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[Leliana]

Well, I'd just like to point out that Bioware seems to like making Morrigan a recurring character (even more so if Kieran is involved no?). My main point of discussion here is that whether she knows it or not, somehow some way Morrigan has to continue where Flemeth was stopped, carry on the essence of Mythal. (Before Trespasser it wasn't clear whether or not Solas kills Flemeth/Mythal in the post-credits scene, but now when we see his petrification ability it's safe to assume that it's lethal, then again he didn't really 'kill' Mythal as Flemeth isn't really Mythal but rather a crucible for her essence.) We already knew of how the 'Witch of the Wilds' bred her 'daughters' and then 'took over their bodies' so that she can be immortal, well I'm not saying this is fact but isn't it rather likely that that is simply her (Flemeth and all those who harboured Mythal) guaranteeing someone else to carry on in their stead? As far as we know the person Flemeth is dead and Mythal has no physical presence, Solas most likely did that because he knew she'd never agree to his plan all the while taking the Old God soul she had. (Now that his Orb is destroyed, perhaps his plan to destroy the veil involves the Old God souls?)

 

Pardon me if this is a disorganized ramble but I'm just trying to clarify what I feel is going to be rather essential to the story in the coming titles, I think we haven't seen the last of Mythal and that Morrigan may very likely be her next vessel and she will play a great role in opposing Solas's plan. (This would also place great significance on who drinks from the Well of Sorrows, because if Morrigan drinks then all this would be much easier for her and if Quizie drank from it Morrigan's gonna be all 'I ****** told you'. Bioware likes tying pivotal decisions in previous games to impact future games in whatever way.) Please tell me what you think of my theorization and feel free to share your thoughts on this topic whatever they may be.

 

- L

[vbibbi]

My theory is that we won't see Morrigan again until DA5. OR in the case that Claudia Black doesn't come back (hopefully not but it's always a possibility for multi-year projects) Morrigan passed on Flemeth's essence to one of her sisters. There's a possibility we'll meet another witch in DA4, maybe in Rivain, but I think the major Solas plot won't come to fruition in the next game, so Morrigan's role will wait until then, as well.

[LightningPoodle]

Morrigan is the catalyst for us players to the lore and history of the Elven people. There is a lot there for BioWare to still work on. So long as there is lore to tell, Morrigan will likely be around to tell it.

[Serza]

I agree with the Nightingale.

 

P.S.: Read that in Leli's voice. Pretty good.

[Leliana]

I agree with the Nightingale.

 

P.S.: Read that in Leli's voice. Pretty good.

Yay! :3

[leaguer of one]

Marrigan had been said buy the writing team as the heart and soul of dragon age... Pradon me if I say"duh".

[Big I]

Here's some Morrigan spoilers from datamined Inquisition info.

 

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Flemeth's plan was to have Morrigan as her heir and pass her godhood onto her. That's what Flemeth was sending through the mirror in the final scene of the main game; Solas got her accumulated power, but Flemeth preserved her divine nature to be passed onto Morrigan. Whether that means Morrigan becoming the vessel of Mythal or becoming a new "god" is unclear.

 

If you ask OGB Kieran about Morrigan he'll call her "the inheritor, the one who awaits the coming of the next age." He's probably refering to Flemeth's plan.

[robertthebard]

Well, I'd just like to point out that Bioware seems to like making Morrigan a recurring character (even more so if Kieran is involved no?). My main point of discussion here is that whether she knows it or not, somehow some way Morrigan has to continue where Flemeth was stopped, carry on the essence of Mythal. (Before Trespasser it wasn't clear whether or not Solas kills Flemeth/Mythal in the post-credits scene, but now when we see his petrification ability it's safe to assume that it's lethal, then again he didn't really 'kill' Mythal as Flemeth isn't really Mythal but rather a crucible for her essence.) We already knew of how the 'Witch of the Wilds' bred her 'daughters' and then 'took over their bodies' so that she can be immortal, well I'm not saying this is fact but isn't it rather likely that that is simply her (Flemeth and all those who harboured Mythal) guaranteeing someone else to carry on in their stead? As far as we know the person Flemeth is dead and Mythal has no physical presence, Solas most likely did that because he knew she'd never agree to his plan all the while taking the Old God soul she had. (Now that his Orb is destroyed, perhaps his plan to destroy the veil involves the Old God souls?)
 
Pardon me if this is a disorganized ramble but I'm just trying to clarify what I feel is going to be rather essential to the story in the coming titles, I think we haven't seen the last of Mythal and that Morrigan may very likely be her next vessel and she will play a great role in opposing Solas's plan. (This would also place great significance on who drinks from the Well of Sorrows, because if Morrigan drinks then all this would be much easier for her and if Quizie drank from it Morrigan's gonna be all 'I ****** told you'. Bioware likes tying pivotal decisions in previous games to impact future games in whatever way.) Please tell me what you think of my theorization and feel free to share your thoughts on this topic whatever they may be.
 
