch of money but I have to wait. I, like countless other average people, make these decisions on a case by case basis.

 

 

 

unlike CDPR neither Bioware nor EA said: there will be a DLC out in about 6 months and then 2 more.

 

"Since they haven't announced the release of a forthcoming Call of Duty sequel or NBA 2K17, I have no reason to believe these games will be released."

 

So anyway, CDPR. CDPR is awesome. So awesome that they're literally the only developer I can think of who has done anything similar to what you're suggesting. You're acting like it's a common practice and that they're not the outlier. And I don't think anyone disagrees with you. It would be very cool if they released a DLC bundle. But unfortunately, one single developer (who isn't doing this sort of thing for entirely altruistic reason,s believe me) isn't yet enough to move the entire industry away from their standard operating procedure.

 

 

 

So again... thank you I'm perfectly well aware that this is how it works but that does not mean that you are justified in screwing over the people whose sales actually made a DLC and therefore also the GOTY edition financially viable and possible.

 

Actually, realistically speaking - you probably have all the people throwing real money at the multiplayer store to thank for this. And they've gotten tons of free DLC, so they do appear to be taking care of them.

 

I'm still not certain you're 100% on board with it, but anyway, define "screwed" and "justified" please. I don't think releasing a product to people who are happy to pay full price for it, and then lowering the price and offering a good deal for those who did not, really falls under that umbrella.

 

 

 

Without those people there would be none of those things because it just wouldn't make economic sense to have one or even several DLC for a game that has number of base game owners that is too low. So it is also perfectly justified to now ask for some love back and make it possible for people who bought the base game before there was ever any thought of a GOTY and before the DLC's were announced to get a low priced upgrade to the GOTY edition of the game and for those people who bought the DLC's piece by piece to get at least a couple of codes to take some % of for future purchases.

 

I agree you're perfectly justified, and it's a sensible request (one that you'll find many people agree with, because obviously), though it would be unprecedented. The message is sound, but the messenger is just hilariously uninformed, oblivious, and overdramatic.

 

EA has made one egregious misstep with DAI (the old gen debacle), but everything else is pretty much above board. I will once again note, not that I think there's any point, that the DLC has frequently gone on sale on Origin, so if you're a PC gamer, you can go that route, in any case. You can always pick and choose. I'm happy to tell you right now, as a deluxe owner, that those items are not worth the $10 bucks the upgrade would cost. They're ugly and weak and you'd never use them. The only spoils pack that's possibly worth the cash is the qunari pack, now that they've fixed it.

[Wolven_Soul]

Jesus Chris you guys are like: yeah it's good to get screwed over. Let's all pay 500 Bucks per game and another 2.500 Bucks for DLC. Are you mentally ill? If everyone waited to buy a game a year or so later guess what happens? No DLC. Because you need to have a break even point to make any DLC financially viable. So say a DLC needs at least 200.000 sales to hit at least its break even point but the base game only sold 20.000 Units... there will be no DLC, because you couldn't break even. Yes people buy DLC's but check the numbers... most people who already own the base game do, it's not like people come and say: oh yeah let's buy this base game and then immediately spend another 15 bucks for the DLC. Those people are the ones waiting. The first DLC was released half a year after the initial release of the game so sales would have already dropped to a low percentage, whatever was the case for games like this beforehand: unlike CDPR neither Bioware nor EA said: there will be a DLC out in about 6 months and then 2 more.

 

It's rare for people to buy the game simply because there is a DLC for it The same is true for GOTY. Without DLC there would be no GOTY edition because you might as well continue selling the base game and hope you break even some point.

 

So again... thank you I'm perfectly well aware that this is how it works but that does not mean that you are justified in screwing over the people whose sales actually made a DLC and therefore also the GOTY edition financially viable and possible. Without those people there would be none of those things because it just wouldn't make economic sense to have one or even several DLC for a game that has number of base game owners that is too low. So it is also perfectly justified to now ask for some love back and make it possible for people who bought the base game before there was ever any thought of a GOTY and before the DLC's were announced to get a low priced upgrade to the GOTY edition of the game and for those people who bought the DLC's piece by piece to get at least a couple of codes to take some % of for future purchases.

 

I really don't get how far up someones behind you have to be to not think that it would be right to offer an upgrade to those who bought the game first and made its success and DLC's possible and give some relieve in form of a % off for people who invested twice the price of the base game in DLC's when nobody knew if there was anything like this GOTY edition even coming. It's the right way to treat people who bought your game and made it's commercial success possible and it's the right stance to take to show people: we did not forget about you, we value your support, we value the money you give us and we value that your support and money made this game a geat success and led to several DLC's and a GOTY edition of the game.

 

Your not getting screwed over.  Just because you buy the game at release and you buy the DLC's does not mean that you are entitled to anything extra.  Yeah, it would be nice for the developer's to show some appreciation in the ways that you mention, but they are by no means obligated to do so.  If the quality of their content is worth the price that they are asking for, that is all that I need to be content, and I will continue to shell out full price for it so that I don't have to wait a long time to be able to play it.  The only thing they are obligated to do is put out quality content.  That's it.  Everything else is just extra.  

 

Just because they don't give you free **** does not mean that they are screwing you over.

[hedop85]

Are you really telling you think those DLC's are worth 45 bucks ?

[Realmzmaster]

Are you really telling you think those DLC's are worth 45 bucks ?

 

What one thinks they are worth and what they are selling for is two different things. The point of being a consumer is to make decisions. If you think the price is too high you do not buy. You wait for the product to go on sale to a price one is willing to pay or you forego the product.

 

A video game and its dlc are not a necessity. Video games fall under the category of luxury item that is usually bought with discretionary income.

[Wolven_Soul]

Are you really telling you think those DLC's are worth 45 bucks ?

 

No, I don't, at least not the first two, but that is entirely besides the point.

[FKA_Servo]

Are you really telling you think those DLC's are worth 45 bucks ?

 

For me, each one individually was worth $15 when I purchased them months apart. Even I would probably consider the purchase for a while if I were buying them all at once though. If I waited this long already, then I'd probably just wait a little longer for them to go on sale. That seems like sensible advice.

 

For you - no, they're certainly not worth $45. But considering how much you seem to dislike the base game, they're not worth whatever discount you're whining for either.

[themikefest]

I will buy the game of the year edition probably at the start of the new year. By that time the price might be $40.

[hedop85]

It's insane... they have everything Dragon Age on massive discount now... all except the GOTY edition and of course any of the DLC's. I mean... jesus you can buy my version of the game for less than 20 bucks now, even digital premium is only 25 bucks yet absolutely no discounts whatsoever on the DLC's. How can they in all honesty not just cut 50% of? Or... how about offering the discount upgrade I was rooting for for this time period?