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[Inquisitor_Jonah]

I feel like my feelings can be accurately portraid best by hissing gifs:

 

 

 

Amen to that

[Queen Skadi]

Nope. Personality is not either, basically the character is still mine although BW gives out lines. If I compare my Shepards together they have lot of differences beyond appearance and gender. If you compare Witcher's Geralts together, well they are still always Geralt. And I don't want to play as Geralt.

 

Why does it always come back to Geralt? I believe the game I was referencing was Jade Empire not the Witcher, but on the subject of the Witcher while I do prefer a game that allows me to create my own character the Witcher series is a damn good series and it does not bother me as much that I am playing a pre-defined character as at least the games drop the pretense that I am not playing a pre-defined character unlike Bioware games.

 

I mean apart from appearance, gender and sexual orientation you have as much freedom to "define Geralt's personality" as you do a Bioware protagonist.

[KaiserShep]

I feel like my feelings can be accurately portraid best by hissing gifs:
 

 

 

XD

[PrinceofTime]

hmmmmmm

[Felya87]

Why take away the fun? Playng with the CC is a little minigame on itself. And with how well turned out DAI's CC (hair/eyebrows/beards aside) I would never want for BioWare to drop it. I was basically screaming in rage when I found out in JE I couldn't have a real CC. (than I screamed in rage because the controls were pure fine rubbish. Couldn't go paste few hours, even if I really liked the story)

 

I could somehow forgive Kotor because of the years on its back, but I would never go back to preset models, expecially those you can't modify. I still have some hate for FemShep and Hawke presets, since those had the best hairstyles who weren't present in the CC (really, why?!! ). I like to create my own characters. I liked FemShep preset face overall, but not the red hair. Liked Hawke face, but not the blue electric eyes.

I would feel too limited by preset models, since usually even if I can like the face, I will surely not like the colours.

So no. Not ever. I would loose a good chunk of interest in BioWare with the return to presets to choose instead of CC. I'm all to have many models to start from or to use for those who don't dig the CC, but I know even those who don't like to work too much on the CC may like to change hair and colour.

So I think every preset in the CC must possible to modify.

[CYRAX470]

I say keep full customization options. Been around for all 3 games, let's not remove it. I would like the option to customize a default face though. I used the default male Shepard in all 3 ME games, just wanted to change is his hair style.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

I mean how much control over defining your character do you really want in these games? Bioware already seems to like saddling their protagonists with a past and prior family and friendships that the player care little about so they can bring it up in throw away dialogue in order to constantly remind you that you are playing their character and not your own, they also limit your actions to fall within the spectrum of the heroic type of character they want you to play, so what point does allowing us to customize the look of our character really serve?

 

I mean if you think about it having so many options in character creation (like having either short hair or short-medium hair) it makes it impossible for other characters in the world to reference our character by what they look like due to the amount of variables the writers would have to account for. Looking back to Jade Empire you will see there is only 3 appearance options for each gender (males: The big guy with the braided ponytail, the guy with the dragon tattoo and the guy with blue vest and yellow sash) which while still allowing some variation in appearance the limited choice allowed each appearance to be commented on in game.

 

For instance you might come across 2 people talking about you in public

 

Girl 1: "Omg did you see Master Li's star pupil? The one with the Dragon Tattoo? He is like, soooooooooo hawt!"

 

Girl 2: "What the guy with the scar? He is like super ugly and mean!"

 

Girl 1 "No that is Gao the Lesser who is the protagonist's rival so he is like super ugly and mean, I was talking about the protagonist who has the dragon tattoo who is super hawt and kewl, winky face"

 

Girl 2: " Oh yeah he is super hawt and kewl, I totally want to bang his brains out, winky face"

 

by limiting the options it allows the characters in the game to react to the player's characters appearance, it breaks mah immershun when all the characters in the game want to bang my character despite looking like this,

 

 

Should Biware drop the pretense and just go with fully defined characters?

You spent the whole game trying to get the Crucible super weapon constructed, when one blue steel pout from that would of melted the Reapers.

[RanetheViking]

Yes, I'd be fine with that. Plus the butthurt outcry would be deliciously exquisite.

[Glaso]

But there are preset characters. The ones you see on the box art.

[Gannayev of Dreams]

I don't care one way or the other. I only ever used the default face for MShep, and in ME3 FShep.

 

DA:I was a different case. I always customized my characters. Probably because there are so many particulars involved with non-human features.

[Hazegurl]

I personally don't mind set protags, I actually think they make a stronger story. But if BW offered a set ptotag like Geralt or something. No matter how well written s/he is, people will complain, complain, complain with dashes of whatever personal politics they have thrown in for good measure.  It's better to avoid that derailing train.

