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[Joxer]

They don't have EA breathing down their necks...

BW is EA.

If someone's breathing down their necks it's CEO or someone who's not into developing but decisionmaking.

 

And it's not just BW, for example EA's cash cow Sims 4 has dozens of bugs since the release still unfixed.

 

On the topic question why CDpr took another route - because they can and they have talented people who are capable of doing it:

EA lacks of talent among their employees to fix bugs and when it comes to postrelease polish, all EA studios are simply incompetent of doing it.

[leaguer of one]

Does over 600 improvements, fixes and corrections also mean nothing?

It means they sold a very glitchy game.

[Donk]

Maybe. I just wish I had access to your kangaroo.

Hello StarduskLP

Come to the country and get somebody to take you out roo hunting. Not only will it be fun but you will get your meat!

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Hello StarduskLP

Come to the country and get somebody to take you out roo hunting. Not only will it be fun but you will get your meat!

I have been to every continent on Earth save Antarctica and Australia. Australia is simply too far away. I could not stomach a 30 hour flight. I will have to important whatever kangaroo I can get.

[BabyPuncher]

What are you basing this on?  A lot of people I know are running through the game again AND for the most part BioWare has also added the new Trial system and a lot of goodies with Trespasser which indicates they have every confidence in people still wanting to play their games. 

 

No. It does not.

 

I saw a post from a staff member not long ago on this forum saying that having 25% of Inquisition players purchase Trespasser was an incredibly optimistic target.

 

You do understand how small the chunk of players that actually post on the forums are? The people 'you know' are not representative of much.

[Donk]

I have been to every continent on Earth save Antarctica and Australia. Australia is simply too far away. I could not stomach a 30 hour flight. I will have to important whatever kangaroo I can get.

30 hours? Screw that. Longest I've ever been on a flight is 40 minutes.

[Vegeta 77]

Because the witcher team put more effort and are just a better team then the DA team. And no i am not trying to start a DA vs witcher.

[Dieb]

Because people like to rub it in.

 

Maybe. I just wish I had access to your kangaroo.

 

Get a room, you two!

[Al Foley]

No. It does not.

 

I saw a post from a staff member not longer on this forum saying that having 25% of Inquisition players purchase Trespasser was an incredibly optimistic target.

 

You do understand how small the chunk of players that actually post on the forums are? The people 'you know' are not representative of much.

Indeed.  But based on the data I was looking at I thought they expected...more.  Now it looks like I was wrong.  

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

30 hours? Screw that. Longest I've ever been on a flight is 40 minutes.

Now you see the problem with travelling to the Penal Colony.

[Darvins]

I am not comparing the games but rather the level of effort; CDPR's most recent patch, 1.10, is over 17 GB on PC, comprises over 600 changes, improvements, fixes, etc. and has notes spanning over 13 pages. Can we at least be honest that CDPR puts MUCH more effort into fixing their games than BW does, especially in the realm of patching and fixes. Even if you do not use the word effort, you would have to concede greater dedication, would you not?

 

I have been trying to figure out why CDPR is so much more dedicated? Is it because they just have one IP at the moment? better people? Polish pierogi? something else entirely?

 

Discuss...

Size of the patch tells us nothing, it doesn't tell us the team is more dedicated or less dedicated, it doesn't tell us that the game was more broken or less broken at this point in time. A complicated problem could take hours of work to get to the bottom off, but be a small fix to patch, another problem could be easy to find but require a larger file space to fix. Of the two, the first would be the more dedicated work surely while the second looks bigger. 

 

Oh by the way the Witcher 3 Patch your cheering as a sign of dedication... you might want to do some reading on, as I found that it's not exactly a perfect Patch, it introduced a whole heap of New bugs to the game. If you have DLC items and are in the middle of a NG+ for example Do not get Patch 1.10 it is causing said items to vanish. 

 

'CDPR said: "Some of you have reported items and schematics disappearing after 1.10. The issue will apply to DLC items in New Game +. We are working on a fix and will roll it out as soon as possible. In the meantime please hold on to your saves from before the patch."

[Darvins]

Indeed.  But based on the data I was looking at I thought they expected...more.  Now it looks like I was wrong.  

