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[Dutch's Ghost]

Hakkon spent $12     received 10 hours of gameplay

Descent spent $17    received 8 hours of gameplay

Trespasser spent $17       received 10 hours of gameplay

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Total =    $46                 28hours 

 

 

Dragon Age: Inquisition Deluxe Edition Preorder spent $51         received 130 hours of gameplay on first play-through

 

 

Im posting this right now because Bioware is unfairly increasing the price of their dlcs, i regret the purchases because it made no sense. I wont be buying Bioware dlcs at full-price ever. The witcher 3 is selling DLC at a cheaper price and at a greater value. There is no excuse.

[Nefla]

Arrival? Do you mean Trespasser?

[Dutch's Ghost]

Arrival? Do you mean Trespasser?

 

fixed.

[Guildmasterron]

So go ahead and do that Dutch. Don't buy games when they first come out if the price point is not favorable to you. Frankly, I am fine with what I paid. When DA 4 is available for pre order, I will order it. When the DLCs come out, I will buy them.

 

No excuse? Every company prices products differently. All want to sell at a profit and that is understandable.

 

Enjoy Witcher 3. I've heard good things about it.

[Dutch's Ghost]

So go ahead and do that Dutch. Don't buy games when they first come out if the price point is not favorable to you. Frankly, I am fine with what I paid. When DA 4 is available for pre order, I will order it. When the DLCs come out, I will buy them.

 

No excuse? Every company prices products differently. All want to sell at a profit and that is understandable.

 

Enjoy Witcher 3. I've heard good things about it.

 

So you are willing to pay for DLCs that cost as much as the base game on launch and with lesser content? That just encourages unfair pricing.

[AlanC9]

What's "unfair" about charging whatever people are willing to pay?

[Guitar-Hero]

Don't buy games you dont think are worth the asking price, i bought DAI at full price and i won't  do that again, infact i sold it. Didn't buy any dlc and don't plan to Now DAI isnt terrible just kind of meh in my opinion. TW3 i have no problem buying at full price again and will buy all dlc's because i get more than my moneys worth. Bought MGS5 at full price which i slightly regret but its still a good game.

 

See people have different taste and opinions on what they will spend money on, i think pre-ordering is retarded because you are paying for something you don't know the quality of, just spent 1000 dollars on a beautiful new Martin guitar which is basically just wood and strings and some people find that retarded.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

So go ahead and do that Dutch. Don't buy games when they first come out if the price point is not favorable to you. Frankly, I am fine with what I paid. When DA 4 is available for pre order, I will order it. When the DLCs come out, I will buy them.

 

No excuse? Every company prices products differently. All want to sell at a profit and that is understandable.

 

Enjoy Witcher 3. I've heard good things about it.

>Preorder
Have fun participating in an anti-consumer absolute garbage practice. You can't even wait till day 1?

[DuskWanderer]

 In a voluntarily compliant free market, prices are set based on what the greatest return will be. Supply is irrelevant to a digital good like DLC because it's practically infinite, so it's only going to be based on demand, which goes down as price goes up. The trick is to see how high you can go before you lose people. 

 

The choice, as always, lies with the consumer. The best way to change the behavior of a company is to either buy or not buy. There is nothing "unfair" about the practice of setting a price, that is the business's purview. With the economy in the US going up (at least for now) and with interest rates low, more purchasing happens. The result of that is often inflation.

[NoForgiveness]

I kinda agree... but.... you gotta measure quality of the content, not just quantity. For example, Trespasser had waaaay better content then what the vanilla game had and it was miles better than stupid jaws....

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

I kinda agree... but.... you gotta measure quality of the content, not just quantity. For example, Trespasser had waaaay better content then what the vanilla game had and it was miles better than stupid jaws....

PEople always wana give an hour to dollar ratio and compare it to movies.
both of which are laughable.

[NoForgiveness]

PEople always wana give an hour to dollar ratio and compare it to movies.
both of which are laughable.

Mmmm... It's because of this that we had a game that boasted over 100 hours of gameplay but most of it is boring filler.

[myahele]

I am not much of a gamer anymore, since I typically play one sub-based mmorpg. I have been introduced late to the world of Dragon age (and mass effect) so when I did play they they were all on sale + had dlcs. 

 

DAI is the only game I've preordered and anticipated and will the same for DA4. Other than trespasser I won't be buying any of the dlcs. Afterall, I can spend $15 for a sub that'll last me a whole month vs a DLC I can beat in less than a day

[ShadowLordXII]

 In a voluntarily compliant free market, prices are set based on what the greatest return will be. Supply is irrelevant to a digital good like DLC because it's practically infinite, so it's only going to be based on demand, which goes down as price goes up. The trick is to see how high you can go before you lose people. 

 

The choice, as always, lies with the consumer. The best way to change the behavior of a company is to either buy or not buy. There is nothing "unfair" about the practice of setting a price, that is the business's purview. With the economy in the US going up (at least for now) and with interest rates low, more purchasing happens. The result of that is often inflation.

 

Then you get nonsense like Day-1 DLC and On-Disk DLC...

[AlanC9]

Then you get nonsense like Day-1 DLC and On-Disk DLC...

 

 

Neither of which are actually problems,  OTOH, since a lot of players really want to waste everyone's bandwidth rather than endure these things, it very well may make business sense to  just hold onto the DLC for a few weeks and then put it up for download.

[Beren Von Ostwick]

PEople always wana give an hour to dollar ratio and compare it to movies.
both of which are laughable.

 

Entertainment is entertainment.  It's a valid comparison, as far as I am concerned.  Personally, I find it laughable that someone would get their panties in a twist over 158 hours of entertainment for less than $100.  That is one hell of a bargain. 

