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[KaiserShep]

Pretty sure the Mass Effect experience would not have been effected much by the loss of the character creator.

It's not like the character creator was invented for Mass Effect. Other games already had that feature beforehand, and also, if Dragon Age still used it, people would bring it up and wonder why BioWare skimped on that feature. As one who is more of a DA fan, it would simply make me like the franchise a bit less. In any case, I think it's a bit too late to back out of offering it now, especially since BioWare's most recent title already laid the groundwork for the CC in the new engine they're using. There's no good reason for them not to use it. 

[straykat]

Graphically, it was the realistic visuals of Default Shep's face and it's retro sci-fi look that sold me at first (that and I was already a Bioware fan). Xbox 360 was still new and Default Shep was a big allure for it..

 

The CC is a staple nowadays, but it wasn't quite that yet then. It was just starting to get interesting with sports titles, some RPGs, and Tony Hawk type games. Most RPGs before had a selection of basic presets, like WoW/Morrowind/Kotor/etc..

[Jewellzify]

Overreacting a bit here aren't we? "The character creator is fundamental in a ME game"? Honestly it feels like something that was begrudgingly added at the last minute, with the limited options given I am not sure why they even bothered, "would you like the short hair or the shorter hair? Full Beard? What the **** is that?", sure female characters have a slightly more unique selection of hairstyles but even then apart from a few of them most of them still look pretty much the same.

 

Pretty sure the Mass Effect experience would not have been effected much by the loss of the character creator.

 

Overracting... No.. Stating the obvious.. Yeah.. Bioware's main focus for their games is player choice. It has always been that in a Bioware game, you will create a character to make your own and then play that character as you choose...So yeah a CC is fundamental in a Bioware game.. Bioware would not cheapen itself by just throwing in random characters and say "here ya go, these are your new options.. no chance to customize yourself.." They may as well remove the convo wheel if they go along with your standards... Just sayin'  

 

 

The issue for Bioware's CC options is due to rendering issues and time constraint.. They have to make sure that every hair works with every type of armor and casual items and those they can't get to work may get scrapped due to time.. Would I love to see a new CC in ME:A, absolutely, but I will also keep in mind that there could be some issues with trying to achieve that goal.. but I am positive that that does not warrant trashing the CC all together... Sure there have been lots of CC in lots of games.... but each game company is different and they should not be painted with the same brush.. Bioware may not have been the first to use the CC, but they were the first to make our gaming choices matter... 

[Hazegurl]

Overracting... No.. Stating the obvious.. Yeah.. Bioware's main focus for their games is player choice. It has always been that in a Bioware game, you will create a character to make your own and then play that character as you choose...So yeah a CC is fundamental in a Bioware game.. Bioware would not cheapen itself by just throwing in random characters and say "here ya go, these are your new options.. no chance to customize yourself.." They may as well remove the convo wheel if they go along with your standards... Just sayin'  

Fundamental?  I highly doubt it. Player choice has nothing at all to do with a CC and more to do with the dialogue and story choice options.  I'm not saying you shouldn't have a CC, but calling it fundamental to the game to the point where it's comparable to not having dialogue options is too extreme.  I think that BW should just do what they did before, give us a face scanned model for those of us who want it, and a CC for those who want it.

[Jewellzify]

Fundamental?  I highly doubt it. Player choice has nothing at all to do with a CC and more to do with the dialogue and story choice options.  I'm not saying you shouldn't have a CC, but calling it fundamental to the game to the point where it's comparable to not having dialogue options is too extreme.  I think that BW should just do what they did before, give us a face scanned model for those of us who want it, and a CC for those who want it.

 

Yes, but you can choose which default character to use, yes? So by choosing  which default to use, you have player choice... Allowing players to change the appearance of said defaults to our choosing is also player choices... Ergo, CC is fundamental to keeping players choices matter... If you would rather use a pre-made default, fine by all means, that is your choice, but don't suggest that it should be removed completely...

[Incantrix]

No, I already have issues with maintaining interest in preset characters already .

[EpicNewb]

Yes, make the pro Dan Bilzerian

[Hazegurl]

Yes, but you can choose which default character to use, yes? So by choosing  which default to use, you have player choice... Allowing players to change the appearance of said defaults to our choosing is also player choices... Ergo, CC is fundamental to keeping players choices matter... If you would rather use a pre-made default, fine by all means, that is your choice, but don't suggest that it should be removed completely...

A CC is not the same as being able to cure the genophage, kill Wrex, or side with the Geth over the Quarians. Even without a CC the player would still have plenty of choices.  So the lack of a CC does not suddenly render player choice obsolete.  You just won't have that one choice.  

[Jewellzify]

A CC is not the same as being able to cure the genophage, kill Wrex, or side with the Geth over the Quarians. Even without a CC the player would still have plenty of choices.  So the lack of a CC does not suddenly render player choice obsolete.  You just won't have that one choice.  

