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[Cute Nug]

It's Thedas. Sucking is kind of the Thedas thing.

 

Three games and it's clear mages, pimplars, nobles, seekers, the chantry, the qun, dwarven society, ancient elves, etc. all suck. And with DAI we can confirm that even grey wardens tend to suck.

 

Understandablely we might not have realized back in Origins that Alister being a sucky grey warden would suck but now we know and it's okay because it's just a Thedas thing.

 

If something, some group, or some person in Thedas doesn't currently suck a little then that is the best you hope for and can enjoy it.

 

I think it is probably Solas fault for creating the Veil that enhances suckification in Thedas.

 

Dorian is so used to the suck of Thedas that he can even justify slavery:

"Some slaves are treated poorly it's true, but do you honestly think inescapable poverty is better?"

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

 

That's the classical Bioware formula: here's a game filled with tragedy and drama... unless you're a completionist, in that case, enjoy your perfect golden ending.

 

I hate that: I'm rather completionist myself when it comes to RPGs, and I always felt that games with potentially tragic stories where doing all the side quests cancel these and reduce the whole plot into to dull power fantasy punish rather than reward my play-style

Which is why DA2 and ME3 are my favorite Bioware games: here perfect runs do deliver the drama and pain promised.

 

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I rather like that ending, especially if you select a mage Warden, because it basically means that there are Two Viviennes in Thedas   

 

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His heart's wish was depicted in the comics: what deep down he wanted was to be legitimized by Maric and enjoy the princely lifestyle while Cailan got to deal with the responsibilities of becoming the next king. Basically, what Alistair really wanted was Sebastian's life before his parents got fed up and sent him to the Chantry.

 

ME2 is similar. The personal quests in and of themselves are filled with drama.

 

Folks get so salty when their LI isn't physically attached at the hip at all times. Like brah have you never heard of a business conference?

I doubt most of the people who do that know what a healthy relationship is. Do you WANT your gf/bf to never give you space ever?
Cause that's not good.

 

This would be good advice except now we have Into the Abyss where's if you if you pick that you now have the choose between letting him die or letting Hawke die. That's not a good choice either.

Hard? Leave hawke to die the death he wants, duh.
Sides he might not even die.

[Ryzaki]

Hard? Leave hawke to die the death he wants, duh.
Sides he might not even die.

 

Why would I then let Fenris be the one heartbroken. How is that not difficult.

 

Also that might not even die could easily apply to Alistair.

[Aren]

 

 

Seriously, to hell with this guy, he's a limp weenie and twit with zero respect for the opposite sex. Always dead in my game, that's the only way I can possibly like him.

At the landsmeet is funny to see how Eamon doesn't care about him anymore if he doesn't become king,and Tegan the jewel of the family become more rude over the years,while Isolde is Isolde......and her son was more creepy than the OGB,what a lovely family

Seriously though after Ostagar i didn't like him anymore

he seemed more serious and responsible when he was with Duncan

[Nixou]

This would be good advice except now we have Into the Abyss where's if you if you pick that you now have the choose between letting him die or letting Hawke die. That's not a good choice either.

 

Yeah: how dare Bioware give players drama and dilemmas instead of nice straightforward stories where everything's fixed in the end?

[TobiTobsen]

This thread's topic is new and interesting.

[maia0407]

After all these years Alistair is still causing butthurt!

[Aren]

 

I thought Zevran was the one that sucked?

Because he cheated on the Warden back in DAII?

[Ryzaki]

Yeah: how dare Bioware give players drama and dilemmas instead of nice straightforward stories where everything's fixed in the end?

 

Mhmmm. Because dying from the blight was everything being fixed in the end?

 

Because he cheated on the Warden back in DAII?

 

Wat.

 

That was a bug. (Also it was even a bug in cases it shouldn't have been. Zev refusing sex when my warden died nearly 6 years ago was sad).

[ModernAcademic]

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Dorian is so used to the suck of Thedas that he can even justify slavery:

"Some slaves are treated poorly it's true, but do you honestly think inescapable poverty is better?"

 

I love Dorian on several levels, but this line of his is the one dark spot that tarnishes his otherwise luminous character.

As if making one evil seem less evil than it is by establishing som form of comparison to another evil, one that's familiar to the Inquisitor, would diminish the harm it does.

Slavery AND poverty are both evil. Both should be erradicated, period.

 

Inquisitor Greatly Disapproves, Dorian.

[BansheeOwnage]

inb4 hordes of raging landwhales coming to defend about their husbando

 

He was and will always be a boring character for smut self inserting females. 

 

[BansheeOwnage]

Why would I then let Fenris be the one heartbroken. How is that not difficult.

 

Also that might not even die could easily apply to Alistair.

When I have Alistair as a Warden, I leave Hawke in the fade because of what Flemeth said to her in DA2. So until proven otherwise, I will assume/headcanon she's alive. Weekes was Adamant (ha, pun) about the fact that we don't know she's dead for sure. Your first point is good, but my Hawke is forever alone, so that helped. Felt terrible for Varric though.

 

I love Dorian on several levels, but this line of his is the one dark spot that tarnishes his otherwise luminous character.

As if making one evil seem less evil than it is by establishing som form of comparison to another evil, one that's familiar to the Inquisitor, would diminish the harm it does.