 

But hey, okay, let's not do movies.  Let's do a professional (USA) football game.  What would parking, ticket, refreshments, etc cost for a few hours of sitting in a stadium watching some guys run around cost you?  Now the video game is looking like even more of a bargain.

 

To each their own.  If one is finding that Bioware games are no longer worth the price, well they can quit buying them.  Personally, I have not found any lessening of enjoyment.  At all.  Therefore I'll keep throwing money at them because they absolutely deserve it.  My panties remain blissfully untwisted.

[fizzypop]

Entertainment is entertainment.  It's a valid comparison, as far as I am concerned.  Personally, I find it laughable that someone would get their panties in a twist over 158 hours of entertainment for less than $100.  That is one hell of a bargain. 

 

But hey, okay, let's not do movies.  Let's do a professional (USA) football game.  What would parking, ticket, refreshments, etc cost for a few hours of sitting in a stadium watching some guys run around cost you?  Now the video game is looking like even more of a bargain.

 

To each their own.  If one is finding that Bioware games are no longer worth the price, well they can quit buying them.  Personally, I have not found any lessening of enjoyment.  At all.  Therefore I'll keep throwing money at them because they absolutely deserve it.  My panties remain blissfully untwisted.

It isn't a valid comparison because what it took to make this game is no where near what it takes to make a big budget movie. It takes all of a few seconds to realize this. Football is a terrible example because it is overpriced nonsense. Also again the price for a football team is much higher than the price for the budget of this game. Trust me on that.

[Daerog]

I think the football and video games comparison is a good example.

 

People don't have to pay thousands or millions of dollars for a football team. They just do a pick up game with neighbors or possibly see an unprofessional game at a much cheaper cost... if there is any cost for some of those situations...

 

People don't have to pay for DLC or big AAA games. They could play a PnP game or indie games that are thrown online. People could just buy RPG Maker games that other people make.

 

Football prices went up, football player contracts went up, and so on because it became a profitable business that prices were increased on over time and people still go to these things while owners spend ridiculous amounts of money on really stupid stuff like pools on top of stadiums or aquariums around the stadium.

 

People are complaining about what video games are becoming. It's becoming like everything else that is popular, marketable, and highly profitable.

 

 

People are willing to pay. Why not increase the price for more profit even if there are fewer customers? Games are big business now.

[Beren Von Ostwick]

It isn't a valid comparison because what it took to make this game is no where near what it takes to make a big budget movie. It takes all of a few seconds to realize this. Football is a terrible example because it is overpriced nonsense. Also again the price for a football team is much higher than the price for the budget of this game. Trust me on that.

 

I understand what you're saying, but I respectfully disagree.  I think the cost at the creation end is irrelevant as it has no/little bearing on how much I enjoy something.  One of my favorite games ever is a MUD.

[Arvaarad]

Let's put this into perspective, though.

Where I live, those DLCs are literally the price of 1 sandwich (freakin' yuppie sandwiches). In fact, I'd have a hard time buying a sandwich using the money I spent Jaws of Hakkon. A sandwich, no matter how unnecessarily fancy it is, gives me very fleeting satisfaction. For the same price I could get a whole DLC, with combat and story and dialogue? Sounds like a bargain to me.

I'd argue that both the DLCs and the base game are severely underpriced relative to the enjoyment I got out of them. The base game is just... well... more underpriced than the DLCs.

[SolNebula]

I realized with BW games if you wait a bit after they get released you can save some money on the base game purchase in case of Inquisition that got the definitive edition you basically pay the game full price with all the DLC included. If you think you don't get enough value for your money it's generally wise to wait till GOTY/definitive edition get released or the base game is significantly cheaper to compensate the DLC purchases that you have to do afterwards.

[SolNebula]

Let's put this into perspective, though.

Where I live, those DLCs are literally the price of 1 sandwich (freakin' yuppie sandwiches). In fact, I'd have a hard time buying a sandwich using the money I spent Jaws of Hakkon. A sandwich, no matter how unnecessarily fancy it is, gives me very fleeting satisfaction. For the same price I could get a whole DLC, with combat and story and dialogue? Sounds like a bargain to me.

I'd argue that both the DLCs and the base game are severely underpriced relative to the enjoyment I got out of them. The base game is just... well... more underpriced than the DLCs.

 

Out of curiosity where do you live? A 15 bucks sandwich is kind of expensive.

[DuskWanderer]

Then you get nonsense like Day-1 DLC and On-Disk DLC...

Is that necessarily a bad thing? Is the quality good? If they did it many times, I could see a problem, but one DLC that isn't finished before release?

[Toasted Llama]

Made your own, individual and completely autonomous decision to buy DLC and didn't like it?

 

Blame it on the publishers! Call it bad consumer practice! Call it unfair! Just flail your hands and blame someone higher up! It's always someone's higher up's fault.

 

I mean, you could totally make your own, individual and completely autonomous decision to NOT buy the DLC... Or wait for a price drop.... or wait for consumer reviews... or watch a couple of clips on youtube to see if the content is what you like...

 

Or, if hours are really how you value a product (I wonder why we got filler content...), ask how much time on average people played the DLCs before buying.

 

But ugh... That would require effort. *shiver*

[Arvaarad]

Out of curiosity where do you live? A 15 bucks sandwich is kind of expensive.

 

I grumble about it, but in my area it actually fits cost-of-living. For a long time, I lived in an area where restaurant food was too cheap, relative to cost-of-living. It was great on my end, but kind of sucky for people working in restaurants. In the area I live now, they get paid a wage that's closer to the median. I'm happier about that part of it, even if I selfishly wish I could eat out more often.