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[Kazu972]

Hi Everyone

 

I wonder if Chaotic focus works now witch firemine upgrade (flaming array) thanks to the recent patch ?

And if chaotic focus bonus damage stack or works well with strength of spirit ?

 

Please forgive my english i'm French lol

[PawsPause]

I did my own testing with strength of spirits and chaotic focus and did not see a change in damage. Even with chaotic focus alone, i did not see a change nor a depletion of barrier to strengthen fire mine. Strenght of spirits doesnt even work. With SoS, depletion took 7:82 seconds. Without SoS, depletion was the same, 7:82 seconds. 

[Evelynne]

I did my own testing with strength of spirits and chaotic focus and did not see a change in damage. Even with chaotic focus alone, i did not see a change nor a depletion of barrier to strengthen fire mine. Strenght of spirits doesnt even work. With SoS, depletion took 7:82 seconds. Without SoS, depletion was the same, 7:82 seconds. 

 

Are you checking your Attributes to see if its actually the same amount? Preconceptions to Barrier Depletion may be wrong, because this would probably be noticed prior to this point in the game's life span.

 

Also @OP

 

Chaotic Focus doesn't work that way. Its a percentage exchange, not a Percent-to-Value one. It doesn't matter what either value actually is, Chaotic Focus depletes 50% of current Barrier, and increases your damage by a scaling Percentage based on how much out of 100% was taken.

 

If it simply transferred values... it wouldn't be that great because we need to remember that Barrier over 5000, is kind of a hard to reach stat-point. You'd be lucky to make 4k total barrier by the end of the game -- which means that you're getting a flat less than 2k damage added on whenever it drains 50% of your barrier.

[PawsPause]

Are you checking your Attributes to see if its actually the same amount? Preconceptions to Barrier Depletion may be wrong, because this would probably be noticed prior to this point in the game's life span.

 

 

Yes. I have 20 videos saved...i know its overdoing it lol but the damage numbers arent really changing. Im using the inferno pact belt and the numbers i constantly get is from 12,000 to 14,000 and im not fully crafted to my potential. WIthout mods id like to see what numbers other people get. And some insight on whats really going on because the description of chaotic focus and SoS is pretty simple, but give whacky results. Also to add, The knight protector passive on my end seems to not work either? I hardly see a difference in depletion time. Or i just have the buggiest copy/patch to date out of everyone lol. My golden nug has disappeared, and still no amulet of barrier

[Evelynne]

I'm not talking about the damage output, I'm talking about the Barrier Value under Defensive.

[ottffsse]

It definately works with the searing glyph upgrade but not flame array. But CF DOES NOT increase your max barrier by 50% like it is supposed to in the description, only SoS does that. So to have biggest barrier and biggest bonus you still have to have both passives. In my opinion not worth it. Just use flame array and max crit damage and chance. Only a few classes (KE) will have luxury and incentive to take both SoS and CF passives. 

 

Note: largest barrier I could get was with a masterwork critical crafting crafted lyrium infused staff at 92 base damage and both passives, then barrier is at 6892 or something like that just under 7K. You can double that value with a lyrium sigil and see what you get on the firemine, but only searing glyph I guess. 

 

And a qunari with Cretahl Vitaar on will have an additional 24 damage base so potentially 116 damage base. So probably about max 8,5K barrier with both passives and without lyrium sigil. 

[Kazu972]

ok thank you

 

And for a KE i should use CF with SG or not use CF and takes FA ?

i'm planning to use immolate too

 

So SOS doesn't increase damage isn't it ?

[ottffsse]

A KE should take Strength of Spirits as it is an important perk to boost their barriers. AND because the skills prior to SoS (Guardian Spirit) and Mind Blast is quite good on KE if you are close range. With mind Blast you can detonate frozen enemies if you use Mana Surge or Ice mine array. Now CF is probably optional but I would take it on KE once I have a spare ability point. It is good for both immolate and SG,AND because flame array while very good sometimes glitches and does 1 damage.

[Kazu972]

Ok but why doesn't use Immolate or EB for detonate ?

 

I want use this : http://www.rpg-gamin...22332846156463a

 

Any advices about this build ?

 

Empty Slot is for Mark of the rift

[ottffsse]

Ok but why doesn't use Immolate or EB for detonate ?

 

I want use this : http://www.rpg-gamin...22332846156463a

 

Any advices about this build ?

 

Empty Slot is for Mark of the rift

It is solid build. As I said you may have a problem though in NM mode without the additional barrier without strength of spirits, but as a strong group it should be no problem. 

[PapaCharlie9]

I did my own testing with strength of spirits and chaotic focus and did not see a change in damage. Even with chaotic focus alone, i did not see a change nor a depletion of barrier to strengthen fire mine. Strenght of spirits doesnt even work. With SoS, depletion took 7:82 seconds. Without SoS, depletion was the same, 7:82 seconds. 

Wow, the relevant thread fell all the way to page 5. Seems like yesterday when we were talking about this ...

 

In my own testing, Chaotic Focus works fine with Fire Mine/Searing Glyph (but not Fire Array) and Immolate, with additional damage noted.

 

There is a bug with Chaotic Focus that hits some people depending on when they upgraded and what state their saves were in. For some people, the CF bonus is applied even when you don't have a barrier! See details here:

 

http://forum.bioware...-chaotic-focus/