[Panda]

Why does it always come back to Geralt? I believe the game I was referencing was Jade Empire not the Witcher, but on the subject of the Witcher while I do prefer a game that allows me to create my own character the Witcher series is a damn good series and it does not bother me as much that I am playing a pre-defined character as at least the games drop the pretense that I am not playing a pre-defined character unlike Bioware games.

 

I mean apart from appearance, gender and sexual orientation you have as much freedom to "define Geralt's personality" as you do a Bioware protagonist.

 

Because popular game and easy to use as comparison. I was thinking of using Adam Jensen as well, but I believe Geralt is more known. I could have also used Lara Croft, Faith, Corvo..

 

Game can be good even if you are playing with someone elses character (set protagonist) and often narrative is stronger then. But roleplaying not so much. It will not be my character in the end and there is high changes some players find set protagonist unlikeable and his/her looks unattractive. That's why games where you do your own protagonist are very popular as well, it gives lot more roleplaying opportunities.

[mickey111]

Nope. Personality is not either, basically the character is still mine although BW gives out lines. If I compare my Shepards together they have lot of differences beyond appearance and gender. If you compare Witcher's Geralts together, well they are still always Geralt. And I don't want to play as Geralt.

 

You are wrong.

 

The witcher series asks you to take a stand for or against many things. Do I want to help Iorveth or Roche? Dandelion or or the spymaster? Do I help the spymaster turn against roche? Do I want to go with Triss, or Yennifer, or Shani?

 

You're just salty because you can change Geralts appearance if your definition of RPG is something to go on. Your comaring of Geralt to Corvo, Lara and Faith just proves the point further.

[lauramars]

[N172]

When they have customisation options (wich is most likely) they should go all the way, they made it possible to make shepard older than it made sense, so there is no reson why we should not also have the option for things like pink skin, green hair and white eyes (ME3 can do this without mods, they just did not give you the option).
They can still do their color list, but they should add an actual colorpicker.

[Panda]

You are wrong.

 

The witcher series asks you to take a stand for or against many things. Do I want to help Iorveth or Roche? Dandelion or or the spymaster? Do I help the spymaster turn against roche? Do I want to go with Triss, or Yennifer, or Shani?

 

You're just salty because you can change Geralts appearance if your definition of RPG is something to go on. Your comaring of Geralt to Corvo, Lara and Faith just proves the point further.

 

I'm not set protagonist is always set protagonist even if you can make some choices with him/her. It's still not your character. If Shepard would always be John Shepard then it would be set protagonist. He wouldn't be my character even if I could chose LI for him. He can't be my character same way Ace, Dice and Spades are.

[Queen Skadi]

 

Because popular game and easy to use as comparison. I was thinking of using Adam Jensen as well, but I believe Geralt is more known. I could have also used Lara Croft, Faith, Corvo..

 

Game can be good even if you are playing with someone elses character (set protagonist) and often narrative is stronger then. But roleplaying not so much. It will not be my character in the end and there is high changes some players find set protagonist unlikeable and his/her looks unattractive. That's why games where you do your own protagonist are very popular as well, it gives lot more roleplaying opportunities.

 

Note sure you really understand what roleplaying is, being able to modify your character's appearance in Bioware games opens up absolutely no roleplaying opportunities at all, sure you can create a character that looks ugly or has red hair but it does not matter what your character looks like in game as it does not change how other characters react to your character nor does it open up any new "roleplaying opportunities", dialogue options or alternate paths to follow, the game is always the same no matter how your character looks and every character in the game will still want to bang yours despite their massive underbite.

 

I'm not set protagonist is always set protagonist even if you can make some choices with him/her. It's still not your character.

 

And just because you can change the character's first name (which is never actually referenced or changes anything in game) and appearance (which again has no effect on anything in the game) does not make the character yours. Bioware give them a background, past relationships, families and prior experiences that mean nothing to the player playing them which makes them Bioware's characters and not the player's. What is that you say? You hate that mother figure Bioware saddled the protagonist with without the player's input? Well you can go suck a doodle because Hawke loves their mother and will display maudlin emotion when she gets turned into frankenbride, because this is Bioware's character and not yours!

 

I am not trying to argue that Geralt is somehow not a set protagonist because you get a degree of control over his appearance and actions, as I said before while I do prefer games that allow me to create my own character I appreciate set-protagonists more when they drop the pretense and don't try to claim the character is somehow not a set-protagonist. But don't try to fool yourself into thinking that just because you can change a character's first name and appearance that this makes them any less of a set-character, Shepard has always been and will always be Bioware's character no matter how hard you try to delude yourself into thinking otherwise.

[Fantastic Fantasy]

I mean how much control over defining your character do you really want in these games? Bioware already seems to like saddling their protagonists with a past and prior family and friendships that the player care little about so they can bring it up in throw away dialogue in order to constantly remind you that you are playing their character and not your own, they also limit your actions to fall within the spectrum of the heroic type of character they want you to play, so what point does allowing us to customize the look of our character really serve?

