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[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

I am not comparing the games but rather the level of effort; CDPR's most recent patch, 1.10, is over 17 GB on PC, comprises over 600 changes, improvements, fixes, etc. and has notes spanning over 13 pages. Can we at least be honest that CDPR puts MUCH more effort into fixing their games than BW does, especially in the realm of patching and fixes. Even if you do not use the word effort, you would have to concede greater dedication, would you not?

 

I have been trying to figure out why CDPR is so much more dedicated? Is it because they just have one IP at the moment? better people? Polish pierogi? something else entirely?

 

Discuss...

[BabyPuncher]

Having large data files is as often a sign of sloppiness as dedication. '17 GB' doesn't mean anything.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Having large data files is as often a sign of sloppiness as dedication. '17 GB' doesn't mean anything.

Does over 600 improvements, fixes and corrections also mean nothing?

[LightningPoodle]

They don't have EA breathing down their necks...

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

They don't have EA breathing down their necks...

Probably the reason. Honestly, BW just leave and go for crowd funding instead...then they would be free.

[LightningPoodle]

Probably the reason. Honestly, BW just leave and go for crowd funding instead...then they would be free.

 

If they only had one IP going, I would agree. Unfortunately, they need more funding to build Dragon Age and Mass Effect, and now they've got the new IP in the works as well. Having your fan base fund 3 AAA games isn't going to work.

[BabyPuncher]

Does over 600 improvements, fixes and corrections also mean nothing?

 

Probably not. But it just depends what they are.

 

You do understand that they probably expect people to be playing their games a lot longer than BioWare does since they release free DLC. By this point, BioWare knows something like 90% of their consumer base are done with the game and won't touch it again.

[Al Foley]

I am not comparing the games but rather the level of effort; CDPR's most recent patch, 1.10, is over 17 GB on PC, comprises over 600 changes, improvements, fixes, etc. and has notes spanning over 13 pages. Can we at least be honest that CDPR puts MUCH more effort into fixing their games than BW does, especially in the realm of patching and fixes. Even if you do not use the word effort, you would have to concede greater dedication, would you not?

 

I have been trying to figure out why CDPR is so much more dedicated? Is it because they just have one IP at the moment? better people? Polish pierogi? something else entirely?

 

Discuss...

More dedication in fixing problems means there was more to fix perhaps? 

[Al Foley]

Probably not. But it just depends what they are.

 

You do understand that they probably expect people to be playing their games a lot longer than BioWare does since they release free DLC. By this point, BioWare knows something like 90% of their consumer base are done with the game and won't touch it again.

What are you basing this on?  A lot of people I know are running through the game again AND for the most part BioWare has also added the new Trial system and a lot of goodies with Trespasser which indicates they have every confidence in people still wanting to play their games. 

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

More dedication in fixing problems means there was more to fix perhaps? 

Hardly. Most games have tons of bugs; CDPR acknowledges this and attempts to fix it, Bethesda lets fan modders fix it for them and BW...does a little bit of something.

[Al Foley]

What is hard to judge is now both companies are using patches not just to fix problems, but add in features.  Patches aren't what they used to be. 

[ewauksonian]

What is hard to judge is now both companies are using patches not just to fix problems, but add in features.  Patches aren't what they used to be. 

This is a far point. The problem is (not with your statement),  some things are hard to define as either a fix or add on separately. Most items are obvious - some things fix, some things add. But others take on both aspects, sometimes with equal weight. 

 

Although I personally prefer fixes over add-ons when it comes to patches, I have little problems with add-ons.

[Al Foley]

This is a far point. The problem is (not with your statement),  some things are hard to define as either a fix or add on separately. Most items are obvious - some things fix, some things add. But others take on both aspects, sometimes with equal weight. 

 

Although I personally prefer fixes over add-ons when it comes to patches, I have little problems with add-ons.

I'm not sure I would complain either but honestly sometimes I wonder if CDProjekt Red should have done more then the 16 Free DLCs and made these DLC...but free ones...and same thing with BioWare that way the two concepts remain entirely seperate.  DLC adds on, patches fix.

[Blooddrunk1004]

CDPR will always be better than Bioware when it comes to patching, DLCs and overall customer support.

 

The way Bioware was selling out their games, by putting some companions as day 1 DLC was pathetic. Inquisition was a step in the right direction because they didn't cut any companion or storyline from the game like they did with DA2 and ME3 when it was released. I just hope this will continue with Andromeda and any future BW titles.

[Al Foley]

Question: This patch fix the issue with Skellige's most wanted?

[darkway1]

It's because CDProjectRed care about their product,it's their personal creation and they want to polish the game as much as possible,the DA team on the other hand probably dispersed into other EA/Bioware projects when DAI finished,it's not their franchise any more,Bioware doesn't push the buttons,EA does.

[Al Foley]

It's because CDProjectRed care about their product,it's their personal creation and they want to polish the game as much as possible,the DA team on the other hand probably dispersed into other EA/Bioware projects when DAI finished,it's not their franchise any more,Bioware doesn't push the buttons,EA does.

Then explain the massive improvements and differences in DA I now then when it was launched?  Many of them fan requested ad ons. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why is this in the Dragon Age: Inquisition forum when according to the OP's title has nothing to do with Dragon Age: Inquisition? It's not mentioned once in the OP other than the title which states it has nothing to do with DAI.

[llandwynwyn]

It's because CDPR had the resources to do so, while BW is dependent on EA.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Question: This patch fix the issue with Skellige's most wanted?

http://wpc.4d7d.edge...hangelog_en.pdf

 

Have a look. I am waiting for my new computer parts to arrive before playing it again so I have not kept up to date.

[Wahed89]

I think CDPR are the exception in this industry though, especially for a company releasing AAA titles. I'm not sure how I feel about a 17gb update it's a bit much all at once. Can we stagger it?

I'm happy with the improvements to DA though, and though Trespasser was their last DLC it would be nice to get a free add on with added missions to the base game.

[Donk]

Why is this in the Dragon Age: Inquisition forum when according to the OP's title has nothing to do with Dragon Age: Inquisition? It's not mentioned once in the OP other than the title which states it has nothing to do with DAI.

Because people like to rub it in.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Because people like to rub it in.

Maybe. I just wish I had access to your kangaroo.

[ArianaGBSA]

Technically Witcher 3 is a better game in everything from graphics to story and many other things. But they are very different games so preferences comes into play, like chosing the PC, having companions in a party and so on.

The thing with support I really think it is about EA. It is a matter of freedom x sold soul. CDPR can dedicate all the time to their little baby that they probably love more than anything (except their next game that is sure to be the best RPG the world have ever seen) while Bioware have a more "complicated" schedule as in completely controlled by EA. Bioware is in submission, their money and their time belong to EA, they do what they can with their limitations, but if you asked me if their emplyees would like to do better, I'd answer absolutely YES.

Bioware seems to be very passionate about their creations the thing is, and I'm pretty sure that even they do not realize, it is not theirs. Bioware is as free as a tevinter slave to do what they want. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they have 99~100% creative freedom but I highly doubt they have any freedom when it comes to time and money and time and money sometimes is the difference between the best game ever and the worst game possible.

[OdanUrr]

Why is this in the Dragon Age: Inquisition forum when according to the OP's title has nothing to do with Dragon Age: Inquisition? It's not mentioned once in the OP other than the title which states it has nothing to do with DAI.

 

Well, technically, it is related to Inquisition in the sense it's drawing a comparison but I agree this should probably be in Off-Topic.

 

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