 

True, however when you remove one choice it's not long before the others fade away as well.. In my opinion, Bioware should stay true to what they have always done.. provide a CC with defaults for people that don't like creating a character and keep letting the gamer decide how to play out the story.. As I said, if players want to use a default, please by all means use a default, but do not suggest they scrap the CC all together when in reality, what your asking has already been met...Use the default or make your own..

[Hazegurl]

That's a slippery slope argument.

 

But I do agree that BW should keep the CC and offer a face scanned default.

[straykat]

 

 

But I do agree that BW should keep the CC and offer a face scanned default.

 

Yeah, just do the same thing old ME did. Don't fix what isn't broken. The main benefit now is that the CC will be slightly better and textures in general improved for both CC and default faces.

[Queen Skadi]

True, however when you remove one choice

 

Like the choice to define your own surname and background?

[Jewellzify]

Like the choice to define your own surname and background?

 

1. Yes, Bioware provided a pre-set surname in all games.. However , in DA you can choose between 4 different surnames.. where as in Mass Effect, Shepherd was it... Why? Well, how else are the companions supposed to address you besides you ranks (ie: "commander" and "inquistor"). By adding pre-set surnames, it makes convos between the protag and companions a little more personal and adds depth to the story...

 

2. You have a choice of a background in ME, several in fact.. you can be a mix of Earthborn, Spacer, or Colonist.. Then you have Ruthless, Sole Survivor, or War Hero.. As for DA:O you can choose from a noble human backstory, a noble dwarf, commoner dwarf, city elf or dalish elf.. In DA:2 you got a preset backstory for Hawke, as well as for the Inquistor in DA:I...

 

As I said previously NUMEROUS times, if you want to use a preset default fine, please do so... but don't suggest that the CC be scrapped just because YOU don't want to use it.. Many Bioware fans love the CC and intend to use it... Myself included.. In my opinion, the CC makes playing Bioware games more special and adds depth to the game I want to play.. Again, still not sure why this is an argument anyway.. Bioware PROVIDES you with DEFAULTS... USE THEM if you wish OR make your OWN customized character... Making defaults the only option is a bad idea.. I stand behind my opinion... 

[straykat]

Shepard was a good neutral name..worked for either gender, and it paid homage to Alan Shepard. The whole astronaut hero thing was what they were paying homage to. That's the reason for the surname. They did it for tons of names. Grissom, Gagarin, etc.. You're not meant to be a random name in this setting.

[GoldenGail3]

Nope.

[KaiserShep]

Like the choice to define your own surname and background?

 

This serves to avoid a much more immediate complication, being how to establish your character in the world and be able to interact with people without them constantly avoiding calling you by some sort of title or name. There's no issue remotely similar to this when it comes to the character creator. The most to worry about there is animation issues and no direct references to appearance, the latter of which can be just as well irrelevant depending on a certain physical trait that is written into the character, like, say, a cybernetic limb or some sort of marking that the character could not avoid getting or something like that. Mundane things like hair or eye color are not important. 

[Queen Skadi]

1. Yes, Bioware provided a pre-set surname in all games.. However , in DA you can choose between 4 different surnames.. where as in Mass Effect, Shepherd was it... Why? Well, how else are the companions supposed to address you besides you ranks (ie: "commander" and "inquistor"). By adding pre-set surnames, it makes convos between the protag and companions a little more personal and adds depth to the story...

 

2. You have a choice of a background in ME, several in fact.. you can be a mix of Earthborn, Spacer, or Colonist.. Then you have Ruthless, Sole Survivor, or War Hero.. As for DA:O you can choose from a noble human backstory, a noble dwarf, commoner dwarf, city elf or dalish elf.. In DA:2 you got a preset backstory for Hawke, as well as for the Inquistor in DA:I...

 

As I said previously NUMEROUS times, if you want to use a preset default fine, please do so... but don't suggest that the CC be scrapped just because YOU don't want to use it.. Many Bioware fans love the CC and intend to use it... Myself included.. In my opinion, the CC makes playing Bioware games more special and adds depth to the game I want to play.. Again, still not sure why this is an argument anyway.. Bioware PROVIDES you with DEFAULTS... USE THEM if you wish OR make your OWN customized character... Making defaults the only option is a bad idea.. I stand behind my opinion... 

 

It seems you have missed the point of the thread, you seem to support the idea of forcing pre-defined surnames and backgrounds on the player character merely for the sake of allowing other characters in the world to reference irrelevant tid-bits about the character you are playing (reminding you that it is not your character you are playing) yet ironically are firmly against this when it comes to appearance?

 

Do you honestly not see the hypocrisy? In all honesty I don't expect you would as I doubt you even want to see it but I have already been over this with II Divo, go back a couple of pages and read it if you are interested but I don't expect you will.