 

DLC picks up at the end of a games life span are always small it's why the market moved from Expansions to DLC in the first place. Expansions did not sell, anywhere near as many of the games original sale targets because once someone has removed the game from their machine they are unlikely to reinstall it. By the time Trespasser came out, most people would have removed the game for new games that came out. DLC allows games companies to get stuff out sooner, the first DLC for Dragon Age dropped in a few months and would have had a much greater pick up rate, it would also have kept the game on peoples machines more for Descent and Trespasser increasing the number of people who got Trespasser.

[Donk]

Get a room, you two!

Lmao.

[Al Foley]

Its funny I think I got a scene between Triss and Geralt I never got before because of the patch.  

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Size of the patch tells us nothing, it doesn't tell us the team is more dedicated or less dedicated, it doesn't tell us that the game was more broken or less broken at this point in time. A complicated problem could take hours of work to get to the bottom off, but be a small fix to patch, another problem could be easy to find but require a larger file space to fix. Of the two, the first would be the more dedicated work surely while the second looks bigger. 

 

Oh by the way the Witcher 3 Patch your cheering as a sign of dedication... you might want to do some reading on, as I found that it's not exactly a perfect Patch, it introduced a whole heap of New bugs to the game. If you have DLC items and are in the middle of a NG+ for example Do not get Patch 1.10 it is causing said items to vanish. 

 

'CDPR said: "Some of you have reported items and schematics disappearing after 1.10. The issue will apply to DLC items in New Game +. We are working on a fix and will roll it out as soon as possible. In the meantime please hold on to your saves from before the patch."

Never said CDPR was perfect but rather they acknowledge the mistakes they make and try to fix them.

[katerinafm]

It's funny because for most other games I've seen that have had large patches, people claimed it was a sign of them shipping an unfinished game. Obviously that isn't true, but it's interesting to see how different it is when it comes to the witcher 3. 17 is larger than most games, it is a bit weird.

[Majestic Jazz]

It's funny because for most other games I've seen that have had large patches, people claimed it was a sign of them shipping an unfinished game. Obviously that isn't true, but it's interesting to see how different it is when it comes to the witcher 3. 17 is larger than most games, it is a bit weird.

That is because the patch is a prelude to the Hearts of Stone expansion which is 10-15 hours long which is larger than most games like Order 1866.

[diaspora2k5]

Does over 600 improvements, fixes and corrections also mean nothing?

It indicates there were 600 issues that needed to be addressed.

[katerinafm]

That is because the patch is a prelude to the Hearts of Stone expansion which is 10-15 hours long which is larger than most games like Order 1866.

 

But you have to buy the expansion to get it, so why that large a patch for the base game.

[IanPolaris]

Probably the reason. Honestly, BW just leave and go for crowd funding instead...then they would be free.

 

They can't.  Bioware ceased to exist as an independant company when EA bought out the majority of their shares.  There is no Bioware in the old sense any longer.  Bioware is as part of EA as my arm is a part of me. 

[In Exile]

Patching depends on a lot of things. It's an investment by the company in the product. It depends on how profitable the product is, and how important the product is to the company. TW3 is CDPR, from a game development standpoint. Bioware, at the end of the day, is just a sub-division of EA. It's a brand, as far as I'm aware, not even a subsidiary. So, ultimately, the ROI for EA vs. CDPR on patching is pretty different. That ignores things like how expensive it is to produce the content in Poland vs. Canada/US, which goes back to the proftability point. 

[In Exile]

I saw a post from a staff member not long ago on this forum saying that having 25% of Inquisition players purchase Trespasser was an incredibly optimistic target.

 

But that's misleading, because having 50% of Inquisition players finish is equally unrealistic. If 1/3 people who finish the game remain interested in it enough to buy/play DLC over a year later, that's a pretty strong result for the product. 

[diaspora2k5]

Most people in general don't even beat the games they buy.

[In Exile]

Most people in general don't even beat the games they buy.

 

A shocking number of people don't even play the games they buy. Using things like completion #s in the industry without that in mind always goes awry. 

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

A shocking number of people don't even play the games they buy. Using things like completion #s in the industry without that in mind always goes awry. 

Unfortunately I only played about 20% of Pillars of Eternity, so I am guilty as well but I wanted to make a corny joke about how BW is in Exile...get it...in Exile...?