Slavery AND poverty are both evil. Both should be erradicated, period.

 

Inquisitor Greatly Disapproves, Dorian.

Yeah. Bioware doesn't like to make any character 100% likeable. Though part of me thinks that they only added Dorian's slavery bit because he was "too" likeable, which would be dumb. I don't know.

[Nixou]

Mhmmm. Because dying from the blight was everything being fixed in the end?

 

 

That would have been a very valid point before the writers added more water to the HoF's Sue mill by sending them on a quest to cure the taint in their blood.

[Daerog]

HoF a sue... pffft, the HoF has nothing on Archon Hessarian, the true hero of all Thedas.

 

All hail Archon Hessarian, the Redeemed, the Anointed, and Greatest Thedosian Ever!

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

When I have Alistair as a Warden, I leave Hawke in the fade because of what Flemeth said to her in DA2. So until proven otherwise, I will assume/headcanon she's alive. Weekes was Adamant (ha, pun) about the fact that we don't know she's dead for sure. Your first point is good, but my Hawke is forever alone, so that helped. Felt terrible for Varric though.

 

Yeah. Bioware doesn't like to make any character 100% likeable. Though part of me thinks that they only added Dorian's slavery bit because he was "too" likeable, which would be dumb. I don't know.

Likable? Odd considering he's the worst character in DA:I.

[Daerog]

Dorian is the worst character? If we are just talking companions, I thought Iron Bull was the worst.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

Dorian is the worst character? If we are just talking companions, I thought Iron Bull was the worst.

Bull's a close second.

[BansheeOwnage]

Dorian is the worst character? If we are just talking companions, I thought Iron Bull was the worst.

I originally thought there wasn't much to Bull, but after reading a long post about him after Trespasser, I've changed my mind, although he's still not someone I'd want to hang out with much. I don't think there is much to Sera though, since she goes through no kind of character arc whatsoever. Even Boring-Blackwall does that. Vivienne has no arc either. They're my least favourite.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

I originally thought there wasn't much to Bull, but after reading a long post about him after Trespasser, I've changed my mind, although he's still not someone I'd want to hang out with much. I don't think there is much to Sera though, since she goes through no kind of character arc whatsoever. Even Boring-Blackwall does that. Vivienne has no arc either. They're my least favourite.

I've heard nothing but good things about Sera in tresspasser.
Unless you mean "Changed their life single handedly and have them wrapped around your little finger" as a character arc. I love how vivienne doesn't really change much.

[Jaison1986]

I've heard nothing but good things about Sera in tresspasser.
Unless you mean "Changed their life single handedly and have them wrapped around your little finger" as a character arc. I love how vivienne doesn't really change much.

 

She stops being jugdemental in Trespasser. She even tries to be nice to a Lavellan that romanced Solas or after she finds out about the truth of the elven gods. I think all companions were good by the end of the day, even if some had a shaky start. Minus Vivienne that is, she changed nothing and is the only one causing trouble instead of doing something honorable or productive.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

She stops being jugdemental in Trespasser. She even tries to be nice to a Lavellan that romanced Solas or after she finds out about the truth of the elven gods. I think all companions were good by the end of the day, even if some had a shaky start. Minus Vivienne that is, she changed nothing and is the only one causing trouble instead of doing something honorable or productive.

And what exactly do you consider "honorable or productive"?

[Ryzaki]

 

That would have been a very valid point before the writers added more water to the HoF's Sue mill by sending them on a quest to cure the taint in their blood.

 

 

Yeah that cure to keep that offscreen that we haven't seen the results of yet? That was to give them something to do (much like sending Hawke to Weissaput).

When I have Alistair as a Warden, I leave Hawke in the fade because of what Flemeth said to her in DA2. So until proven otherwise, I will assume/headcanon she's alive. Weekes was Adamant (ha, pun) about the fact that we don't know she's dead for sure. Your first point is good, but my Hawke is forever alone, so that helped. Felt terrible for Varric though.

 

Yeah. Bioware doesn't like to make any character 100% likeable. Though part of me thinks that they only added Dorian's slavery bit because he was "too" likeable, which would be dumb. I don't know.

 

Poor Hawke. Well I don't have any single Hawkes so that won't work for me :X Plus even in that case there's still the siblings left alive.

 

Nah makes sense Dorian would see slavery as acceptable if he grew around it. It's sadly natural.

[stop_him]

She stops being jugdemental in Trespasser. She even tries to be nice to a Lavellan that romanced Solas or after she finds out about the truth of the elven gods. I think all companions were good by the end of the day, even if some had a shaky start. Minus Vivienne that is, she changed nothing and is the only one causing trouble instead of doing something honorable or productive.

Thank God. Bioware fixed her by doing so.

[dragonflight288]

*reads OP, then backs out slowly*

[Nixou]

Yeah that cure to keep that offscreen that we haven't seen the results of yet? That was to give them something to do (much like sending Hawke to Weissaput).

 

 

Of course it was! What baffles me is that the writers don't want to bring back this character yet keep making new plot threads involving the Warden. They could have made a much simpler excuse: "The Warden Commander of Ferelden is in the Deep Roads, busy killing as many Darkspawn as possible so that no horde reaches the surface and joins Corypheus, you're welcome by the way": the character is offscreen, and no new plot thread is involved: it's just the Warden doing ordinary Warden business.