- L

Except that, none of it can be essential to coming titles:

Firstly, Morrigan recurred once. In Inquisition, Witch Hunt was fanservice for Wardens that romanced her, just as Kieran is fanservice for the OGB crowd. In some world states, Morrigan will fall off to whatever it is she gets up to because in two games where she was featured, she didn't get her way, potentially: Warden refused the DR, Inquisitor drank from the Well means Morrigan is largely irrelevant to much of anything. Solas now controls the Eluvians, so even that is next to worthless.

However, even just one of these conditions disqualifies her from any significant role, at least in regard to historical events. Could she have some other significance later? Possibly, but it's not "essential".

[Aren]

Honestly i'm not sure about what they want to do with her character,since Gaider was the one who always wrote Morrigan,if he is busy with something else,a new whole project,this means that the character if reused with valid motivation can be wrote by someone else.

But for what reason Morrigan is needed in DA4-5?

It is because of the whole speculation about the Mythal essence?

Why Mythal should be still important for the plot?

Also how many fragments of Mythal exist?

1 to Yavana

1 to Flemeth

1 to some dragon somewhere

we have another Voldemort here.

[Aren]

Flemeth is dead and Mythal has no physical presence, Solas most likely did that because he knew she'd never agree to his plan all the while taking the Old God soul she had. (Now that his Orb is destroyed, perhaps his plan to destroy the veil involves the Old God souls?)

 

 

I give another interpretation,Solas kills Flemeth for two reasons:

1)He needed her power in order to start his plan and become stronger.

2)Solas is the master of the altmer/ancient elves and he cannot tolerate that a human carry the soul of an elven goddess especially Mythal

this lady here is the Mythal that Solas know not that abomination that is Flemeth

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In his eyes this is intolerable(pretty much like Abelas situation),so he killed Flemeth without endanger Mythal or follow Mythal her friend that was beyond the eluvian.

3)Flemeth may never have the old god soul if the Warden choose otherwise,that is the Warden choice,since it cannot exist at all,it is irrelevant

[Aren]

Here's some Morrigan spoilers from datamined Inquisition info.

 

Spoiler

Flemeth's plan was to have Morrigan as her heir and pass her godhood onto her. That's what Flemeth was sending through the mirror in the final scene of the main game; Solas got her accumulated power, but Flemeth preserved her divine nature to be passed onto Morrigan. Whether that means Morrigan becoming the vessel of Mythal or becoming a new "god" is unclear.

 

If you ask OGB Kieran about Morrigan he'll call her "the inheritor, the one who awaits the coming of the next age." He's probably refering to 

this si not canon since gaider said so

http://forum.bioware...derstood/page-3

[SentinelMacDeath]

I'm a little tired of Morrigan actually. I wouldn't mind if she does not show up.

[Miel]

For me, Morrigan is a big piece of the puzzle and I would like to understand one day the meaning of all her actions.

I hope they'll explain it properly one day...

[Darkstarr11]

this si not canon since gaider said so

http://forum.bioware...derstood/page-3

 

Gaider is no longer a writer for DA.  It's up to the new people.  We'll see what they do with this.  Fact is, NOTHING is canon until the next game...and THEN they may alter the lore (AGAIN) to suit the story.  As with a lot of history, we have no idea what the truth is until we actually see something factual...remember, Flemeth said 'Truth is not an end, but a beginning'.  A core element of the series is FAITH...which is defined as a belief in something that you can not see or lacking in physical proof...which is basically something that we as players (and our characters) experience.  We have faith (or we do not) that the DA team will provide us with a compelling story that will give us interesting lore, characters, and setting while giving us enjoyable gameplay to experience.  Our characters have faith (or not) in their various belief systems.  At times we can see the fruits of such, or how it can fail.

 

I have faith that they have bigger plans for Morrigan...but that's all I CAN have at this stage.  I do hope though...she's one of the more interesting characters the series has.  Of course, I also want Velanna back as an LI, as well as SIgrun, so I may be just be out there when it comes to what ACTUALLY could happen.  In any case, I'm hoping that Morrigan becomes a counter point to Solas.  There seems to be the seeds of a rivalry planted between the two heirs to Flemeth/Mythal's legacy...we shall see...

[Big I]

this si not canon since gaider said so

http://forum.bioware...derstood/page-3

 

Sure, maybe it'll go the way of Haestrom from ME2, but it gives some insight into what they were thinking. It's presumably what they told the voice actors for Flemeth and Solas about that scene.

 

Things do change over development. Gaider has said that originally Morrigan wasn't a romance option. So everything that flows from that (life with the Warden, non-OGB Kieran) is stuff they added after coming up with her concept and the DA uber plot.

[Andromelek]

She doesn't want the soul anyway, and she has been incompetent in some aspects, so, why don't they let a chance to shine to her skilled sister who lives in the north? She surely would put up more fight than Morrigan against mad uncle Solas.