[KaiserShep]

It seems you have missed the point of the thread, you seem to support the idea of forcing pre-defined surnames and backgrounds on the player character merely for the sake of allowing other characters in the world to reference irrelevant tid-bits about the character you are playing (reminding you that it is not your character you are playing) yet ironically are firmly against this when it comes to appearance?

 

That's not really a fair comparison though, because pre-defined surnames and titles are a necessity of the format. If dialogue was text-based, then it would be simple, but voiced NPC's, particularly those that get to know the PC on a more personal level, have to be able to call them something. 

[Jewellzify]

It seems you have missed the point of the thread, you seem to support the idea of forcing pre-defined surnames and backgrounds on the player character merely for the sake of allowing other characters in the world to reference irrelevant tid-bits about the character you are playing (reminding you that it is not your character you are playing) yet ironically are firmly against this when it comes to appearance?

 

Do you honestly not see the hypocrisy? In all honesty I don't expect you would as I doubt you even want to see it but I have already been over this with II Divo, go back a couple of pages and read it if you are interested but I don't expect you will.

 

I'm not being hypocritical, I'm simply standing behind my choice to create my character my way.. If you want to get into the nitty gritty of it all, you are playing a thought out character in an outlined story plot no matter what you choose.. However, ITS A CHOICE TO CREATE A CHARACTER AND CHOOSE HOW TO PLAY (ie: decisions, romances, banter, etc..)!! Bioware provides those of you that do not want to create a character with defaults to play with, so I'm not sure why this is such a big deal for you that you needed to create a thread basically stating that the CC should be scrapped to meet your needs which were already being met regardless.. 

 

Also, don't presume to know people just based on opinionated posts.. I have read your thread in its entirety and I am simply posting my opinion like so many others.. Since you are the OP of this thread and obviously dislike when others disagree with you, perhaps you should remove the thread.. There's no need to get snide just because someone posts their opinions.. just sayin'  

[Queen Skadi]

That's not really a fair comparison though, because pre-defined surnames and titles are a necessity of the format. If dialogue was text-based, then it would be simple, but voiced NPC's, particularly those that get to know the PC on a more personal level, have to be able to call them something. 

 

Because nothing says romance like calling your lover by their last name? That said the characters of Inquisition seem to manage fine without needing to reference the last name of your  character, mostly it is either "Inquisitor" or "Herald", the last name is rarely even mentioned, hell I don't think Cullen even mentions it once even during his romance arc.

[Queen Skadi]

Also, don't presume to know people just based on opinionated posts.. I have read your thread in its entirety

 

Are you sure about that? You still seem to be missing the point so I can't imagine that you have read the thread in it's entirety, it is not snide to point out how badly the point is going over your head, I am merely trying to help you get the information you need in order to make a more informed post regarding the subject of the thread.

[straykat]

Because nothing says romance like calling your lover by their last name? That said the characters of Inquisition seem to manage fine without needing to reference the last name of your  character, mostly it is either "Inquisitor" or "Herald", the last name is rarely even mentioned, hell I don't think Cullen even mentions it once even during his romance arc.

 

I didn't play a lot of DAI, but that's funny about Cullen. Because he's the only one I remember calling me Trevelyan in another quest.

[Queen Skadi]

I didn't play a lot of DAI, but that's funny about Cullen. Because he's the only one I remember calling me Trevelyan in another quest.

 

 

I don't see the last name mentioned, I mean he might mention it in some obscure throwaway dialogue somewhere in the game, I don't know, however the point is it really does not come up often and certainly not often enough to be a vital part of the experience, it seems the writers have found other ways to manage without needing other characters in the game to constantly reference your character's last name.

[straykat]

Oh, I'm not doubting you. And I never romanced him. I only played a male. He called me Trevelyan during the quest... err... to see Alexius/Recliffe.

 

I wouldn't mind a feature (like FO4) that takes into account first names, but I don't expect it. My beef with DAI in general is that all of the PC backstories suck. They can't even get that right. So asking for first names is like shooting for the stars. Might've been better if it was designed like intended, with human only detailed backstories.

[KaiserShep]

Because nothing says romance like calling your lover by their last name? That said the characters of Inquisition seem to manage fine without needing to reference the last name of your  character, mostly it is either "Inquisitor" or "Herald", the last name is rarely even mentioned, hell I don't think Cullen even mentions it once even during his romance arc.

See, but this is a different argument entirely. I'm not totally opposed to a fixed first name, because I've come to terms with the limitations of the current system. However, at the same time, the character's appearance is something I can have some level of control over with negligible to zero effect on everything else, and it's fun to personalize the PC's facial features. This is why I don't think that the comparison works. One directly affects a meaningful aspect of the game and the other does not.