 

I mean if you think about it having so many options in character creation (like having either short hair or short-medium hair) it makes it impossible for other characters in the world to reference our character by what they look like due to the amount of variables the writers would have to account for. Looking back to Jade Empire you will see there is only 3 appearance options for each gender (males: The big guy with the braided ponytail, the guy with the dragon tattoo and the guy with blue vest and yellow sash) which while still allowing some variation in appearance the limited choice allowed each appearance to be commented on in game.

 

For instance you might come across 2 people talking about you in public

 

Girl 1: "Omg did you see Master Li's star pupil? The one with the Dragon Tattoo? He is like, soooooooooo hawt!"

 

Girl 2: "What the guy with the scar? He is like super ugly and mean!"

 

Girl 1 "No that is Gao the Lesser who is the protagonist's rival so he is like super ugly and mean, I was talking about the protagonist who has the dragon tattoo who is super hawt and kewl, winky face"

 

Girl 2: " Oh yeah he is super hawt and kewl, I totally want to bang his brains out, winky face"

 

by limiting the options it allows the characters in the game to react to the player's characters appearance, it breaks mah immershun when all the characters in the game want to bang my character despite looking like this,

 

 

Should Biware drop the pretense and just go with fully defined characters?

 

I'd hit that.

[sunnydxmen]

no in thats the bottom line understand.

[Gonder]

No, mostly because it destroys half or more what is worth replaying the game for. If your character does not appear differently, then it will never feel, or look the same (as in, it will no longer feel unique. You may as well be playing as the exact same person, just with a different personality). Other than that, it will stop females from playing females, which is not a first, although, for an RPG, it is most often a better choice to allow both genders to be playable. Some people find it easier to fit themselves into the life of a character that, for starters, matches with their own gender. I, personally, am not good at playing as the opposite gender.

 

Besides, no matter how you changed your appearance, Commander Shepard was Commander Shepard. Same voice, same choices, custom appearances just gave having more than one save a lot more depth. Both genders had their pre-set appearances, and I would have thought that it was fine enough.

Modifié par Gonder, 10 octobre 2015 - 02:26 .

[PlatonicWaffles]

Nah. Maybe as an option like in the original Trilogy where you could have default ManShep and default FemShep, but it shouldn't change anything about the game's story.

[Queen Skadi]

Other than that, it will stop females from playing females, which is not a first, although, for an RPG, it is most often a better choice to allow both genders to be playable. Some people find it easier to fit themselves into the life of a character that, for starters, matches with their own gender. I, personally, am not good at playing as the opposite gender.

 

Does anyone actually read threads anymore? Despite the fewer appearance options you still got to choose between male and female, you had 3 options for each gender (4 for male if you count the special edition monk skin)

 

Oooooohhhh that reminds me of another benefit of the system (well for Bioware, not the consumer, but then when do game developers implement anything that benefits the player these days?), if you limit the appearance options to unique but unchangable models you can also sell off character skin DLC! I mean why do you think Fable Legends decided to go with pre-defined characters as opposed to allowing the player to customize their own? So they can sell off characters as DLC like all those mobas the kids seem to love now days!

[Hazegurl]

I'm not set protagonist is always set protagonist even if you can make some choices with him/her. It's still not your character. If Shepard would always be John Shepard then it would be set protagonist. He wouldn't be my character even if I could chose LI for him. He can't be my character same way Ace, Dice and Spades are.

In that case the IQ, Shepard, Warden et al are never your character even if you can make choices for them.  They're always BW's character. 

 

Making choices for the character is exactly what roleplaying is.  It's not just about customizing a character and naming them, it's the ability to jump into another role and play it out. That is what you do with any rpg PC, Geralt included.  Sure, you can't change his past, Geralt will always have a point in his past where he loved Yennefer.  However, presently, you can decide if Geralt still loves her or if he wishes to move on with Triss, or perhaps decide that he loves neither.  The motivations of the player and the choices presented to shape the character is what makes it an rpg.

[KaiserShep]

Oooooohhhh that reminds me of another benefit of the system (well for Bioware, not the consumer, but then when do game developers implement anything that benefits the player these days?), if you limit the appearance options to unique but unchangable models you can also sell off character skin DLC! I mean why do you think Fable Legends decided to go with pre-defined characters as opposed to allowing the player to customize their own? So they can sell off characters as DLC like all those mobas the kids seem to love now days!

 

 

This only makes it worse. 

[KotorEffect3]

There is a reason I never played as Sheploo.  I want my character to be my character.  I don't mind a pre set background but I want to determine how they look and what their gender is.